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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 6:23:28 PM
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I'll see what happens, then. The problem I'm having is that I'm in a romantic relationship, and there's an ideal involved there. We've achieved the vision of the perfect relationship where we mean everything to each other. She's the most important person in my life and I'm the most important person in her life. We love each other more than life itself. It means so much to me to give her every bit of myself that I've got to the point where she's my everything. And, if I were to have to fill my heart with more of god than of her, then it would completely violate the perfect image of our love. Obliterate it completely.
I know some of you find me absolutely repulsive for even suggesting this, but I can't help it. It's the way I feel. I can't imagine being in my lover's arms without knowing that it's the one place in this world that means the most to me. I remember feeling something getting sucked out of my heart completely when I learned that I would have to put my lover second in my life after becoming a born again Christian.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 6:34:48 PM
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then it would completely violate the perfect image of our love. Obliterate it completely. How do you know it wouldn't increase the love between you?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 6:53:18 PM
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Maybe it would help increase our love. I'm talking about the meaning, though. The relationship wouldn't mean what it used to if it came second to god.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 6:54:14 PM
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I don't think you are repulsive. I think God is calling you and that you are seeking information and knowledge. Don't worry, we have all been there at some point, in some way.
As for your love for your girlfriend....look at it this way. When you realize and embrace and accept the love God has for you, your capacity for loving others, including God, will grow.
If you had one child, and then had a second, would your love for the first diminish with the arrival of the second? No, it wouldn't. When you add God into the equation of a Godly, loving relationship, that love can only grow. Especially when both participants are willing to put God first.
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Maybe it would help increase our love. I'm talking about the meaning, though. The relationship wouldn't mean what it used to if it came second to god.
You are right, it would change meaning. But that change is not a bad thing. It is a wonderful thing.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 7:32:18 PM
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Maybe it would help increase our love. I'm talking about the meaning, though. The relationship wouldn't mean what it used to if it came second to god.
You are right, it would change meaning. But that change is not a bad thing. It is a wonderful thing. I agree... your relationship is going to change with or without God. It probably has from when you first met each other.
I think what you need to realise is that God isn't out to destroy a couple's relationship with each other. There are few couples who have an easy life with no stress or struggle in it. For many Christians, it is their faith that has help them through the rough patches of their marriage.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 7:49:38 PM
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Oh, I'm well aware of that. I learned it a long time ago. The point of this thread is me talking from the imaginary perspective of myself being a born again christian. I want to get a feel for how I'll have to change my life if I choose to move towards that point. And I need answers.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/4/2009 7:57:05 PM
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I'll see what happens, then. The problem I'm having is that I'm in a romantic relationship, and there's an ideal involved there. We've achieved the vision of the perfect relationship where we mean everything to each other. She's the most important person in my life and I'm the most important person in her life. We love each other more than life itself. It means so much to me to give her every bit of myself that I've got to the point where she's my everything. And, if I were to have to fill my heart with more of god than of her, then it would completely violate the perfect image of our love. Obliterate it completely.
I know some of you find me absolutely repulsive for even suggesting this, but I can't help it. It's the way I feel. I can't imagine being in my lover's arms without knowing that it's the one place in this world that means the most to me. I remember feeling something getting sucked out of my heart completely when I learned that I would have to put my lover second in my life after becoming a born again Christian.
If anything stands before God and you it's an issue... And consider that apart from God the love you have for this special person really amounts to nothing... It's liken to a vapor... And sadly its in truth lacking... If you truly loved this person in the manner you speak of God would be first in your life since that is the best hope for a true lasting love with another. Your love for each other that is more valued that life itself isn't part of a plan that involves God, which means it's a really long term losing proposal...
There is no middle ground here... No deals with God can be made... He's quite clear it's all or nothing and you can't fool Him... You will one day stand before Him and some story of great love for you other will not suffice for an excuse for not loving God with all your heart...
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 12:12:58 AM
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Oh, I'm well aware of that. I learned it a long time ago. The point of this thread is me talking from the imaginary perspective of myself being a born again christian. I want to get a feel for how I'll have to change my life if I choose to move towards that point. And I need answers.
