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1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/11/2009 12:49:23 PM
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beamerjx3
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I am doing a John Mac Arthur bible study on 1 Peter and I am really stuck on these two questions regarding 1 Peter 1:1-12 and Ephesians 1:3-14.
1. Both Peter and Paul explicitly state that God "chooses" people for salvation. What does this mean? What should be our response?
2. Three times in Ephesians 1:3-14 salvation is said to be "to the praise of His glory". In Peter 1:7 we find the phrase "praise, honor and glory". What do God's praise and glory have to do with salvation?
I am especially confused by the following phrase "to the praise of the glory" v.6 which is from both the NASB and NKJV translation.
I would greatly appreciate any insight that you could give me.
Thanks.
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 10:14:38 AM
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mysteryofgospel
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Beamer,
We tread on shaky ground here in discussing this as it leads to greater doctrinal conflict among believers.
Without answering the first question let me write a little of my understanding about the second question.
The reason we are saved is to praise God for it. He alone has done it and we continually thank Him for it and give Him the credit for everything that He allows us to do.
For me, it is the only biblical explanation the puts it all in proper order.
I was meaning to write more but have been called out.
Will write more later if you haven't gotten answers by then.
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 10:37:33 AM
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LastofAll
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1. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:
John 6:44
But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
John 6:64-66
I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 14:6
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matt 11:27
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:37
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:27
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
John 18:37
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 10:47:53 AM
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stampinlady
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quote:
1. Both Peter and Paul explicitly state that God "chooses" people for salvation. What does this mean? What should be our response?
I believe it's called election and some verses say "the elect." I think simply put, God has chosen some to be saved and some not, a very debated theology. I personally believe in election and believe that scripture teaches this. Our response should be gratitude. This doens't mean that we don't share the Gospel with those who don't know because we don't know who are elect and who are not. It can be very hard to grasp that God actually created some to go directly to hell, but that's how it is.
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 12:22:39 PM
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LCannon
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No debate(in my mind.) The HS draws 'all men', true, however the risk(or reward)is totally at the individual's digression. '... when He created the free moral agent called man he would fall when given a free choice. Mankind chose to disobey God but God had made arrangements for it. He had the decree to elect some to salvation(based on looking for to the Messiah or looking back to Christ Jesus' sacrifice/obedience/Victory)and He had the decree that He would send a Savior into the world. He certainly did that. He made a decree that He would save those who came to Him, the elect(predestined to believe). You can call them anything you wish but the people who(will)turned(past, present or future) to Christ for salvation are the elect.'(JVernon McGee)
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 1:01:26 PM
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No debate. Well, LC, that's a fascinating statement in light of 500 years of disagreement between Calvinists and Arminians and the C/A thread now exceeding 600 pages! I actually agree with most of what you posted from J V McGee. I look at election as a very simple-minded Arminian: it is the plan of salvation that has been predestined, not the individual whom God already knows will accept (or reject) His Plan by grace through faith (or lack thereof).
Welcome to the Forums, beamerjx3! You may want to find a good Arminian commentary to supplement your Bible studies as MacArthur is unashamedly Calvinist (and often incorrect  ) in his handling of Scripture.
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 1:35:54 PM
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RE: 1 Peter 1:1-12 - 10/12/2009 7:15:50 PM
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mysteryofgospel
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beamer,
Just as an example of the Bible speaking of God's glory, you will find it everywhere in the new testament including, 1 Cor. 1:31, 1 Cor. 10:31, Col. 3:17, Gal. 1:24, Phil. 4:20, Hebrews 1:3, which also speaks of who God is and who His Son, Jesus Christ is, Hebrews 5:1-5, which speaks of Christ humbling Himself to give God the glory, 1 Peter 5:10,11, 2 Peter 1:17, Rev. 4:9, 11, 5:13. Many times you will find the phrase, to His glory at the end of an epistle or a sermon, we always give Him the glory as a finality of what has been said or written.
All these scripture verses speak of who God is and of what He is worthy to receive: all honor and glory. And we, because He has chosen us, are the reasons why, we are to the praise, of that glory. Look what He has done.
Glory to God
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