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Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/16/2009 7:34:29 PM
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CommonSense549
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Did Jesus ever experience fear, or did his divinity keep him completely emotionally secure even in the face of extreme torture?
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/16/2009 8:37:03 PM
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Fearful; maybe not, but certainly concerned as evidenced by the following passage;
(Mat 26:36) Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
(Mat 26:37) And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
(Mat 26:38) Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
(Mat 26:39) And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
(Mat 26:40) And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
(Mat 26:41) Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
(Mat 26:42) He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
(Mat 26:43) And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.
(Mat 26:44) And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.
Christ may have been prepared, may have known about all the details in advance, etc but the absolute severity of the events of the coming cruxifixion was certain a heavy weight upon our Lord.
Fear, I do not know, but apprehension for sure.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/16/2009 10:42:37 PM
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I have to assume that being in the form of flesh, Jesus experienced every emotion that a human can experience. I believe that there is nothing wrong with experiencing fear no matter how spiritual or mentally strong we may be. It only means that we are human.
I believe that Jesus felt fear as He contemplated the Romans coming to arrest Him knowing what was to come.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 1:46:34 AM
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Walker311 ......... quote:
I believe that Jesus felt fear as He contemplated the Romans coming to arrest Him knowing what was to come.
I believe he did too ........ after all, He was 100% human as well as 100% God!
-charles
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 1:47:52 AM
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Yes He was fearful. He was 100% Gid but He also was 100% Man and any man would fear what was about to happen, not only the terrible pain of crucifixion, but bearing the sins of the entire race.
"According to Dr. Frederick Zugibe (Chief Medical Examiner of Rockland County, New York) it is well-known, and there have been many cases of it. The clinical term is hematohidrosis. "Around the sweat glands, there are multiple blood vessels in a net-like form. Under the pressure of great stress the vessels constrict. Then as the anxiety passes the blood vessels dilate to the point of rupture. The blood goes into the sweat glands. As the sweat glands are producing a lot of sweat, it pushes the blood to the surface - coming out as droplets of blood mixed with sweat."[citation needed]
In a lecture, Dr. Zugibe stated: "<b>The severe mental anxiety</b>...activated the sympathetic nervous system to invoke the stress-fight or flight reaction to such a degree causing hemorrhage of the vessels supplying the sweat glands into the ducts of the sweat glands and extruding out onto the skin. While hematidrosis has been reported to occur from other rare medical entities, the presence of <b>profound fear</b> accounted for a significant number of reported cases including six cases in men condemned to execution, a case occurring during the London blitz, a case involving a fear of being raped, a fear of a storm while sailing, etc. The effects on the body is that of weakness and mild to moderate dehydration from the severe anxiety and both the blood and sweat loss."
It's not a sin to awknowledge that Jesus was also human.
< Message edited by kisstheson -- 10/18/2009 12:23:40 AM >
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 1:53:36 AM
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How horrible that must've been :-(
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 10:00:37 AM
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14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens,e Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.
Hebrew 4:14
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 11:06:37 AM
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Interesting question...and thanks kisstheson for that medical explanation.
If it is true that he experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin?
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 11:11:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: CommonSense549
Did Jesus ever experience fear, or did his divinity keep him completely emotionally secure even in the face of extreme torture?
People assume that it was Jesus' HUMANITY that was fearful or pained facing the cross.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. It was the nature and history of his DIVINITY that brought pain to Jesus Christ as he anticipated what was about to come.
The physical pain was NOTHING to Jesus. The fact that his human body would die was NOTHING to Jesus Christ. NOTHING.
There is absolutely NOTHING related to the torture and death of the HUMAN Jesus that fazed him in the least. It was the TORTURE and PAIN to his DIVINITY and POSITION in the TRINITY that was the real source of Christ's torment.
He was about to undergo an unthinkable event that had never before occurred in all of eternity... the SON was about to be SEPARATED from the FATHER by taking on himself the punishment for all the sins that had ever or would ever be committed by mankind. He had NEVER before experienced this state of being. There had never even been a millisecond when Father and Son had not been one and that prospect was absolutely appalling. Yet, he faced it for us.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 2:52:08 PM
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CommonSense549
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Did god have any sympathy or love for Jesus as he awaited his fate at the cross?
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/17/2009 7:13:14 PM
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If it is true that He experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin?
Now that's another good question.
Fear in humans is a good thing. It helps us assess dangers, not take too many risks, and think before we act. Fear is a natural emotion created by God in us for a purpose, just like any other emotion.
Fear can be real and warranted - we fear punishment and retribution for our crimes, we fear threats from aggressive people, criminals etc ...
Or fear can be imagined and unwarranted - we fear the unknown, new places we have to visit, new situations in our lives, new people we have to meet, or we fear change from the comfort we're used to.
So fear, by itself, being natural, is not a sin. But how we react and deal with it can be. Too much unwarranted fear could be an insult to God in that we do not trust Him enough to look after us and care for us. Prayers are the answer.
Christ may or may not have experienced fear before He was arrested. We really don't know. But what we do know is that He conquered it through prayer and trust in God His Father.
