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Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances?


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Can attend dance or prom
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Can not attend dances but will allow Prom
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Can not attend dances or Prom
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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 12:45:19 PM   
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I can understand making a choice based on your own family convictions and your own children. Not sure about categorizing the rest of us who make a different choice.


Wow kinda took the broad-brush in this response. I was not categorizing. People need to make the best choice for their situation. As a parent who "chose" to send his son to a private all boys school I see the importance of the role dances play in his natural maturity. I had the experiences of going to both public and private Christian schools for High School and I have friends that were home schooled. Each group contains individuals who have different socialization needs that are evident but not as a result of how they were educated. I believe the "concern" of dances on this topic is what can happen what will they hear and how will they behave. By the time a Christian child is in High school I don't think going to a dance will do any harm and by having a child already in a more social situation (in school) they will be able to represent themselves and Christ accordingly.
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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 12:52:34 PM   
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My point was, school dances as we know them are a relatively recent and entirely cultural thing. They are not a necessary part of growing up, but part of the American (or British, or whatever) experience, and a person isn't going to devastate their children's entire life and make them unable to relate to other people by choosing not to partake in a particular cultural activity.


I guess you need to define recent. To my understanding school dances have been around for over 50 years at least. In other cultures (outside of the US) there are other social events like the Quinceañera, that include dancing as well. High schools also have pep rallies, bonfires and other activities where socialization is encouraged. Maybe it's the dancing aspect that draws the negative replies because of how conservative Christians view this activity as a negative. (Footloose the movie comes to mind).
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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 12:54:02 PM   
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I don't normally post in this folder, but I saw the thread title and it reminded me of something that Mrs. K showed me from the Dr. Phil show. I don't know how widespread this behavior is, but I was absolutely flabbergasted (and I do not flabbergast easily).

The subject of the show was "Teen Sex Trends". The speaker is a teacher who was shocked by what she found as a chaperone at the prom. This could scare the dickens out of a parent.

Teen prom behavior

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:07:58 PM   
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Thank you for adding your experiences/opinion, Lisa. I was wondering why homeschoolers automatically had to be excluded from going to dances.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:10:41 PM   
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My point was, school dances as we know them are a relatively recent and entirely cultural thing. They are not a necessary part of growing up, but part of the American (or British, or whatever) experience, and a person isn't going to devastate their children's entire life and make them unable to relate to other people by choosing not to partake in a particular cultural activity.


I guess you need to define recent. To my understanding school dances have been around for over 50 years at least.


If you read certain classics like Pride and Prejudice, then you'd see youngsters in their early to mid teens going to dances, although those included adults as well. Knowing how to dance used to be much more important then it is now, and I mean real dancing, not bump and grind. I think proper partner dancing can actually be a wonderful thing for any youngster to learn. dH and I took several classes together while we were in college.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:10:56 PM   
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You're welcome. I think it's something that homeschool moms assume they won't have to deal with, but it's not necessarily true.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:18:13 PM   
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I homeschooled some so I didnt have a lot of opportunities for school dances. I missed prom. WHen I was in school I wasnt allowed to go to homecoming. I did go to some 4-H dances since they were at camps and away events so parents couldnt not allow me to go (FWIW, I wasnt breaking any house rules by going or anything, I could go because I was there). There was some inappropriate dancing going on by a few, but the majority of it was perfectly find. So, that being said, I will allow my children to attend dances. Dances themselves arent inherently "bad" and anything bad that they would be doing at a dance they have the same chances of doing it any other time. As long as the child is taught boundaries and what is appropriate I dont see an issue.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:24:57 PM   
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Wow kinda took the broad-brush in this response. I was not categorizing. People need to make the best choice for their situation.


You said, very broadly, that going to dances is a necessary part of learning to socialize.

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I voted yes. School dances are a part of learning in that kids need to understand how to socialize.


If you want to clarify that you don't feel it is necessary for all kids in order to be properly socialized, that's fine with me. But your statement as it was was putting everyone else in a category of not providing their children with an "essential" part of learning. I did not *need* to attend dances in order to learn to socialize.

