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unsaved husband or??? - 10/4/2009 9:14:11 PM   
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My husband says he is a Christian and has given his life to Christ. I realize that it is not my job to judge his salvation. I have gone through dry spills and even rebellion and I understand that happens to most of us, but he has always been this way now for over 15 years so I am wondering if he is truly saved.

Most of the time we go to church together and I am thankful that he goes even though I know he doesn't really want to and has said so. When I go sometimes (not always of course) I get all fired up and passionate about so many different things and church inspires me to change and be a better person. Sometimes I get really excited about a message and want to talk to my husband about it, but he seems to have no interest or zeal. I want to talk to him about how can we apply this to our lives but he remains silent or looks at me like I'm nuts. He does not seem "affected" or "transformed". I feel so very alone as I want so badly to share this level of spiritual intimacy, but it is obvious he does not have the same zeal and I feel so alone when I try to share. We never pray together and it hurts me deeply that we are missing this intimacy.

I am a very passionate person so it is hard to live with someone who has no passion for much of anything. He gets excited about politics and football, so I know he is capable. Than I think maybe women are just more emotional than men, but that can't be true because many passionate speakers are men.

How should I deal with this? I haven't prayed for his salvation because he says he is saved, but maybe I should?? Thoughts?
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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/4/2009 11:21:46 PM   
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I highly recommend the book, "The Power of a Praying Wife" by Stormie Omartian. It gives direction in praying for husbands and their walk with the Lord.
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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/4/2009 11:58:13 PM   
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Hi Crazemom~
I certainly would not say your husband is unsaved, especially if he professes Christ. What I would consider is that maybe he is an babe (immature) Christian that lacks understanding.

There are several things you can do, like Szaftoo recommended is reading the Power of a praying wife, also Timothy LaHaye has a book called: I love you, But why are we so different?

My husband is not zealous for our Lord and what I have done is, take his hand and simply state, "We really need to pray about this together!" It is uncomfortable for him, because he wasn't raised in the same denomination.

So that is the other thing you need to consider is how he was raised. Is he new to Christianity in this level? Or has he been raised to the point he believes he doesn't need to be where you are?

My husband was raised a Christian, went to private Christian school, taught the bible at home, yet lacks that zeal that I have to serve the Lord.

They only thing you can do is be submissive to the Lord, continue to display His love to your husband and be prayerful.

Display Christ in your daily living and whatever you do, do not judge him.

Find some like-minded girlfriends to share your joys and zeal of the Lord with. Pray for your husband and allow the Lord to deal with his heart, because you can not change it.

Appreciate and accept your husband where he is at at this moment of his life. Think of the good things he does for you, to help you from becoming frustrated.

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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/5/2009 3:43:15 PM   
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I'm not saying that you do this but it might be food for thought.

There is a situation in my close family where the husband says he is a christian, but is kind of the same as your husband...goes to church, but is not passionate, not zealous, doesn't want to discuss things etc etc. The wife on the other hand, is as keen as anything, always wants to discuss stuff, apply it to their lives etc.

In their case there is a reason things are this way. The wife criticizes the husband for not reading the Bible enough, for being keener on sports than the Bible, for not being the spiritual leader...he is well aware that she thinks he's a failure as a man of God and as a husband. She may not say that in so many words, but that is the message that comes across in the way that she speaks to him. She wants to discuss sermons, but imo it's to try and force him to be more spiritual...she won't sit with him in the evenings and just relax, or watch a DVD with him, and just be a couple, because doing so is not *spiritual*, and she's a spiritual woman don't you know...she's not into the stuff her husband is into, because it's not spiritual enough for her...again, makes the husband feel useless. So why, with pressure like that, would he ever want to be spiritual and study his Bible? My dh says if I spoke to him the same way, and acted the same way around him, like I was spiritual and he was not, it'd drive him to never pick up his Bible again!

I read an article the other day on this subject, and just to quote a part of it, 'how can a husband soar before Almighty God when he can't even please his wife?'

I'm not saying that you do all this...but please, if there's anything that gives you food for thought, consider it seriously. A man's power and enthusiasm for something can be robbed by a wife who pressures him, or tries to make him talk about things, especially if the end result of doing so makes him feel like a failure.

Men often need encouragement - not nagging them to be more spiritual, but truly being appreciated for the things that they do get right, and do for us out of their love for us. And the rest will follow. If the God that we profess to believe in, and the Christianity we claim to follow, makes us a nicer, more caring, more loving person, shown in our actions (and not just words) towards our husbands, then we are believable as a spiritual person, but if our Christianity just leads us to look down on our husbands for not being spiritual enough, and to be critical of everything they do, then what we do and what we say are two different things, and that is hypocritical and will put anyone off. True spirituality begins in our home relationships, not in our words, or in how well we can discuss God with someone else.

