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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/10/2009 7:51:35 PM
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walterquez
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I said nothing about having more infatuation or the like. The point is that we have become accustomed, so going the next step becomes easier.
I am talking purely from the point of acting, nothing more; assuming there is no romantic attraction of any kind. Either way, I don't think people will jump straight to a nude love scene if it is their first time acting. I think most people's impression, especially one raised from a church, would be shocked at such a thing. But as time goes by, you start with simple kiss, then a little more. Next, you remove some clothing; not all, just enough to give the audience a particular message. Then more clothing is removed, more serious love scenes are acted out. Eventually, making a love scene in the nude is not as bad as it first appeared. After all, it is all done professionally. There is still nothing romantic about it, especially when you have a large audience watching you.
Look at the history of television. The old shows, the husbands and wives did not sleep on the same bed, but on separate ones. This is because the actors were not married. A few years later it was ok for them to sleep in the same bed, both fully covered. After these, more and more things were allowed. What is PG13 today was rated R a few decades ago.
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/10/2009 7:54:23 PM
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Have you ever been involved in the theatre/television/film realms on the acting side of things?
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Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. If it's making one spouse especially uncomfortable, then the other spouse should respect that and abstain. I'm just saying that, "It'll lead to temptation and affairs!" is a light-weight at best argument against kissing on stage.
I think there's a difference between "It will" and "It could". The former is a pathetically weak and unsubstantiated argument. The latter, however, most certainly can be (and has been) true.
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/10/2009 7:57:08 PM
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If your church had a play would they do it?
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/10/2009 9:18:15 PM
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walter,
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Either way, I don't think people will jump straight to a nude love scene if it is their first time acting. I think most people's impression, especially one raised from a church, would be shocked at such a thing. But as time goes by, you start with simple kiss, then a little more. Next, you remove some clothing; not all, just enough to give the audience a particular message. Then more clothing is removed, more serious love scenes are acted out. Eventually, making a love scene in the nude is not as bad as it first appeared. After all, it is all done professionally. There is still nothing romantic about it, especially when you have a large audience watching you.
So it must follow that someone who starts off killing a mosquito that bites them will soon go around squishing any bug they see. Not long after that, it'll be the squirrels in their yard - it used to seem wrong, but not anymore. Before long, it's local cats and dogs. It's a little violent, but it's not like you're hurting people. But then it's getting in to fights with people so you can hurt them - just not kill them. Eventually, murdering people is not as bad as it first appeared. Therefore, Christians should not kill mosquitos.
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If your church had a play would they do it?
That's not really the best judge. There's a lot of things that are acceptable for Christians that a given church may not do. I doubt my church would host a mewithoutYou concert, but that doesn't make them ungodly.
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I think there's a difference between "It will" and "It could". The former is a pathetically weak and unsubstantiated argument. The latter, however, most certainly can be (and has been) true.
I agree that it could, but that doesn't mean it's worth much consideration. Practically anything could. How many instances have you personally witness where you are sure a stage kiss has led to improper attractions?
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/11/2009 3:36:20 AM
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evry1needsgod
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I agree that it could, but that doesn't mean it's worth much consideration. Practically anything could. How many instances have you personally witness where you are sure a stage kiss has led to improper attractions?
There is no way of knowing the seed of one's emotions, and there is no possible way for me to emphatically state that the stage kiss was undoubtedly the reason such individuals had an affair. But I can at least assure you that I know of an instance where two actors committed adultery. What caused them to do this is not something that I could ever know...but I'm sure the that the kiss at least meant something considering what I now know.
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/11/2009 6:49:38 AM
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If someone is going to have an infatuation or affair with another, they don't need a stage kiss to get the ball rolling.
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So iow it is predestined fate that said individual would have an affair, therefore we do not need to take any precautions because, after all, what was going to happen would have happened anyway? Come on now...
How you thought this is what I was implying is beyond me!
I've watched actors get "chummy" but it is more from interacting backstage (and I don't mean making out) and building a misplaced friendship than from a stage kiss.
I do admit that our entertainment industry has been slipping down the slope of good sense. This goes for all segments of entertainment, music, theater, fiction writers, etc.
Although I don't think it is realistic to put two unmarried actors in seperate beds, I do think that the old "fade to black" is a good idea. I don't want to see other couples, married or not, making out IHMO. A stage kiss on a community theater stage is far from a hot and lusty make out scene. This couple has found a compromise that suits them both and the director and that says good things about their relationship. They can work these things out to where they are both pleased.
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/11/2009 1:23:11 PM
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How you thought this is what I was implying is beyond me!
Well think about what you said.
"If someone is going to have an infatuation or affair with another, they don't need a stage kiss to get the ball rolling."
That sounds to me like you're saying that they are going to have an affair no matter what the circumstances, they are already predetermined to have an affair, and no matter what the circumstances, they are going to have an affair...therefore, since it's already going to happen, they don't need a stage kiss to get it started.
Idk, it sounded kind of cheesy to me.  No, an affair is never inevitable, and a stage kiss certainly could be the start of something horrible.
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/12/2009 9:56:15 AM
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Thanks for clearifying that, then let me rephrase it like this:
If someone is prone to get infatuated with someone other than their spouse and possibly be tempted to end up in an affair, then something as simple as a stage kiss wouldn't be the issue. Someone who has already started to toy with the idea may take advantage of a stage kiss, though. The stage kiss turning into a serious kiss would be a symptom, not a cause.
It is so easy to miss understand text.
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/12/2009 10:30:17 AM
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All do respect, evry, but I 100% disagree with you. People get way too uptight about everything anymore. If a man lets his wife control every aspect of his life, he's not the family leader Christ called him to be. I don't know what I'd do in that situation, but it would definitely involve counseling... probably for the both of us. To me, it's ridiculous to be that jealous, especially in a Christian marriage.
Right after the part about wives submitting to their husbands is the part about husbands loving their wives like Christ does the church... Christ gave His life for the church, about the highest version of submission there is... Being the head of the home isn't, well shouldn't be a tyrannical endeavor and if the wife isn't comfortable with her husband kissing another woman, even if it's acting it shouldn't be assumed she has issues...
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/12/2009 4:44:36 PM
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evry1needsgod
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ORIGINAL: car2ner
Thanks for clearifying that, then let me rephrase it like this:
If someone is prone to get infatuated with someone other than their spouse and possibly be tempted to end up in an affair, then something as simple as a stage kiss wouldn't be the issue. Someone who has already started to toy with the idea may take advantage of a stage kiss, though. The stage kiss turning into a serious kiss would be a symptom, not a cause.
It is so easy to miss understand text.
Ok, that makes more sense. Sorry about the misunderstanding!
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RE: Actors And Romantic Scenes.... - 11/12/2009 4:53:11 PM
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evry1needsgod
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: McFatty
All do respect, evry, but I 100% disagree with you. People get way too uptight about everything anymore. If a man lets his wife control every aspect of his life, he's not the family leader Christ called him to be. I don't know what I'd do in that situation, but it would definitely involve counseling... probably for the both of us. To me, it's ridiculous to be that jealous, especially in a Christian marriage.
Right after the part about wives submitting to their husbands is the part about husbands loving their wives like Christ does the church... Christ gave His life for the church, about the highest version of submission there is... Being the head of the home isn't, well shouldn't be a tyrannical endeavor and if the wife isn't comfortable with her husband kissing another woman, even if it's acting it shouldn't be assumed she has issues...
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