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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/3/2009 10:55:15 AM
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uncabeeil
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It's not that complicated - copy a disc/record/whatever for your own personal use? No problem
Copy a disc/record/whatever and distributing it? Illegal. Even if you're giving it away. Even if it costs you money and you're not making any profit.
No grey area, no but what if's, plain and simple. The chances of getting caught and prosecuted are astronomically low, but it's illegal nonetheless.
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/3/2009 11:56:58 AM
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BelleWeather
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A question, guys. You all talk about what is legal and what is illegal.
The basic rule is that if you do not have permission from the copyright holder, it is illegal to reproduce that material.
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When my new record player comes with a dual cassette player, what is the other one for?
For looks? Also for the illegal taping of copyright protected material.
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If I make cassettes for my friends, that's illegal, right? What about in the 80's, when my ex-BFF made me a mix tape of Beatle songs along with other artists? She did it in her bedroom and it sounds very professional. She gave it to me for a birthday gift. Was that not kosher?
Without the permission of the copyright holder, it was theft from the various artists.
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How about when we record something off of the TV? Is that legal?
TV shows are copyright protected material. Whoever broadcasts that TV show pays a royalty to the producer for the broadcast rights, and is covered by copyright law. Copying that TV show without the permission from the broadcaster and the copyright holder is illegal.
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How about getting a turntable that I saw in Brookstone that lets you hook it up to your computer and make Cd's out of your vinyl? I'm not getting that but it looked cool.
To use technology to reproduce copyright protected material from one media source to another, without the permission of the copyright holder, is illegal.
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I knew about buying a Bootleg of something but not sure about the other stuff. Is this like one of those things that are like a gray area? I'm never sure if I am breaking any laws or not.
The grey area is that copyright law is easy to circumvent with the technology available.
That many people steal from artists does not make it right.
I am a professional dancer. I pay royalties to the copyright holder for the use of music for commercial purposes. It is appropriate and the right thing to do.
I wonder how you would feel if another dancer stole the choreography you had paid a professional to produce exclusively for you, and performed it as their own?
Err on the side of the angels and do not steal from artists.........buy the CD.
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/3/2009 3:14:53 PM
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keithyhuntington
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ORIGINAL: BelleWeather
The grey area is that copyright law is easy to circumvent with the technology available.
That many people steal from artists does not make it right.
I am a professional dancer. I pay royalties to the copyright holder for the use of music for commercial purposes. It is appropriate and the right thing to do.
I wonder how you would feel if another dancer stole the choreography you had paid a professional to produce exclusively for you, and performed it as their own?
Err on the side of the angels and do not steal from artists.........buy the CD.
thats so true, and also good to hear about the permission.
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/3/2009 9:08:29 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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ORIGINAL: luvsrickforever
I knew about buying a Bootleg of something but not sure about the other stuff. Is this like one of those things that are like a gray area? I'm never sure if I am breaking any laws or not.
Greetings
Look at it this way...
I am going to use a hypothetical example based on the take over of the banking system to raise a principal (below in bold) because one is not sure if one is breaking any laws or not
When we hear Mr. Obama reiterating discuss over the banking crisis and making claims to justify the take over that is was to assure this type of thing would never occur again... well that discuss was not directed at the crisis, the real discuss was based on the fact that they got caught, and is to assure this type of thing would never occur again = getting caught
So to avoid detection that anyone from the GOV may have been involved, the government had to take over the industry to cover and destroy information.
Think of that information that needed to be destroyed.... as intellectual property of the banking system
Unless the copyright explicitly says that one can make 1 copy… because the data is considered to be intellectual property, then NO copies are allowed.
And in like manner as the GOV took over to destroy intellectual property before the copy could be made
Making illegal copies of intellectual property is no different in principal then the hypothetical example of the GOV taking over the banking system before the altered copy could be made, = a Bootleg
Here is how it works…the company officials when investigating theft will personally show up at your home if one gets caught making illegal copies of intellectual property… they will ask one to produce the original data …and if they have an original and the copyright explicitly says that 1 copy is allowed then it is legal,
Now if one does not have an original…. then they we by asked on the spot to pay the full price for the copy, and if not they could be arrested before the day is done by the country sheriff.
