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Methinks this thread is sooo on the verge of being shut down....

Can't we play nice occasionally?

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Methinks this thread is sooo on the verge of being shut down....

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And you're all right, he's just a commentator, not a news reporter. His opinions, like those of Hannity's and O'reilly, are clearly his own. They don't necessarily reflect the views of the whole network.

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ORIGINAL: huangshanSee, if I say "it's like" and I give two examples, you gotta look for the commonality between the two examples. Did I mention "coverage" in the second example? No. Why? Because coverage was irrelevant to the point I was making.

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ORIGINAL: huangshanSee, if I say "it's like" and I give two examples, you gotta look for the commonality between the two examples. Did I mention "coverage" in the second example? No. Why? Because coverage was irrelevant to the point I was making.

Well since the commonality is that they are both coverage events and you say they are like the tea party events i can only assume that you meant the tea party promos were for coverage events. Otherwise i have to assume that you were making invalid assumptions.

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Digressions and misconstruals aside, this is a summary of my position, which has not actually been addressed.

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1) There's nothing that prevents a president from calling out a person or organization by name. None of Fox News' rights have been abrogated, nothing is being censored.

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2) Fox News has organized and promoted anti-Democratic protests. I have given ample evidence for this claim:

-Beck promoted the "9/12 Project" for a long time, as has been admitted.
-Beck works for Fox News. The Fox News logo appears on his show, on his website, etcetera.
-The 9/12 Project website shows, explicitly, the "Brought to you by FOXNews.com" logo at the bottom of the main page.
-Glenn Beck gave out an email (glennbeck@foxnews.com, note the Fox News there) and told people to email Fox about protests happening in their area and Fox will put them on TV.
-I demonstrated one of the non-Beck promos that Fox aired.
-The 9/12 Project website helps people find protests happening in their area. It also has resources for contacting senators and representatives, with again, the "Brought to you by FOXNews.com" right there on the bottom. This is clearly Fox providing an organizational function for the protests.
- Beck has said, in reference to the Tea Parties, "Celebrate with Fox News", and the screen then shifts to a map with the heading, "FNC TAX DAY TEA PARTIES".

Again, this isn't concerned with Fox's bias. Bias is something that exists everywhere, and while I might consider Fox to be more biased than most, it's irrelevant to the points I've been making.

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Tafkam - Maybe we should change the title of this thread to "All Beck, All The Time", since that apparently is all the left has to offer as "proof" of Fox's "bias".

Considerable evidence was shown supporting Fox News and their promotion of tea parties.

Fox News's coverage' of tea parties: 23 segments, 73 on-air promos in eight days!

“Can’t get to a tea party?” Fox’s Bill Hemmer asked viewers the other day. “Fox Nation hosts a virtual tea party — you can check it out on the site, a location of a tea party in your area.”

This sums it all up........

“Fox appears to be promoting these events at the same time it is presenting them in a way that looks like reporting,” said Stephen Burgard, director of Northeastern University’s School of Journalism.

That is Fox News not the entertainment side!

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Fox News's coverage' of tea parties: 23 segments, 73 on-air promos in eight days!

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_jjp_ - Fox NEWS covered a story *GASP* the horror of it all.

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_jjp_ - Fox NEWS covered a story *GASP* the horror of it all.

No, the 23 segments and 73 promos were in the lead up to the tea parties! That is promotion not coverage!

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_jjp_ - It is promotion of a coverage event

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_jjp_ - It is promotion of a coverage event

OK, I guess our perspectives are just different....I see it as do others as way over the top...you see it as do others as simply coverage promotion.

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_jjp_ - ...is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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ORIGINAL: FrontporchAs to the overall, aside from the tea party coverage, I would say that Fox news is the most egregious in terms of editorializing, distortions, and outright lies.

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ORIGINAL: FrontporchAs to the overall, aside from the tea party coverage, I would say that Fox news is the most egregious in terms of editorializing, distortions, and outright lies.

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StephK - And the same type of editorializing doesn't happen on the other 24 hour cable news channels?

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Digressions and misconstruals aside, this is a summary of my position, which has not actually been addressed.

actually they have been addressed but for you i will do it one more time

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1) There's nothing that prevents a president from calling out a person or organization by name. None of Fox News' rights have been abrogated, nothing is being censored.

As i have stated previously, in the US the government is set up to be a servant of the people, not rulers over the people and as servants governmnet officials have limits placed upon them. There are avenues by which they can address citizens or entities IF they have broken any legally binding limitation set forth by the legislative branch. Furthermore while you may not see it as Fox's rights being taken from them, this administration is attempting to delegitimize a media outlet that does not agree with them WHICH IS NOT A FUNCTION OF THEIR JOBS. As servants of the state, when acting in their governmental capacity, they are limited in the scope of what they can and can't do. I know it is hard to wrap your head around but the governing bodies in the US are not rulers, they are servants no matter how much they would like it to be otherwise.

