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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:11:56 PM
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Ok, I understand now. My original reaction came because I thought you were saying that in order to love someone, you have to be their slave. If you aren't willing to submit to someone's will and be their slave, then you can't claim to love them. When that was said, I disagreed with it.
It makes sense now, though. So, basically, if you first choose to love the lord, he'll then change you and enslave you to a point where you're obedient to him and he can control you? That makes sense. It's impossible to love the lord without being a slave to him, because once you make the CHOICE to love him, he'll ALWAYS, as a rule, enslave you. So, the love and the slavery towards the lord go together. That sounds logical.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:20:18 PM
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So, basically, if you first choose to love the lord, he'll then change you and enslave you to a point where you're obedient to him and he can control you?
No. God does not "enslave" you or "control" you. We trust God and His perfect will and voluntarily commit to following His lead -- which is why we are called "bondservants". When we accept His gift of salvation, we owe Him a debt we cannot repay. So of our own free-will we choose to serve Him. We can choose not to serve Him at any time, but at our own risk.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:23:53 PM
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So, basically, if you first choose to love the lord, he'll then change you and enslave you to a point where you're obedient to him and he can control you? That makes sense.
That is incorrect thinking. When you chose to love the Lord, he will change you yes, and as you go along in your relationship with Him you will learn to trust him more and with that becomes obedience. for instance as you love him more church should become a priority because His word says so, rather you like going or not would be irrelevant because you would trust that he knows what He is doing.
As you go along in your walk with Christ and indwell His word in your heart you want to be obedient to him because you know that He has your back no matter what.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:29:42 PM
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I have to follow god and put him first in my life, submitting to his will. Servants are people who can choose to serve someone. If they don't make that choice, they still are given the possibility of living their lives in safe ways. It's different with god. I have the choice of serving him, or eternal torture. That's not a choice at all, as far as I'm concerned. If any Christians want to sugarcoat things and delude themselves into believing that they are merely 'serving' the lord, then that's their problem. I'll call it what it is, though. I don't have a choice. Subjecting myself to eternal torture isn't a choice at all. I'm a slave to god.
If any Christians feel better lying to themselves and saying that they are 'serving' the lord, then that's fine with them. I can't do that, though. I'm a slave. I'll know that for the rest of my life, but I'll at least know that I'm being truthful with myself.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:36:10 PM
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We've achieved the vision of the perfect relationship where we mean everything to each other. She's the most important person in my life and I'm the most important person in her life. We love each other more than life itself. It means so much to me to give her every bit of myself that I've got to the point where she's my everything. And, if I were to have to fill my heart with more of god than of her, then it would completely violate the perfect image of our love. Obliterate it completely. I wonder if you've ever been in love before you met this lady? If not, you can only imagine what it was like to love someone as much as you now love her. Right now, you can only imagine the relationship that a Christian has with God. You can't and won't be able to fully understand it unless you take that step and walk the Christian path ~ just as you couldn't imagine what it would be like to be as deeply in love as you are now.
I don't believe for an instant that by becoming a Christian you will 'violate the perfect image of your love'. Sadly, I'm not convinced that your 'vision' and 'perfect image' that you and this lady have built up is going to remain the same ~ it will change ~ and you may find cracks in it ~ could you live with that? Becoming a Christian will not cause those cracks to appear ~ but it may stop them spreading.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:38:28 PM
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have to follow god and put him first in my life, submitting to his will. Servants are people who can choose to serve someone. If they don't make that choice, they still are given the possibility of living their lives in safe ways. It's different with god. I have the choice of serving him, or eternal torture. That's not a choice at all, as far as I'm concerned. If any Christians want to sugarcoat things and delude themselves into believing that they are merely 'serving' the lord, then that's their problem. I'll call it what it is, though. I don't have a choice. Subjecting myself to eternal torture isn't a choice at all. I'm a slave to god.
There is a difference. Generally servants have a relationship with those they serve, slaves do not. If you are just "serving God" just to make the cut and you aren't doing it because you really want to follow Him and have a relationship with him, "enslaving" yourself to him isn't gonna get you in.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:40:26 PM
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I have to follow god and put him first in my life, submitting to his will. I am a Christian. I follow God. I try and put Him first in my life but I find it difficult. I try and submit to His will for me, but it's not always easy.
I do know that I'm far better off when I decide to put Him first and listen to His plans for me than I am when I try and figure my life out for myself. I choose to follow Him. He has got me through more pain in my life than I could have got through on my own. It's not easy ~ but it's better.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 12:48:07 PM
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Common Sense...as Christians, we strive to follow the example that Jesus left for us. He showed us over and over again that Godly leadership is not like that of a military or government bully with a big gun to your head. Jesus showed us the art of being a SERVANT LEADER. Jesus lead and taught through serving others. That is one major reason why He was treated the way He was once Jesus began His ministry. That is why the Jewish leaders of the time wanted him gone. One example of Jesus being a servant leader was when he washed the feet of his disciples. Take a look at the 4 gospels in the Bible....Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They will give you a great starting point.