First we need to determine what love is from the prospective of the Scriptures. Then we can compare love for Adonai to love for another human being. Yeshua tells us, (Joh 15:13) "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." Now, if you are a woman, don't bother asking your husband if he will die for you. Any man with half a brain will say,"Yes, of course dear.", whether he would actually do that or not.
However, to be fair one must look at the other half of the equation. (Joh 15:14) "You are my friends if you do what I command." Now, if you are a woman this is the devotion one should have to the one on whom they depend. Now, a husband knows better than to say this also.
That being said, if one can accept these two principles then, Yeshua continues, (Joh 15:15) "I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you."
This is what Yeshua means when He say, (Joh 15:17) "This is my command: Love each other." And He can commands this because, as John tells us, (1Jo 4:19) "We love because he first loved us." How many of us can say our relationship with our spouse meets this standard. I would say not many, though some of us are reluctant to admit that. Paul acknowledges this, (Rom. 5:7-8) "For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, HaMeshiach died for us." As those with military background will attest, we are scarcely willing to needlessly die. However, under a good and wise commander some would be willing to die. However, who would volunteer to risk their life for that scum sucking, no good, traitor who would turn tail and run in the heat of battle. That is exactly what Yeshua did. He gave His life for us scumsucking cowards.
Now, no matter how dedicated our spouses are to us and our families, I dare say, there is no man or woman who is as faithful in looking out for our best interest than is Adonai Yeshua. This does not mean that Yeshua should come between spouses. I believe when the bride and bridegroom analogy is applied to the individual believer, this may very well happen. However, when we see the family and/or the community as a whole as the bride, united under Adonai Yeshua, then the proper balance can be achieved. The wife and husband are commited to one another according to the example set above and the family is dedicated to Adonai Yeshua as a unified entity.
Now, let's answer the question directly. What is more important, the commitment that each spouse has for the other, or the dedication that both share to Adonai Yeshua. The latter of course, because the first without the second creates seperation between the spouses, while the second, even without the first, will eventually result in the attainment of the first. Therefore, a shared dedication to Yeshua is more important than each spouse's commitment to the other spouse.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 12:50:44 AM
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The point of this thread is me talking from the imaginary perspective of myself being a born again christian. I want to get a feel for how I'll have to change my life if I choose to move towards that point. And I need answers.
I gather from your other posts that your concerned that Islam might be the "true" religion. You must then be aware that Allah also demands that you love him and his prophet, Muhammad, more than all others including family members.
Here's one key difference to "get a feel for":
The Qur'an says you must love Allah and his prophet Muhammad FIRST, then Allah will love you. You must earn Allah's love. In fact, killing a family member because they don't love Allah is one way of showing love for him. Loving Allah means you have to change your life for him. Love for Allah and his prophet comes from fear of hell fire.
The Bible says we choose to love God because He loved us FIRST. We don't have to earn God's love -- we just have to accept it. We aren't commanded to kill a family member if they choose not to love God -- just to pray for them. Loving God means God will change your life for you. Love for God comes out of His love for us -- not fear of hell fire.
Look inside your heart to find the answers to these questions: Did you have to earn the love of this girl out of fear of being tormented forever, or does your love for her grow out of her love for you? Did you change your life to love this girl, or did your life change because you love her? Which do you think is the true love? Who do you believe offers you true love for eternity -- Allah or God?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 4:30:31 AM
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Supposed to? Yes. Does your free will remain in tact? Again yes.
What does that mean?
I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior. I learn to love him. But, if even after I accept him I struggle and am unable to find it in my heart to love Jesus more than a certain family member who means the world to me, I end up in hell?
It means The Word tells you to love Him above all others. Putting that back into the context of the entire Word, it does NOT mean you HAVE to nor does it mean you will "go to hell" if you don't. It simply means The Word tells you to do it. Nothing more. You h ave the free will to place whatever importance upon what He commands that you choose. i can't make those decisions for you. Neither can anyone else on this forum.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 4:27:07 PM
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it does NOT mean you HAVE to nor does it mean you will "go to hell" if you don't.