In the hypothetical example of the GOV taking over the banking system, the banking system is the owner of the original data or the intellectual property… and like manner by the example above… if one gets caught then in like manner they would they have to produce the original records,
Therefore,
In the hypothetical example of the GOV… the taking over the banking system was before that request could be made by the tax payers to produce the original records…. And is just as illegal because it hinders the production of the original data…. so an altered copy can be made = a Bootleg
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I'm never sure if I am breaking any laws or not.
Hypothetically, it all depends on how one interprets intellectual property
That’s why many times companies do not prosecute in most cases… because if they did and it went the wrong way for them … it could set a precedence that could expose corruption all the way to the top of the chain….and is why many times companies do not prosecute and tend to prosecute only those who do not know any better.
But since the top of the chain does not abide by the very laws they write… then it makes one wonder just what is legal or what is not legal… by their examples
LG
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/4/2009 10:41:12 AM
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uncabeeil
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it makes one wonder just what is legal or what is not legal… by their examples Ever hear of "do as I say, not as I do"? Was "everybody else is doing it" an acceptable reason to your parents? Same principle applies here. Just because it's being done all over the place, sometimes by the lawmakers themselves, doesn't make it right.
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/4/2009 5:02:42 PM
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LoyalGypsy
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it makes one wonder just what is legal or what is not legal… by their examples Ever hear of "do as I say, not as I do"? Was "everybody else is doing it" an acceptable reason to your parents? Same principle applies here. Just because it's being done all over the place, sometimes by the lawmakers themselves, doesn't make it right.
This is true..
Especially when that trickle down affect by our elected leaders becomes the norm
Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread."
3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you.... also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?
4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then he need not honor his father or mother .'
>>Thus >>>you have made the commandment of God "of no effect"... by your tradition.
7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
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Just because it's being done all over the place, sometimes by the lawmakers themselves, doesn't make it right
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?" 13 But He answered and said, "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch."
We are just as guilty as those who pilfer data when we do not hold them to be accountable to the very laws they impose,
.....because "Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. (But no one is doing anything)
Therefore
14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch." =(Thus the current condition of the USA)
.....Therefore in principal.... if the people will begin and demand them held accountable, then the trickle down affect ...will also affect BOTH =v14.... and there wouldn’t not be any one asking questions whether this thing or that thing is legal or illegal
I am not in agreement with pilfering data …Which is basically what I was getting at... that …"it makes one wonder just what is legal or what is not legal… by their examples
The people (sheep) are a direct reflection of their leadership
I for one will not purchase the new Beatles boxed set because for 1, Sony seems to be "pushing" the green agenda not the British invasion…. and might well as be "nudging" the pilferer, or are they one in the same?
.....A law of physics dictates..... that we can not create or destroy matter, but only change its form, therefore when applying that principal to push agendas, in order to hide the money... they have to change the way money is gathered...
Lets say for example that scenario exists in real time ... then purchasing the box set legally or buying from the pilferer renders BOTH in the sight of God = as illegal, which by design all goes to change the way money is gathered,
4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then….. he need not honor… his father or mother .'
>>Thus >>>you have made the “commandment of God… "of no effect"... (= illegal
) by your tradition. V5
Truthfully, in the end of days we have to be very carefully who we support because we generally no longer have a clue where any of our $$ is going, especially when downloading illegal stuff from the internet.
They already know who they are who downloading so-called illegal stuff .....and the laws that are passed in the pretense thereof =
Luke4:13 Now when the devil had "ended every temptation", = CAP…he departed from Him …until… an opportune time.
This opportune time is generally based on a threshold or a monetary amount.. or a CAP... and believe me well that when that CAP is reached one will be unable to TRADE themselves out of it, = Cap and Trade
And this is because the opportune time will generate an excessive amount of money because off the FINES imposed under the pretense of the laws passed, then it would have been if the product was purchased outright
I wonder if the Beatles ever did a song about that.
LG
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/5/2009 12:40:06 AM
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luvsrickforever
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Okay. So I get that all this stuff is illegal. Why do they make VCRs and Duel Cassette Recorders and things that you can hook up to your computer to copy your vinyl onto CDs? If it's illegal, why isn't it all taken off of the market, then? They know why people are buying this stuff and what they are doing with it, but then I guess it's the same with all things illegal. You can't ban them completely.
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RE: Is anyone going to buy the new Beatles boxed set? - 11/5/2009 8:13:36 AM
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uncabeeil
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It's not illegal to copy anything for your own use. It is illegal to make copies and distribute them in any form, whether you get paid or not. The bolded part is key.
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