And by recent, I meant in the history of humanity.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:25:59 PM   
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I don't normally post in this folder, but I saw the thread title and it reminded me of something that Mrs. K showed me from the Dr. Phil show. I don't know how widespread this behavior is, but I was absolutely flabbergasted (and I do not flabbergast easily).

The subject of the show was "Teen Sex Trends". The speaker is a teacher who was shocked by what she found as a chaperone at the prom. This could scare the dickens out of a parent.

Teen prom behavior



While I think these trends are true overall. I've seen them, researched them, etc. They don't have to be, we can teach our children to change that that trend to stand for something different.

We do not have to paint all teens with a broad brush. I know a lot of teens that aren't out there going to prom just to have sex, get high or drunk etc. There are young adults in our SS class that went to dances in high school and prom and stayed pure until their wedding night.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:41:39 PM   
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We do not have to paint all teens with a broad brush. I know a lot of teens that aren't out there going to prom just to have sex, get high or drunk etc. There are young adults in our SS class that went to dances in high school and prom and stayed pure until their wedding night.


That is very true.

But, a parent may decide that participating in activities where there is a lot of that behavior going on, or a lot of talk about it is not necessary for their teen.

Or, a teen may be so disgusted and put off by the garbage surrounding the event that he or she doesn't feel like sifting through it for the good stuff is even worthwhile. That teen might feel there are better things to do with their time. That would be me.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:44:52 PM   
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Seems to me like there is a socialization chip perched on a few shoulders. If handled properly, school dances can be a very important socialization exercise. They can teach a lesson in extending an invitation and graciously accepting or denying an invitation. They can teach a lesson in planning for a special event, which includes any niceties that are appropriate, like buying flowers, arranging for transportation, communicating with parents, choosing clothing, etc. It is an opportunity for parents to discuss behavior that is appropriate in a public setting, what to do if someone asks you to dance, what to do if someone doesn't ask you to dance; proms might have a receiving line, which most teens haven't had to navigate on their own.

I can name off other things, too, that can be gained. As far back as the 1700s it was very important to learn to dance and to learn to conduct oneself at a dance. I personally think in recent years there has been a trend away from sending kids to dancing school (or cotillion) and those social skills have been lost.
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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:55:24 PM   
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We do not have to paint all teens with a broad brush. I know a lot of teens that aren't out there going to prom just to have sex, get high or drunk etc. There are young adults in our SS class that went to dances in high school and prom and stayed pure until their wedding night.


That is very true.

But, a parent may decide that participating in activities where there is a lot of that behavior going on, or a lot of talk about it is not necessary for their teen.

Or, a teen may be so disgusted and put off by the garbage surrounding the event that he or she doesn't feel like sifting through it for the good stuff is even worthwhile. That teen might feel there are better things to do with their time. That would be me.


Again, Capp, we're on the same page. DD's in high school and doesn't do dances. I just hate to see teens all painted as drinking sex crazed kids. I see good teens Christian and non Christian (we're working with them) every day but they get lumped in with the ones that are out doing these things and it is an up hill battle for them. Even in our youth group these girls that want to have a bible study were called were a clique because they went to a room to do bible study together and other girls we bothered by that. Sorry, I am rambling....

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 1:55:36 PM   
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I can name off other things, too, that can be gained. As far back as the 1700s it was very important to learn to dance and to learn to conduct oneself at a dance. I personally think in recent years there has been a trend away from sending kids to dancing school (or cotillion) and those social skills have been lost.


I agree with you. While I think that basic good manners must be taught at home, there can be a real place for perfecting the social niceties needed for a formal, social event. It's a little sad to see some of these things slipping away.

Dance classes at my university were quite cheap and lots of fun.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 2:23:23 PM   
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Or, a teen may be so disgusted and put off by the garbage surrounding the event that he or she doesn't feel like sifting through it for the good stuff is even worthwhile. That teen might feel there are better things to do with their time.


