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vampire fad - 10/23/2009 2:59:28 AM
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kisstheson
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So there's a new movie out about a dude that becomes a vampire and his friend bemoans the fact that his friend didn't let him in on this exciting secret. Okay now vampires are hot and cool. back in the day a vampirer was not something girls swooned over. They were actually thought of as evil, scary and demonic. guys like this image of power and blood dripping from the mouth of a dude dressed in leather and a flowing black trench coat or cape. Wow! vampire wars are awesome because there are actually good vampires!
Hey I remember when the vampire crinched when shown a gleaming, shining cross. They wouldn't be caught within a mile of the cross. reminds me of the remake of War of the Worlds. What happened to the shining cross on the cover of the new testament the priest held up to the alien powers? Absent from the remake, of course.
Just another sign of the times...now there are good vampires..."men will call good evil and evil good."
Maybe next Hitler will be portrayed as a man of compassion and the twisted cross as a sign of peace.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 8:24:39 AM
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I'm not sure the Hitler thing will be that way. In the new Tarrantino film, Hitler was most certainly the bad guy!
I agree with the stupidity of the love of vampires, though (though I'm not convinced that's a fulfillment of prophecy). Only a few modern-era films show vampires as evil (30 Days of Night is a good example). I miss the old flicks like Nosferatu!
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 10:10:15 AM
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I remember the time when vampire was just dracula and played by Christopher Lee all the time.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 10:17:49 AM
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It is nothing more than the good vs. evil senario in the fantasy world. We humans tend to see things black and white and rarely see shades of gray. When you enter into the fantasy world you find those shades of gray. It's like in Harry Potter with "good" warlocks/witches" vs. bad. Vampire Diaries and Twilight have good vs. bad vampires. To imagine vampires who don't prey on humans for instance in our minds is an oxymoron of what we have always believed about vampires being totally evil. This contradicts the legends. Now we in the real world accept that vampires of popular legend do not exist (though some say they do) it is nothing more than fantasy taken up a notch or two. I don't think giving human qualities to fictional beings/characters necessarily calling evil good or acceptable.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 1:45:36 PM
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why is it that vamps no longer fear the cross?
why are christians the last to know the message that our youth especially are being taught through films etc.?
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 4:11:06 PM
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I thought this was a Harry Potter movie they way it looked.
I took an instant dislike to it from just the previews. I like vampire movies but I don't like campy movies that reduce the real scariness to juvenile comic book humor.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 4:17:54 PM
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why is it that vamps no longer fear the cross?
Maybe it's more important for them to have concern regarding their ultimate destination then shrinking from a symbol?
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why are christians the last to know the message that our youth especially are being taught through films etc.?
Wow, that's painting with a broad brush.
What leads you to assume that anyone in particular around here is "the last to know"? And, what leads you to assume that our youth are not intelligent or discerning enough to understand that fiction...is fictional?
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 4:30:12 PM
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is this true? In the Twilight series, they aren't afraid of the cross. In fact one of the characters in the book has an ornate cross from his once preacher-father decorating his wall.
That's the problem with youngins. They can't remember a time when vampires were NEVER portrayed as good. Why? Because they represent the demonic and that's why they were afraid of the cross.
You wanna now what's new? In these days the cross is loosing it's power, even among those who claim to be Christians. Christianity is the largest religion in America but most are unaware that prophecy is being fulfilled right in front of their eyes...
"In the last days men will call good evil and evil good."
After all how many of them enjoy south park where instead of saying the resurrection of Jesus they called it the erection of Jesus?
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 5:13:46 PM
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Vampire lore is simply a way to explain things that people didn't understand. It is a misogynistic attempt to explain away missing and dying children and all manner of things that went wrong. Our current legends are loosely based off of Vlad the impaler and a host of other people who did some pretty bad things. All of that to say it is fictional, has been and always will be. I read nothing in the Bible that talks about dead people coming back to life that suck others blood, can be killed by driving a stake into the heart or beheading or exposure to sunlight, and are instantly scared away by the cross. Which at the time the legends began is far more likely to have been a crucifix anyway.
And yes, it is true that in the Twilight series they are not scared of the cross or any other sacred symbols. They do respect them however, more than the average American does today. A major theme running through the series is the possibility of redemption and the idea that a vampire can have a soul. That they can turn away from the expected (killing people) and live a better life. More works based than salvation by grace I'll grant, but there are some ideas worth exploring. Not that I'm suggesting the youth group should replace a good Bible study with Twilight by any means!
Oh, and some modern vampire concepts still involve fear/pain from the cross but allow that the vampire may overcome it by force of will. Much like the free will we as individuals have to accept or turn away from Jesus.
Wow, who knew I had so much to say about this one. And no, I am not a Twilight fan (though I do read the books and see the movies) nor do I read a lot of the current vampire novels. But I try to stay abreast of a lot of the pop culture so that as my children get older I can teach them discernment as well as be aware of what is "out there". So no, I would not say I am the last to know about these things. Musical trends, well that is a whole other topic and thread!
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ETA: It is true that the Twilight good vampires have a cross in their home, hung in a place of honor.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 5:26:37 PM
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As I said, I don't like this new kind of vampire flick, but in no way to I think it's evil to watch or should be hidden from people. It's fiction. As long as someone has a relationship with Christ, fiction can't hurt them. That doesn't make the stupid movies any more entertaining, unfortunately.