Is that it, then? Is that the answer?
Because that's all I want now. No talking around the issue or vagueness. I'm willing to love the lord. There's no doubt about that. I just want a simple yes or no answer to this question: Will I go to hell if I fail to love the lord more than anything or anyone else in my life?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 4:33:41 PM
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The question has been answered; you just aren't understanding it.
NO...you will not go to hell JUST BECAUSE you love someone more than the L-rd.
You WILL go to hell if you refuse to accept Jesus Christ as your saviour.
Your salvation is not based on your works; it's based on your decision to follow Him.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 4:46:21 PM
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The question has been answered; you just aren't understanding it.
NO...you will not go to hell JUST BECAUSE you love someone more than the L-rd.
Oh, I've seen it answered and I understood it perfectly well when it was. I want to see how many people agree with it. If there's one thing I'm learning about christianity as I look into it, it's that the bible is an ambiguous thing no one seems to agree on. So, if only a couple people say that I can still find salvation while still loving another more than the lord, how do I know it's not one of those unsure things the Christian community seems to disagree on?
Is it a provable fact? That's my question.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 5:18:46 PM
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The question has been answered; you just aren't understanding it.
NO...you will not go to hell JUST BECAUSE you love someone more than the L-rd.
Oh, I've seen it answered and I understood it perfectly well when it was. I want to see how many people agree with it. If there's one thing I'm learning about christianity as I look into it, it's that the bible is an ambiguous thing no one seems to agree on. So, if only a couple people say that I can still find salvation while still loving another more than the lord, how do I know it's not one of those unsure things the Christian community seems to disagree on?
Is it a provable fact? That's my question.
The point is that an unsaved person cannot love God more than people. You cannot do what He asks you to do and tells you to do without His power. Without the indwelling Holy Spirit, the unbeliever is unable to please God, to do His will as a faith-response to His love. But when the Holy Spirit lives in you, you are a new creation, one which CAN love God far more than before ---> you can LOVE (action, not mere emotion) Him truly. And learning how to live out that kind of life is a life-long process.
I think it's harder to understand some of this stuff on the other side of salvation. I didn't -- before I got saved. But after I got saved, spiritual things that had boggled my mind finally began to make sense, even if I couldn't exactly articulate how they made sense. 'Cause it's God living in a person... who makes you spiritually understand the deep things of Him.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 5:42:02 PM
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it does NOT mean you HAVE to nor does it mean you will "go to hell" if you don't.
Is that it, then? Is that the answer?
Because that's all I want now. No talking around the issue or vagueness. I'm willing to love the lord. There's no doubt about that. I just want a simple yes or no answer to this question: Will I go to hell if I fail to love the lord more than anything or anyone else in my life?
That one thing will not get you a free ticket to hell. i trust Him to finish the good work He began in you and trust Him to reveal to you what you need to know about all this. You are an individual. He will relate to you as such.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 5:43:15 PM
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The question has been answered; you just aren't understanding it.
NO...you will not go to hell JUST BECAUSE you love someone more than the L-rd.
Oh, I've seen it answered and I understood it perfectly well when it was. I want to see how many people agree with it. If there's one thing I'm learning about christianity as I look into it, it's that the bible is an ambiguous thing no one seems to agree on. So, if only a couple people say that I can still find salvation while still loving another more than the lord, how do I know it's not one of those unsure things the Christian community seems to disagree on?
Is it a provable fact? That's my question.
Yes yes...Not y es it is a provable fact, cause it isn't but YES! He has you in position for Him to work in your life. That is way cool and an encouragement!
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 6:04:18 PM
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it does NOT mean you HAVE to nor does it mean you will "go to hell" if you don't.
Is that it, then? Is that the answer?
Because that's all I want now. No talking around the issue or vagueness. I'm willing to love the lord. There's no doubt about that. I just want a simple yes or no answer to this question: Will I go to hell if I fail to love the lord more than anything or anyone else in my life?