I cannot speak to your experiences but dances I have attended might have had loud music and some pretty awful cardboard pizza but I would not use the word garbage. Sometimes I feel that it is the misunderstanding or the generalization of "secular events" being filled with filth. When in fact these events are pretty well supervised. I also think non-saved teens will police out those that can ruin the event by acting in a manner that is disrespectful. I graduated from a Christian high school that did not have a prom, they had a Senior banquet. Approximately 9 months after graduation one of my classmates was a mom, three of my classmates needed to attend sobriety classes because they were caught driving with an open container. Its not the event, it's those attending.
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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 3:23:43 PM   
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I would say it depends....

On the child, on the venue, on the level of chaperoning and on whether or not the child would welcome their parent walking in at ANY time to see how it's going.

Personally....I chose to stay away from Proms and homecoming dances...where I grew up they were nothing more than an excuse to sneak some booze and behave badly. There were "proper" dances where that sort of thing didn't happen..but they were the kind where FAMILIES attended together or were at weddings, sweet 16's,etc.

So for me it isn't a blanket yes or no for dances...but pretty much for the Prom and homecoming...because they aren't any better here than they were where I grew up...and the girls dress....well....some walkers of the street are more modestly dressed.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 4:46:25 PM   
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They can teach a lesson in extending an invitation and graciously accepting or denying an invitation. They can teach a lesson in planning for a special event, which includes any niceties that are appropriate, like buying flowers, arranging for transportation, communicating with parents, choosing clothing, etc. It is an opportunity for parents to discuss behavior that is appropriate in a public setting, what to do if someone asks you to dance, what to do if someone doesn't ask you to dance; proms might have a receiving line, which most teens haven't had to navigate on their own.


And all of these things can be learned elsewhere, as well.

It doesn't matter to me what other parents do. It does matter to me if other parents imply that unless my kids go to school dances, they will be lacking in some vital social skill.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 4:51:33 PM   
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Or, a teen may be so disgusted and put off by the garbage surrounding the event that he or she doesn't feel like sifting through it for the good stuff is even worthwhile. That teen might feel there are better things to do with their time.


I cannot speak to your experiences but dances I have attended might have had loud music and some pretty awful cardboard pizza but I would not use the word garbage. Sometimes I feel that it is the misunderstanding or the generalization of "secular events" being filled with filth. When in fact these events are pretty well supervised. I also think non-saved teens will police out those that can ruin the event by acting in a manner that is disrespectful. I graduated from a Christian high school that did not have a prom, they had a Senior banquet. Approximately 9 months after graduation one of my classmates was a mom, three of my classmates needed to attend sobriety classes because they were caught driving with an open container. Its not the event, it's those attending.



AslansChild,
I think a lot depends on geography, demographics, the school district, the school itself, parent involvement etc. The middle school DD attended had well chaperoned dances (descibed above I won't repeat), we let her go in 8th grade because she was mature enough.

She is now in a public magnet/IB high school. The dances are not as well supervised. There is A LOT of the bumping/grinding dancing, horrible music with lyrics that would make my face red, that DD would not listen to if she was given the choice. She doesn't want to go to the dances which is great because she is not allowed to go. This may change when she is a senior for prom if I am allowed to chaperone. I have been allowed to be on the PTSA board when is a great foot in the door.

As I said I feel this may be geography/demographics of our area. It may not be the case in your area/schools.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 4:54:22 PM   
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Yes, well, I'm glad some had wonderful, perfeclty clean experiences with these things.

I didn't. The dances themselves were chaperoned, and the prom was locked down, but there was still *plenty* of ick, during and after.

Do what you like with your own kids. Just don't insinuate that my kids will be socially lacking as adults because they didn't got to a school dance.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 6:34:08 PM   
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If handled properly, school dances can be a very important socialization exercise. They can teach a lesson in extending an invitation and graciously accepting or denying an invitation. They can teach a lesson in planning for a special event, which includes any niceties that are appropriate, like buying flowers, arranging for transportation, communicating with parents, choosing clothing, etc. It is an opportunity for parents to discuss behavior that is appropriate in a public setting, what to do if someone asks you to dance, what to do if someone doesn't ask you to dance; proms might have a receiving line, which most teens haven't had to navigate on their own.