Again, I'm not judging, I do not know your entire situation, but what you said kind of hits close to home because it's my parents I'm talking about, and I hate to see my dad so powerless to be a man of God, because of the way my mum has been towards him over the years, all in the name of 'Christianity'. He used to be keen but the keenness has been sucked out of him over the years and it pains me to see it.

Anyway, like I said, if it doesn't apply to you, don't take it to heart. But if it does, please think about it and make a concerted effort to appreciate your man, and you never know how things will change.

God bless...

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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/5/2009 3:57:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: northstar

I'm not saying that you do this but it might be food for thought.

There is a situation in my close family where the husband says he is a christian, but is kind of the same as your husband...goes to church, but is not passionate, not zealous, doesn't want to discuss things etc etc. The wife on the other hand, is as keen as anything, always wants to discuss stuff, apply it to their lives etc.

In their case there is a reason things are this way. The wife criticizes the husband for not reading the Bible enough, for being keener on sports than the Bible, for not being the spiritual leader...he is well aware that she thinks he's a failure as a man of God and as a husband. She may not say that in so many words, but that is the message that comes across in the way that she speaks to him. She wants to discuss sermons, but imo it's to try and force him to be more spiritual...she won't sit with him in the evenings and just relax, or watch a DVD with him, and just be a couple, because doing so is not *spiritual*, and she's a spiritual woman don't you know...she's not into the stuff her husband is into, because it's not spiritual enough for her...again, makes the husband feel useless. So why, with pressure like that, would he ever want to be spiritual and study his Bible? My dh says if I spoke to him the same way, and acted the same way around him, like I was spiritual and he was not, it'd drive him to never pick up his Bible again!

I read an article the other day on this subject, and just to quote a part of it, 'how can a husband soar before Almighty God when he can't even please his wife?'

I'm not saying that you do all this...but please, if there's anything that gives you food for thought, consider it seriously. A man's power and enthusiasm for something can be robbed by a wife who pressures him, or tries to make him talk about things, especially if the end result of doing so makes him feel like a failure.

Men often need encouragement - not nagging them to be more spiritual, but truly being appreciated for the things that they do get right, and do for us out of their love for us. And the rest will follow. If the God that we profess to believe in, and the Christianity we claim to follow, makes us a nicer, more caring, more loving person, shown in our actions (and not just words) towards our husbands, then we are believable as a spiritual person, but if our Christianity just leads us to look down on our husbands for not being spiritual enough, and to be critical of everything they do, then what we do and what we say are two different things, and that is hypocritical and will put anyone off. True spirituality begins in our home relationships, not in our words, or in how well we can discuss God with someone else.

Again, I'm not judging, I do not know your entire situation, but what you said kind of hits close to home because it's my parents I'm talking about, and I hate to see my dad so powerless to be a man of God, because of the way my mum has been towards him over the years, all in the name of 'Christianity'. He used to be keen but the keenness has been sucked out of him over the years and it pains me to see it.

Anyway, like I said, if it doesn't apply to you, don't take it to heart. But if it does, please think about it and make a concerted effort to appreciate your man, and you never know how things will change.

God bless...

Northstar~
This is great! And so true when spouses start to condemn and judge their spouses, it only leads to oppression.Your mum sounds a bit legalist, but My heart feels for your dad in his circumstance, has you mum even consider that his actions are revealing Christ more?
For in Our suffering, we allow Christ to work through us and He is strong when we are weak.

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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/5/2009 5:44:05 PM   
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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/6/2009 7:18:18 AM   
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My situation is exactly the opposite as yours. I have a lot of passion in everything that i do. However my wife doesn't outwardly express the passion as much. From my own marriage, it frustrated me to no end because i wanted my wife to walk with me and not be a teacher, student relationship. But you know what I've been shown. God is bigger than both of us. HE has shown me to pray specifically for what she needs. I prayed for her to seek and HIM and now she is despite not wanting to , reading HIS word everyday. I prayed for women to come into her life to support and encourage and console her and now HE is allowing that to happen. I had to give up what I thought should happen and allow God to work. God is in control and HIS expectations are the only ones that matter. Give up your expectations and have faith that HE is in control and pray specifically for what HE desires your marriage to be. Then sit back and watch HIM work in your marriage.
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RE: unsaved husband or??? - 10/7/2009 10:48:03 PM   
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I agree with a lot of what Northstar has said. Many women do make their husband's feel inferior spiritually by trying to be their Holy Spirit. I have been guilty of this at times, o.k. many times. But I also do not think that passion can be easily oppressed. I really really don't like sports or politics and he knows it, but it doesn't keep him from watching them or being passionate about them. Most of the time when I share with him it is about a personal conviction I am having and not to point the finger or to show how smart I am. It's just that sometimes I am just bubbling over and want to share.

But Northstar did make a valid concern for us all to heed to and that is not to be our husband's Holy Spirit. We could all use someone to share our passions with and I guess that's where a good friend can come in if it's not our husband and we can "win them over without a word".
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