BTW, I love South Park, with the exception of a few select episodes.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/23/2009 7:04:00 PM
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Twilight isn't really anything new. Both Anne Rice (30 years ago) and Dark Shadows (50 years ago) had good vampires (or at least, vampires who were basically "human" as far as morality goes). In fact, if you look at the most popular depictions of vampires in film and literature, I think it's much harder to find examples where vampires are portrayed as 100% evil than it is to find depictions where they are more grey than black or white. So I really don't see portraying vampires as anything but 100% evil as being such a shocking phenomenon, I guess.
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Vampire lore is simply a way to explain things that people didn't understand. It is a misogynistic attempt to explain away missing and dying children and all manner of things that went wrong.
True. If you read Stoker's novel (the origin of most of the basics of vampire mythos), for example, I think that there is a strong moral argument for siding with Dracula. If you look at the novel's plot it's basically an articulation of extreme xenophobia; the upstanding, white, British, male tries to kill the Eastern European, effeminate, immigrant "other" who is attempting to "corrupt" Britain's women. It's completely racist if you think about it. Especially if you consider some of the myths about minorities that had circulated in Great Brittain since medieval times (i.e. the belief that Jews feed on the blood of young children, that they corrupt your daughters sexually etc, etc). So while Stoker might intend Dracula to be an embodiment of extreme "evil" -I guess I've always had a hard time reading him as such just because the way his "evil" is presented seems to be so colored by cultural anxieties of Stoker's time (and Stoker himself was really into eugenics, so this reading isn't that far fetched).
In fact, because vampires are so popoular, I think looking at how they are depicted at any given time might be a fairly good cultural barometer for the times. They become convenient metaphors for cultural fears and anxieties.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/24/2009 4:10:34 AM
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Well, if you don't like the vampire thing, just wait a couple of years and I'm sure everyone will be on to the next big thing. I really don't see the harm in pumping new life into what was really a rather stale fictional stereotype back in the old horror movie days.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/24/2009 4:17:34 AM
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As I said, I don't like this new kind of vampire flick, but in no way to I think it's evil to watch or should be hidden from people. It's fiction. As long as someone has a relationship with Christ, fiction can't hurt them. That doesn't make the stupid movies any more entertaining, unfortunately.
BTW, I love South Park, with the exception of a few select episodes.
Loving south park explains your reason for thinking there's nothing wrong with the vampire fad. You mean the episode where "whomever" referred to the resurrection of Jesus as the "erection" of Jesus?
Blasphemers will end up in the lake of fire. I hope those who wrote that filth will repent and the christians that tune in should know better, ya think?
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RE: vampire fad - 10/24/2009 4:18:54 AM
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how culture is infecting the church...we just don't see it.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/25/2009 9:43:36 AM
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the only thing evil about twilight is fact its all you hear about.
vampire movies rock, although some nowadays are a tad bit hurting in the scary part.
south park, well, its crude adult humor. take it with a grain of salt. i personally love south park.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/25/2009 4:57:56 PM
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why is it that vamps no longer fear the cross?
because they're not real?
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RE: vampire fad - 10/25/2009 6:20:02 PM
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is this true? In the Twilight series, they aren't afraid of the cross. In fact one of the characters in the book has an ornate cross from his once preacher-father decorating his wall.
That's the problem with youngins. They can't remember a time when vampires were NEVER portrayed as good. Why? Because they represent the demonic and that's why they were afraid of the cross.
Or is it because you've ONLY known a time where vampires were portrayed as demonic, and this generation gets to see that they have a choice between being good or evil, just like everyone else. They are not restricted to what their nature is; they can overcome it. Wow. Sounds almost . . . Christian.
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You wanna now what's new? In these days the cross is loosing it's power, even among those who claim to be Christians. Christianity is the largest religion in America but most are unaware that prophecy is being fulfilled right in front of their eyes...
"In the last days men will call good evil and evil good."
Since vampires aren't real, the cross, and "good and evil" really have very little to do with this.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/26/2009 11:07:30 AM
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There was an article in our local paper this Sunday about the new book release of a Dracula sequel. Bram Stoker's great nephew and another writer have taken Bram's old notes, etc. and wrote the sequel to Dracula.
just thought that was interesting...
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RE: vampire fad - 10/26/2009 11:17:39 AM
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The strangest thing to me about the "vampire fad" is that it exists at all. The original vampire in the Stoker novel was evil and a creature to be hated and killed. Somehow, now, the vampire has become romanticized into a creature that people just love to death.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/26/2009 1:15:41 PM
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i think its being taken way to seriously.
i mean...its just fiction.
its not real.
its make believe.
just like talking cars, flying dogs, and fairies...yet no one seems to freak out over them.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/26/2009 1:21:06 PM
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100% agree, jesusxxjunkie...
There is no indication in Scripture that any fiction is evil.
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RE: vampire fad - 10/26/2009 1:32:23 PM
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The strangest thing to me about the "vampire fad" is that it exists at all. The original vampire in the Stoker novel was evil and a creature to be hated and killed. Somehow, now, the vampire has become romanticized into a creature that people just love to death.
You should go back and read post 12.
If you want a completely nonredeemable monster, try zombies. They generally don't have any free will.
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