I can name off other things, too, that can be gained. As far back as the 1700s it was very important to learn to dance and to learn to conduct oneself at a dance. I personally think in recent years there has been a trend away from sending kids to dancing school (or cotillion) and those social skills have been lost.

I totally agree...however I chose to vote no because I took the question to be school related and my kids are homeschooled. I do think social formal events are important to learn how to handle...however, I don't consider a high school dance to necessarily be alone in that category. We are already teaching certain formal training in our schooling, and will continue to grow more as they age, but dancing the way school dances go these days will not be part of that. We may do a few ballroom classes in the future, or square dancing (my mom took that in school and loved it...lol), but I do not agree with the type of music or dancing that goes on at those types of events that are held in school gymnasiums.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 6:52:40 PM   
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I just came across this randomly when I was viewing the forum home page...but am wondering, why is dancing bad? Why wouldn't parents not let their children go? I haven't really seen alot of legitimate reasons to be honest...
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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 7:25:06 PM   
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I haven't really seen alot of legitimate reasons to be honest...


Legitimate is in the eye of the beholder, in this case.

"Dancing" is a pretty broad term. But we're talking about highschool dances. Some of us prefer our children not participate in certain types of dancing, or be a part of certain types of events. It doesn't really matter what other parents think of our reasoning, because our reasons are legit to us.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 7:27:09 PM   
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I just came across this randomly when I was viewing the forum home page...but am wondering, why is dancing bad? Why wouldn't parents not let their children go? I haven't really seen alot of legitimate reasons to be honest...


I'm the one that posted the original post. I don't think all dancing is bad, but the type of dancing to the modern music these days, to me, looks like lustful acts. Some of the moves just look sexual. The music can be loud and not music we would approve to have in our own home. Also, the closeness of boys/girls...etc...some dances just tempt to physical acts. And, especially at Prom, there seems to be an expectation of partying/ getting drunk and sometimes sex after.

I guess I feel that our body and what we do with it should be all about serving God as a living sacrifice and this seems like it would be offering ourselves to the world's system and it's ways.

Anyways, we homeschool and at my Dd's age of 14 we have told her "no". She has been confronted by other christian homeschooled kids to go and I posted to see how many christian kids do attend and I guess I am stunned.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 7:40:31 PM   
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I don't think all dancing is bad, but the type of dancing to the modern music these days, to me, looks like lustful acts. Some of the moves just look sexual. The music can be loud and not music we would approve to have in our own home. Also, the closeness of boys/girls...etc...some dances just tempt to physical acts. And, especially at Prom, there seems to be an expectation of partying/ getting drunk and sometimes sex after.

yup...exactly how we feel about it.

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 7:47:52 PM   
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Honestly, I feel as though that a teen should not be deprived of his/her school dance. Reason being is because its a once in life time kind of thing. I'm 20 yrs old now and My mom is a pastor. When the time came she allowed me and two of my sister to go to our proms. I don't believe that its a sin to go to a prom or school dance. If you are worried that your child may compromise in standards, don't. Trust that all you've instilled into your child(ren) and that they don't do anything out of God's will. When I went my school prom, I did not dance because the music was against my belief. But what I did was stepped out on the dance floor and walked around communicating with my friends...tuning the music out. Some teenagers sneakily brought liquor into the ballroom but I allowed the Holy Spirit to hide me so that I would not get any spiritual affects of it. My experience at the prom was amazingly unforgettable!! Why am I telling you all of this? I'm just simply explaining to you that the same God that you prayed to for your child is that same God who dwells within your child and with Him are precepts, instructions and convictions. Hope that this was helpful God Bless!!

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RE: Should Chrisian Teens attend Prom or Dances? - 10/12/2009 7:56:16 PM   
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If I knew my child would have convictions and not follow the crowd, that would be different. At this point in time, I think peer pressure would get them.

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