Do not be afraid – I will save you. I have called you by name – you are mine. Isaiah 43:1
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:21:39 AM
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ORIGINAL: starcraft
Interesting question...and thanks kisstheson for that medical explanation.
If it is true that he experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin?
Read the post above your own. the emotion fear is not a sin. it's what you do with the fear. Jesus gave His fear to His Father.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:30:47 AM
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quote:
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ORIGINAL: CommonSense549
Did Jesus ever experience fear, or did his divinity keep him completely emotionally secure even in the face of extreme torture?
People assume that it was Jesus' HUMANITY that was fearful or pained facing the cross.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. It was the nature and history of his DIVINITY that brought pain to Jesus Christ as he anticipated what was about to come.
The physical pain was NOTHING to Jesus. The fact that his human body would die was NOTHING to Jesus Christ. NOTHING.
There is absolutely NOTHING related to the torture and death of the HUMAN Jesus that fazed him in the least. It was the TORTURE and PAIN to his DIVINITY and POSITION in the TRINITY that was the real source of Christ's torment.
He was about to undergo an unthinkable event that had never before occurred in all of eternity... the SON was about to be SEPARATED from the FATHER by taking on himself the punishment for all the sins that had ever or would ever be committed by mankind. He had NEVER before experienced this state of being. There had never even been a millisecond when Father and Son had not been one and that prospect was absolutely appalling. Yet, he faced it for us.
this is true but are you telling us that a man wouldn't fear having his flesh sliced and diced by the roman flagrum and having the median nerves in his wrists severed? You do know that the thorns would nearly paralize a man, so excruciating was the pain. excruciating (out of the cross.) Jesus was A MAN. probably what you spoke about was the worst of His sufferings but I'm going with the idea that the pain of the passion also raised some fear in Christ since he wasn't a superhuman.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:32:44 AM
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Did god have any sympathy or love for Jesus as he awaited his fate at the cross?
Yes...The gospel of Luke says that God sent an angel to strengthen Jesus while He prayed.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:36:49 AM
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If it is true that He experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin?
Now that's another good question.
Fear in humans is a good thing. It helps us assess dangers, not take too many risks, and think before we act. Fear is a natural emotion created by God in us for a purpose, just like any other emotion.
Fear can be real and warranted - we fear punishment and retribution for our crimes, we fear threats from aggressive people, criminals etc ...
Or fear can be imagined and unwarranted - we fear the unknown, new places we have to visit, new situations in our lives, new people we have to meet, or we fear change from the comfort we're used to.
So fear, by itself, being natural, is not a sin. But how we react and deal with it can be. Too much unwarranted fear could be an insult to God in that we do not trust Him enough to look after us and care for us. Prayers are the answer.
Christ may or may not have experienced fear before He was arrested. We really don't know. But what we do know is that He conquered it through prayer and trust in God His Father.
Do not be afraid – I will save you. I have called you by name – you are mine. Isaiah 43:1
excellent post!
adding* "In the days of His flesh Jesus cried out with loud cries and tears to the One who was able to deliver Him." -hebrews 4
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:59:18 AM
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I bet he was a little scared when the spear came at him....
Dude still felt pain.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 4:38:00 AM
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Did god have any sympathy or love for Jesus as he awaited his fate at the cross?
Yes...The gospel of Luke says that God sent an angel to strengthen Jesus while He prayed.
Sending an angel to strengthen Jesus doesn't necessarily point to sympathy. There could be plenty of non-sympathy-related reasons for god to have done that.
What I'm wondering is if, in his heart, god looked at Jesus with genuine sadness, love, and sympathy as he watched the pain and torment he was putting his son through.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 8:23:10 AM
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Interesting question...and thanks kisstheson for that medical explanation.
If it is true that he experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin?
Fear is NOT the opposite of faith.. for goodness sake. Fear is a natural emotion; a very critical and necessary emotion. Fear evokes the survival instinct.. the famous fight or flight response.
Did Jesus feel fear? He would not have been human if he did not. He chose to fight. He fought the hardest fight and He won. He won for all of us. Jesus is to be looked up to by every man for His courage and strength. Jesus of Nazareth is the strongest man I've ever known!!! 
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 11:49:02 AM
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That's why Jesus can be trusted because He's been there done that, walked where we walk and sat where we sat. He didn't walk above it on some mystical cloud. He experienced ALL human emotion and learned obedience through the things He suffered as the book of hebrews tell us.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 11:50:40 AM
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I bet he was a little scared when the spear came at him....
Dude still felt pain.
He was dead by then. They pierced His side to make sure He was dead. But yes He sure did feel pain.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:14:28 PM
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if Jesus experienced fear in the form of anxiety, wouldn't that make Him a hypocrite?
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:23:01 PM
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To your question, yes. Jesus was afraid in the garden, and was so anxious he 'sweat' drops of blood.
But he wasn't ever afraid of rules, men or the world. What Jesus feared in the garden was his Father's wrath on the cross.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 12:29:44 PM
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the fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding. Prov 9:10
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