God gives us choices, He has from the very beginning. We choose if we are going to accept his gift of salvation or not. We choose to follow His leading or not. As our relationship with Him grows, we will become more in tune to what He wants, and we will gladly follow. Or, struggle to follow. I have done that a lot in my own personal walk. But, I don't have any regrets regarding when I did follow His leading. I do have regrets from when I did not.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 1:11:41 PM
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Ok, I understand now. My original reaction came because I thought you were saying that in order to love someone, you have to be their slave. If you aren't willing to submit to someone's will and be their slave, then you can't claim to love them. When that was said, I disagreed with it.
It makes sense now, though. So, basically, if you first choose to love the lord, he'll then change you and enslave you to a point where you're obedient to him and he can control you? That makes sense. It's impossible to love the lord without being a slave to him, because once you make the CHOICE to love him, he'll ALWAYS, as a rule, enslave you. So, the love and the slavery towards the lord go together. That sounds logical.
Well, by that logic, God seems rather mean.
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What exactly in God's will is bad? Why would doing what He wants be so bad? Why would His changing you so that you both WANT to please Him (i.e., do His will) and have the ABILITY to do so, be such a bad thing?
Again... as I said upthread.... on the unbelieving side of the salvation dividing line, a whole lot about God and The Way (i.e., Christianity) doesn't make sense... b/c one is using human logic... and is operating in human priorities, not God's.
And... are you above God, so you can judge Him to be as mean as you portray Him to be?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 1:16:45 PM
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I have to follow god and put him first in my life, submitting to his will.
We don't have to, we want to -- we want to please Him out of His love for us and our love for Him. Do you have to be please your girlfriend or do you want to out of her love for you and your love for her?
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Servants are people who can choose to serve someone. If they don't make that choice, they still are given the possibility of living their lives in safe ways. It's different with god. I have the choice of serving him, or eternal torture. That's not a choice at all, as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, its different with God. He created you. All He wants is the relationship with you that He planned on when He created you. God is love -- not hate. As much as we've sinned against Him and strayed from Him, He still wants that relationship with us. He wants you back so bad that He sent part of Himself in the flesh to die for you so you don't have to. God offers you eternal life, not hell. He didn't have to give us a choice at all.
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If any Christians want to sugarcoat things and delude themselves into believing that they are merely 'serving' the lord, then that's their problem. I'll call it what it is, though.
It's understandable that this is all "foolishness" to you because you cannot understand what serving the Lord truly means. I can tell you that serving His will in my life has given me a better life than I could have ever had by following my own will. In fact, I'd probably be dead right now if not for my submitting to His will. Instead, I have a wonderful marriage and two beautiful children that He has blessed me with.
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I don't have a choice. Subjecting myself to eternal torture isn't a choice at all. I'm a slave to god.
We all have a choice -- and we only have it because He gave us the choice. God gets no thrill out of people going to hell. That is why He provided the only way you can be saved from eternal hell fire -- Jesus Christ. You can accept His sacrifice or not. If you do, you owe Him a debt you can't repay. All He asks of your gratitude is that you acknowledge He knows best and do your best to please Him.
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If any Christians feel better lying to themselves and saying that they are 'serving' the lord, then that's fine with them. I can't do that, though. I'm a slave. I'll know that for the rest of my life, but I'll at least know that I'm being truthful with myself.
Do you? Or are you listening to a voice that wants you to think this way.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 2:44:31 PM
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God offers you eternal life, not hell.
How, why, and by whom was hell created? Who sends people to hell and why do they send those people there?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 3:04:43 PM
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Hell is simply a place where God does not exist.
It's one thing for god to create a place to send those unable to connect with him. That I can understand. What I can't understand is this: why did god have to make the place so damn physically painful?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 3:13:22 PM
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Hell is simply a place where God does not exist.
It's one thing for god to create a place to send those unable to connect with him. That I can understand. What I can't understand is this: why did god have to make the place so damn physically painful?
Because being separated from God is not just a spiritual "pain." It effects a person's body, mind and spirit. That is why Jesus tells us to love God with all our minds, hearts and strength.
If God is good and there is no evil in Him, then Heaven is going to reflect that. If God is not in hell, that means no good can be there, only evil. Again, reflecting the opposite of heaven.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 5:57:27 PM
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Hell is simply a place where God does not exist.
why did god have to make the place so damn physically painful?
What is the source of your information about hell? You do know Dante's Inferno was a work of fiction?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 6:48:20 PM
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Hell is simply a place where God does not exist.
why did god have to make the place so damn physically painful?
What is the source of your information about hell? You do know Dante's Inferno was a work of fiction?
One sentence in the bible is enough to describe its horrors.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 6:51:09 PM
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So you know enough of the Bible to know that it describes the horrors of hell?
But you do not know enough of the Bible to know of God's love for us?
Curious.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 7:57:44 PM
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So you know enough of the Bible to know that it describes the horrors of hell?
