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Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their music ... - 10/27/2009 5:01:15 AM
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aslouie
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http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_102209WAB-CNN-pearl-jam-bands-guantanamo-JM.24102e149.html
Somehow, I can't help but feel very amused by not only the limousine leftist aspect of how uptight, but wealthy rock acts are, but likewise with the how possibly self-defeating it is for those same MTV acts/"artists," may be dissing their own paying audience base--much of which were probably the same GI's, who suggested their favorite rock groups for such "enhanced interrogation" procedures!
...and did I mentioned the possibility of losing potential audience members from the Arab-Muslim world via Gitmo? 
*kinda begs the question of if the likes of Rage Against The Machine, are ironically part of the same machine they so wholeheartedly denounce--and I don't necessarily mean by the former Bush Administration!
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 6:30:20 AM
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Not really. They own the copyright and therefor public performance rights to their music. If they are uncomfortable with it being used in such circumstances (and, crazy as it sounds, being wealthy doesn't mean they shoudl approve) they have every right to object. It isn't about left or right, but personal conviction.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 6:58:42 AM
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Not really. They own the copyright and therefor public performance rights to their music.
Eh.... Not really. There are rules about how publicly-released music can be performed and re-recorded. Basically, if it's out there, it's out there and the writers don't have authoritarian control over it. For example, for all of his parodies, Weird Al gets permission from the original writers, but he doesn't have to. Legally, all he'd have to do is contact the proper agencies and negotiate the licensing fees. He seeks permission solely because he wants everything to be fun and good-natured.
Likewise, I'd be very surprised if these artists had any legal means to stop the military from using these records in this manner. They might be able to get one of the PRO's (ASCAP, BMI) to go after them for public performance royalties in the same way that bars & restaurants have to pay royalties for playing pre-recorded music to their patrons.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 8:49:12 AM
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Sorry - that's what I meant - they own the copyright so they are entitle3d to voice their opinion. I wasn't suggesting a legal recourse, more a moral one that should be heard.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 9:08:23 AM
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I'm surprised they chose those songs. There's tons of heavy metal that's WAY more obnoxious and grating than Pearl Jam and Rage.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 9:29:27 AM
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Weird Al gets permission from the original writers, but he doesn't have to. Legally, all he'd have to do is contact the proper agencies and negotiate the licensing fees. He seeks permission solely because he wants everything to be fun and good-natured.
It's just that though - he would have to pay fees. He can't just steal their music and play it, even if it's not for profit.
It's wrapped in politics, but it's not uncommon for bands or any produt license holder to protest having their name/icon/image/song used in a way that will shed negative light on them. Considering the controversy over that particular base, I'm not surprised. I know I would be upset if something I created was being used for what I considered to be a negative purpose.
I can't get to the original article, but I'm assuming this is what you linked? http://blogs.current.com/news/2009/10/23/rage-against-guantanamo-rage-against-the-machine-rem-pearl-jam-and-more-call-for-gitmo-closure/
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 10:09:03 AM
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Weird Al gets permission from the original writers, but he doesn't have to. Legally, all he'd have to do is contact the proper agencies and negotiate the licensing fees. He seeks permission solely because he wants everything to be fun and good-natured.
It's just that though - he would have to pay fees. He can't just steal their music and play it, even if it's not for profit.
There are differences between recording someone else's song for an album, performing it yourself live, and broadcasting the original recording. They're not treated the same and the pay structures are different. I don't know how the royalties get paid when big bands at big concerts play covers, but at the local bar level, the venue pays the royalties, not the band (this also applies to establishments that play pre-recorded music to their guests). In those cases, the fees are calculated based on how many people can expect to hear the music and (I believe) how much money is being made.
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It's wrapped in politics, but it's not uncommon for bands or any produt license holder to protest having their name/icon/image/song used in a way that will shed negative light on them.
That's true, but the devil is in the details. Playing music to prisoners is not treated the same as using that song (or the original recording) in a commercial.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 10:19:37 AM
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Do we know that royalties weren't paid?
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 2:38:47 PM
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It sounds as thoug Pearl found recoverd and smoked the stash that they hid on the Washington State Ferry that they hid when they mistook the Captian of said vessel, in his uniform, as the Director of the FBI.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/27/2009 7:47:42 PM
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Weird Al gets permission from the original writers, but he doesn't have to. Legally, all he'd have to do is contact the proper agencies and negotiate the licensing fees. He seeks permission solely because he wants everything to be fun and good-natured.
It's just that though - he would have to pay fees. He can't just steal their music and play it, even if it's not for profit.
It's wrapped in politics, but it's not uncommon for bands or any produt license holder to protest having their name/icon/image/song used in a way that will shed negative light on them. Considering the controversy over that particular base, I'm not surprised. I know I would be upset if something I created was being used for what I considered to be a negative purpose.
I can't get to the original article, but I'm assuming this is what you linked? http://blogs.current.com/news/2009/10/23/rage-against-guantanamo-rage-against-the-machine-rem-pearl-jam-and-more-call-for-gitmo-closure/
Um.... just about right--though not so much from Current TV's website.
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RE: Pearl Jam, etc... protest against usage of their mu... - 10/28/2009 1:48:51 AM
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More or less, any playback of recorded music in a public venue requires licensing, but the details get complicated depending on venue. Cover bands tend to skirt the law, because unless you're an established business or have an agency set up to deal with you, it's exceedingly difficult to obtain rights. Big bands often can deal directly with each other. Really, unless you're a business the only way to get permission is in a letter directly from the performer. Nearly every high school that plays music for a play or dance concert is breaking the law, but it's nearly impossible to get rights. The law does not distinguish between for profit and not for profit performances. BMI and ASCAP don't deal well with small entities, although there are agencies out there that handle odd requests. Even worship music played in church typically includes a CCLI license.
I'm not sure how this actually breaks down if the music is played within a government institution for interrogation. The company I work with has never had to hunt down royalties for a government prison, so I wouldn't even know where to start. I would imagine Pearl Jam and company are just making noise though, and I would actually agree with the attitude of the OP.
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