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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 12:42:58 PM
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coolfamily6
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The American Girls are books, Manda. Have you even read them?
But the whole topic of thisthread is not the books but the dolls associated with the books not the books right. The books are priced about the same as any other book but the dolls while owned privately by Pleasant Company therefore not mass produced were worth $95 are now mass produced by Mattel and IMHO not worth that kind of $$$.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 12:44:08 PM
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So again, do you think that rich kids who play with expensive dolls should only only hear stories of girls who are rich and have no troubles?
I'd never be able to buy one of the dolls for my own kids--we're too poor. But my kids love the books and the movies. We check them out from the library all the time. They like to look at the catalogues, but it's above our means. They are a higher end, quality doll, and yes, it's a rich kids' doll. But the stories are about kids in all sorts of situations. I didn't see this outcry over the Ruthie and Nellie dolls. I don't see what the difference is.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 1:05:51 PM
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So if rich kids should not play with dolls who are poor, then should white kids play with black dolls? Should healthy children not play with dolls in wheelchairs? Should kids who have good eyesight not play with dolls who wear glasses?
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 1:18:17 PM
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Isn't that what you are all basically saying, that rich kids should only play with dolls just like them?
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 1:26:50 PM
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No one is saying that rich kids shouldn't play with dolls that portray poor kids. The kids playing with the dolls isn't even the issue. The issue is the business practices of the company who chooses to sell a product depicting a lifestyle that is very hard and not very well shown, yet they are not stepping out to help those that are truly in that life...those that live the reality of that doll.
I believe someone posted a link that they do donate to charities?
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 1:32:15 PM
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So who decides that the company has "done enough"? They are a business, not a non-profit organizaton. The primary job of a business is to make a profit. When they make profits, they create jobs, and pay employees, who can then pay their bills and maybe even keep from becoming homeless themselves. In being a profitable company, they are, in effect, fighting homelessness.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 1:44:57 PM
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So who decides that the company has "done enough"? They are a business, not a non-profit organizaton. The primary job of a business is to make a profit. When they make profits, they create jobs, and pay employees, who can then pay their bills and maybe even keep from becoming homeless themselves. In being a profitable company, they are, in effect, fighting homelessness.
but as consumer I have a right to personally decide if the business practices of a company are high enough for ME to want to purchase their product. It is an individual choice, and still lends it's hand to the capital system of business.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 3:21:54 PM
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But the problem isn't with the books, it's with the doll. Not all of the dolls, just this one in particular.
But then why just this one? Why isn't there an cry over making money off of Addy? Maybe they should donate to the slavery restitution fund. Or how about Kit, whose father was unemployed? Maybe they should donate to the children of unemployed parents.
The thing that I don't think people are getting is that they didn' just sit down and say "lets create a homeless doll and sell her for $95." No - she is a character from a story line, that was NOT about homelessness. Gwen's homelessness is just a fact of her life, much like Julia's parents being divorced and Mia being an ice-skater.
Do I think it is sad that there is poverty in the world? Definitely, but how about all of the poverty in the shadow of the major TV networks. They make money off of their goods. How about all of the poverty in the shadow of Disney World? Whose to say that they have donated "enough" to charity? What is enough anyways? If you really want to get dicey - there are plenty of examples that we could go with.
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but as consumer I have a right to personally decide if the business practices of a company are high enough for ME to want to purchase their product. It is an individual choice, and still lends it's hand to the capital system of business.
Absolutely. Definitely. I think that as consumers, we should be careful about what companies we support. I can't help to think that this is a witch-hunt, though, against a big-bad company that dared to make money.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 4:38:08 PM
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So again, do you think that rich kids who play with expensive dolls should only only hear stories of girls who are rich and have no troubles?
I'd never be able to buy one of the dolls for my own kids--we're too poor. But my kids love the books and the movies. We check them out from the library all the time. They like to look at the catalogues, but it's above our means. They are a higher end, quality doll, and yes, it's a rich kids' doll. But the stories are about kids in all sorts of situations. I didn't see this outcry over the Ruthie and Nellie dolls. I don't see what the difference is.
No, I do not think that rich kids should play with or hear only stories of rich people. As already stated these stories are NOT about rich kids. That is not what this thread is about it is about people feeling that AG is making a buck off a situation but not doing anything to help that situation, for me anyway.
As far as affording the doll. We saved for a full year to buy DD that doll. It was her only Christmas gift: the doll. No outfit, no accessories etc. I bought the books that went with the doll used on eBay. She has since saved her own money to get a couple of other things also used on eBay. Most of her enjoyment of the AG has come from our church media center via the books and a lady at church who "loaned" her collection to the church to display for years.
She now has a second doll that was a gift from a friend it is from the Mattel era, a waste of money in my opinion. Not only in quality but because of their support of things that do not line up with our belief system: Planned Parenthood and NOW. These things came AFTER Pleasant Co. sold out to Mattel. As did the shift from mostly historical stuff to the more modern dolls you are seeing as well as the major merchandising.
My younger DD does not even know AG. There is another option that is faith based it is called A Life of Faith: http://www.alof.com/
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 4:47:22 PM
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Are you thinking about Life of Faith dolls? I just looked them up and was surprised that they are no longer selling them online. I remember looking at them before because of their historical ties, and if I remember correctly, they were just as expensive as the AG dolls.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 4:52:08 PM
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Are you thinking about Life of Faith dolls? I just looked them up and was surprised that they are no longer selling them online. I remember looking at them before because of their historical ties, and if I remember correctly, they were just as expensive as the AG dolls.
Yes, I edited the post. I am not sure about the cost because I never bought one.
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Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 5:54:34 PM
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But then why just this one?
because I don't know anything about those other dolls, and this thread is about this doll. If someone told me about those dolls I might not like their attitude about them either.
Thats what I was thinking.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/8/2009 8:22:19 PM
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yes, this thread is about a doll but in order to know the background you have to know about the books. The dolls are all based on books.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/9/2009 9:20:06 AM
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coolfamily6
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yes, this thread is about a doll but in order to know the background you have to know about the books. The dolls are all based on books.
There are people who buy these dolls for there daughters that never read the books they do not care about the story they only care about the "status" of being able to have a $100 doll, her accessories, visiting the stores, having tea etc. I on the other hand bought DD the doll because she wanted it after reading it books and falling in love with the character in the book.
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RE: Homeless American Girl doll, really??? - 10/9/2009 9:50:06 AM
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They are a business, they aren't obligated to donate money to any charity and yet they do. If they want to make a doll who is homeless then that is their business. I won't base where I buy something on how much money they donate(or don't donate) to charity.
When I shop at The Children's Place or Baby Gap I don't ask how much money they donate to needy children, why should it be different because it's a toy company?
But then, I think most boycotts are pretty stupid anyway.
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