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2) Fox News has organized and promoted anti-Democratic protests. I have given ample evidence for this claim:

-Beck promoted the "9/12 Project" for a long time, as has been admitted.
-Beck works for Fox News. The Fox News logo appears on his show, on his website, etcetera.
-The 9/12 Project website shows, explicitly, the "Brought to you by FOXNews.com" logo at the bottom of the main page.
-Glenn Beck gave out an email (glennbeck@foxnews.com, note the Fox News there) and told people to email Fox about protests happening in their area and Fox will put them on TV.
-I demonstrated one of the non-Beck promos that Fox aired.
-The 9/12 Project website helps people find protests happening in their area. It also has resources for contacting senators and representatives, with again, the "Brought to you by FOXNews.com" right there on the bottom. This is clearly Fox providing an organizational function for the protests.
- Beck has said, in reference to the Tea Parties, "Celebrate with Fox News", and the screen then shifts to a map with the heading, "FNC TAX DAY TEA PARTIES".

Again, this isn't concerned with Fox's bias. Bias is something that exists everywhere, and while I might consider Fox to be more biased than most, it's irrelevant to the points I've been making.

We get it, your "proof" is Beck, your misunderstanding of how webhosting works, and an advertisement for Fox's coverage of the tea parties.

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Senior Obama administration officials took to the airwaves Sunday to accuse Fox News of pushing a particular point of view, one week after the administration fired its initial salvo to try to isolate the news network by accusing it of being a GOP mouthpiece.

"A lot of their news programming, it's really not news. It's pushing a point of view," senior adviser David Axelrod said on ABC's "This Week."

"The way we -- the president looks at it and we look at it, is, it is not a news organization so much as it has a perspective," White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel added on CNN's "State of the Union."

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Obviously, BO doesn't like anyone challenging his views or agenda! No matter what he says, I will watch Fox news to get the REAL, fair, balanced reporting.

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Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News

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StephK - And the same type of editorializing doesn't happen on the other 24 hour cable news channels?

Yes, but NO to the same degree. You can read information on the study by Howard Kurtz at the Washington Post , and he is quite objective.

For example in covering of the Iraq "war" last year 73% of Fox News, 29% MSNBC, and 2% CNN contained editoializing. In general Fox is tops followed closely by MSNBC with CNN considerably lower. This is NEWS not opinion/entertainment side!

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StephK - So what. The WaPo is not the most objective newspaper either.

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It isn't the business of the POTUS to determine what that is. Why can't you all get that?

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Howard Kurtz Mangles 'Studies' Showing Brit Hume's Right-Wing Bias

By Tim Graham
Created 2006-04-19 06:21

In Wednesday's Washington Post, media reporter Howard Kurtz profiled Fox News Channel's Brit Hume with the headline "Moving to the Right [1]: Brit Hume's Path Took Him From Liberal Outsider to The Low-Key Voice of Conservatism on Fox News."

It's obvious from the headline. Once again, Fox is the only ideological news channel. In Kurtz's stories in the Post, the liberal media is usually treated as the objective media, never as liberal as they believe Fox is conservative. On April 4, Kurtz broke the Katie Couric story with the headline "CBS Prepares to Land a New Anchor." [2] Liberal bias was not even mentioned in the story, as liberals worried about "residual sexism." The day before, the Keith Olbermann headline had only the right, not the left, in the headline: "A Gadfly With Buzz: MSNBC's Olbermann, Exercising the Right." [3] On April 7, Meredith Vieira's arrival at NBC landed the bland headline "Who Wants to Be a Morning Host." [4] (MRC did appear in that piece, in paragraph 19.) Last year, Bob Schieffer was "CBS News's Unstuffed Shirt." [5] When the media pounded on Team Bush over Katrina, the headline rejoiced: "At Last, Reporters' Feelings Rise to the Surface." [6] (Fox was included in the list of angry Katrina networks.)

It's not that Kurtz is incorrect that Hume has moved to the right over his journalism career, hired at ABC when he was liberal and breaking stories against Richard Nixon, and then falling out of step with Peter Jennings over the years. It's that other TV news stars don't have ideology be the main focus -- and provable commodity -- of their profiles.

It's a very different approach than the norm when Kurtz makes the point that "Hume, like his network, has clearly become a lightning rod in a polarized media environment. Hume is almost evangelical in his belief that he is fair and balanced while most of the media are not, an argument challenged by several studies showing that his program leans to the right." In this "polarized media environment," conservatives have certainly made Katie Couric a "lightning rod," but Kurtz couldn't locate that in the front-page story on Couric. Groups like the MRC have provided piles of examples of Couric bias, but he doesn't even ask Couric if she's fair and balanced. It's merely assumed. Only Fox is singled out as comically at odds with a fair and balanced pledge.