But you do not know enough of the Bible to know of God's love for us?
Curious.
Oh, not at all  I'm fully aware that my knowledge of the bible is minimal at best. I was merely throwing out a statement and then waiting to see whether it would be corrected or confirmed.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 9:03:37 PM
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Hell is simply a place where God does not exist.
why did god have to make the place so damn physically painful?
What is the source of your information about hell? You do know Dante's Inferno was a work of fiction?
One sentence in the bible is enough to describe its horrors.
Can you provide one of these sentences in the Bible that describes the horror of the "physical pain" to which you are referring?
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/6/2009 9:26:54 PM
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Jesus said "If you love Me keep My Commandments", and He goes on to describe the ten commandments. He then goes on later to summarize the ten commandments by saying "Love God with all your heart, soul and mind" and "love your neighbour as yourself". That is the kind of love Jesus wants from us..So if we are able to do that, love of our families will be so much easier and better, as well as our love for others. (this also includes our enemies..who we are to pray for as well).
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/7/2009 2:00:19 AM
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Hell is part of the freedom God gives us all -- the freedom to reject Him and live and die without Him. If that's the call a person makes in life, then why would a God who respects your will veto that choice in the hereafter? That wouldn't make any sense. If you want to spend eternity without Him, you can. It sucks, and it hurts (in a metaphysical post-body-life sense) but it's your call.
Even Christians retain their freedom to reject God, to delay His work, to barr Him from certain aspects of their life. They should not do so, and if they do, they will end up living with their own fall-out, as well as the responsibility for what they avoided -- but those things do not, in and of themselves, void the relationship that we gain from Jesus. We are still acceptable to God based on Jesus' taking our sins on Himself in His body to the cross and the grave. If we don't want to live the luscious joy of His resurrection, we don't have to... but we want to. Once you know Jesus and His love, He's a hard guy not to trust. You were designed to seek perfection, revel in it, and find life... so it's no wonder you are seeking to find it or build it or whatever might work. Jesus works.
If you prefer the perfect idolatry of making human romance your ultimate good, then I suppose you will have the memory of the pleasures of human romance to comfort you in the pain you endure because you turned your worship that way, instead of Godward. God's not going to drag you away from your romance, whether you become a Christian or not. He's going to let you play it out.
You can be a faithless believer who struggles against God and survives to regret it (in heaven, or as you come around towards true life here) or you can be a happy idolater and see how that looks once your life consists of only spiritual realities without the thin topping of powdered sugar. But you can't say nobody warned you.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/12/2009 6:24:58 PM
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"Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, daughter, or spouse?"
Love the Lord more than a son, daughter, or spouse, but,
Love the spouse, daughter, and son, no less than the Lord.
In Messiah. Arley
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/15/2009 1:50:11 PM
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So, basically, if you first choose to love the lord, he'll then change you and enslave you to a point where you're obedient to him and he can control you? That makes sense. It's impossible to love the lord without being a slave to him, because once you make the CHOICE to love him, he'll ALWAYS, as a rule, enslave you. So, the love and the slavery towards the lord go together. That sounds logical.
Wrong.
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if you first choose to love the lord, he'll then change you and enslave you to a point where you're obedient to him and he can control you?
You can't choose to love the Lord first. It's impossible. The bible says, "We love because he first loved us." (1 John 4:19)
God loved us first long before we ever loved him.
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8
Salvation is not a result of us loving God. It is a result of God loving us when we did not love him.
The question is not, "will you love God?" The question is, "Are you a sinner in need of a Savior?"
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
We have all sinned. We stand condemned before God. That includes you. Have you ever lied? Have you ever acted selfishly? You need a Savior who can take care of your sin problem. Your fiance can't be everything for you because she cannot fix your sin problem. You can't do it for her either.
"...The wages of sin is death..." Romans 6:23a
That's eternal death. That's complete separation from God. That's "no heaven for you" death. We are all destined to hell because of our sin.
"God demonstrates His own love for us, in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us!" Romans 5:8,
"...But the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23b
When Jesus died on the cross He took care of your sin problem. He took your punishment for your sin. He did this long before you were ever born--2000 years before you were born. He died for your sins because He loves you.
So, what do you have to do to eliminate your sin problem?
"Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved!" Romans 10:13
"...If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." Romans 10:9,10
You ask Jesus to save you from your sin. You believe that He died for your sin. You believe that your sin is forgiven because Jesus paid the price.
That's how you get saved. That's how you become born again.
Once you are born again, Jesus will begin to change your heart towards Him. Once you are born again you will begin to love Jesus more and more. You will also discover that you will love your fiance more. You will love everybody more. You will love Jesus with all of your being. You will also love your fiance/wife with all of your being. You will love your children with all of your being. Love is an amazing thing. God is love.
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RE: Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, dau... - 10/15/2009 5:41:01 PM
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Am I supposed to love the lord more than a son, daughter, or spouse?
Let's look what Jesus says about it.
Luke 14:25-27 Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: 26"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple.
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