That one thing will not get you a free ticket to hell. i trust Him to finish the good work He began in you {Philippians 1:6} and trust Him to reveal to you what you need to know about all this. You are an individual. He will relate to you as such.
The ticket to hell is being unsaved. Jesus' blood covers all kinds of sins and all amounts of sins -- because He paid the penalty that our sinful nature earns: death.
Accept the gift. Acknowledge Him as Lord and Savior. And He does the changing of you.
I think if one is concerned about loving God more than people -- and wants to grow in the "how" of loving God (which involves loving people too)... then that may indeed be evidence of God's working in that person's life.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 9:16:10 PM
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I think it's harder to understand some of this stuff on the other side of salvation. I didn't -- before I got saved. But after I got saved, spiritual things that had boggled my mind finally began to make sense, even if I couldn't exactly articulate how they made sense. 'Cause it's God living in a person... who makes you spiritually understand the deep things of Him.
THIS!!!!!!
Also keep in mind...a person will ALWAYS let you down. ALWAYS. G-d won't. He can't.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/5/2009 10:53:35 PM
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Also keep in mind...a person will ALWAYS let you down. ALWAYS.
A few years ago, my sister said to me "I need you to give me 14 apples, because I can't divide 13 of them into four without cutting them." Right now, I'm debating whether that or the two sentences I've just quoted is the dumbest thing I've ever heard a human being say.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 1:13:31 AM
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it does NOT mean you HAVE to nor does it mean you will "go to hell" if you don't.
Is that it, then? Is that the answer?
No. I'm sorry that people are telling you that if you will just make a profession of faith, while having no intention of obeying what the Lord commands, you will be saved from hell. It's not true.
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Because that's all I want now. No talking around the issue or vagueness. I'm willing to love the lord. There's no doubt about that.
If you are willing to love the Lord, then you should be willing to obey the Lord. If you are not willing to obey the Lord, then you are not willing to love the Lord.
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I just want a simple yes or no answer to this question: Will I go to hell if I fail to love the lord more than anything or anyone else in my life?
If you made a sincere attempt but stumbled in this area and asked forgiveness, no.
If you intentionally disobeyed this command, yes. Disobedience is a manifestation of unbelief. All unbelievers will have their part in hell fire (Rev 21:8). The only way to be saved from hell fire is to repent.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 10:04:41 AM
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If you are willing to love the Lord, then you should be willing to obey the Lord. If you are not willing to obey the Lord, then you are not willing to love the Lord.
 If only it could be that simple, and that black and white. If only.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 10:29:21 AM
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If you are willing to love the Lord, then you should be willing to obey the Lord. If you are not willing to obey the Lord, then you are not willing to love the Lord.
If only it could be that simple, and that black and white. If only.
That's very true. That's why scripture tells us, "I can do all things through HIM who gives me strength."
We as humans don't have the strength to do a lot of things...that's why we ask Him for strength, to get us through things we can't do ourselves.
Now, we can choose to not utilise His strength and stumble around aimlessly, or we can choose to take Him at His word and accept the strength, and perserverence, He gives us...the choice is ours. G-d is more than willing to be there...we just have to make that step to ask Him.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 10:38:45 AM
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If you are willing to love the Lord, then you should be willing to obey the Lord. If you are not willing to obey the Lord, then you are not willing to love the Lord.
If only it could be that simple, and that black and white. If only.
It is that simple....that black and white.
We all agree, that you need to be born again in order to hit heaven. But, being born again has consequences. And, it is in those that other's will see the change that God makes on the inside.
To say, yeah, I love God...is not enough. Unless you really mean it. If you mean it, and you open your heart to God, He will change you. Those changes will allow you to love God more than others. To love those around you more. To minister to others (your "fruit").
It is in starting the process, making the first whole-hearted accpetance of God's salvation and forgiveness, that starts the journey. It is not some one time, ticket to heaven deal if that is the only reason you are making the claim.
Either you accept Jesus as your saviour and start that journey or you don't. The other stuff comes as you learn more and grow more in your relationship with Him.
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