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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/27/2009 9:14:38 PM
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parkerbrother
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More people were offended by the story on this thread then the entirety of people offended by the cross.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/27/2009 9:19:33 PM
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Hopefully one of these days we will wake up and start to understand our part in driving people from the sign of the cross. we have made a mess of the cause of Christ in America by confusing politics and market philosophies and placing them on our pulpits next to Christ. A great resentment has been built, but much of it is not against Christ, but rather against the political movement that has been claiming to come in His name. They don't feel the love of Christ, they feel the heel of a fundamentalism trying to force them underfoot.
Instead of clamoring about the "wicked" liberals etc, we should be looking at ourselves, and asking God why our theology is lacking the transformative power of Christ's love and sacrifice..
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/27/2009 9:33:14 PM
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I am truly truly offended.
As a matter of fact, I have written to several organizations and have a large petition drive to make just such a change to a similar travesty.
Look: t
I mean, if that doesn't look like a cross, what is?!?
I am convinced that this is so biased, hate mongering, right wing, Christian fanatical, <insert pet group>-bashing, big money plot to suppress the love we all share and need to. Those nazi, fascist, skin-head letter creators knew it! And, you know who funds this hate filled, racist venom? Through Fox News, Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly - you guessed it.. Bush! Yes, Bush! So down with the "t"! It is a cross! Must separate! Argerwefqwefjwlj! And WEQWEF@#WF@@! ARRR!!
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Uhm... Yeah. 
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/27/2009 9:39:45 PM
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Blue Cross Blue Shield has to go, too.
Have you looked at the BlueCross logo latlely? It doesn't resemble a christian cross. 
Actually, I am not fully convinced that the "Christian cross" resembles the cross that Yeshua died on.
Historically, it is likely that it wasn't so much a "t" shape, as it was a straight beam, and the hands were nailed above the head. There was no cross beam.
Of course, ones with the cross beams did exist (if they were used at the time, I am unaware). Just an interesting point of thought.
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What was the students intent in desiging the logo? Did they intend it to be "christian" or something not even close?
I have a feeling they were just lousy graphic designers.
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I think it silly to be offended by it, but if I were Jewish or Muslim I might see it differently. As a believer I don't think I'd like a secular school using a christian cross on anything remotely secular, but that's me.
The cross was not invented by Christians, and was, in fact, used to kill Christians. It is an instrument of death.
Perhaps Christians should be the ones offended by it. Our Savior was killed on one, after all, because we are sinful, wretched creatures who only know evil.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/27/2009 10:17:24 PM
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why is it offensive?
What if it was a Star of David or Cresent, don't you think some christians would be up in arms? I do.
I don't, not the Star of David anyways. And the only reason to be "up in arms" about a cross or anything else is because you're opposed to what it stands for. By definition, those opposed to the meaning and message of the cross are perishing.
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What does the helmet logo look like? I tried searching for it on Penn States web site, but didn't find anyhting close to a cross.
That is the helmet logo for Penn St. A blue stripe. They've always had the plainest uniforms in all of football.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 8:16:13 AM
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I looked at the shirt design and I would have never put 2 and 2 together that it was 'cross-like'.
For goodness sake. Is this not just being a bit too thin skinned.
The cross, and I mean two perpendicular lines, sticks, whatever is a basic geometric shape.
Yes Jesus died on a cross of timbers but that has little to do with the wood.
lighten up.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 8:33:46 AM
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To further on leftwing's note... I think we should also have separation of wood and State. And, nail and State... Both were used in the manufacture of the cross. And, thorns, whips, presumably some writing instrument, plaques, mothers, brothers, Romans, Jews, non-Jews, buildings, and other foul Christian things like dirt which the cross was placed in. How disgusting.. They are all intolerant and offensive.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 9:51:27 AM
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I think that whomever oversaw the design should have never approved this. I can see it being offensive and believe it should be discontinued.
I think this kind of stuff has gone too far.
Not the t-shirt, but the reactions to it.
If their eyes offend them, they can gouge them out.
Today I saw a report that an American Flag in a gym
was just oh so too offensive. It was a Christian symbol??????????
Give us a break. If anyone doesn't like the American Flag
or Christian symbols, they can go back where they came from.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 10:01:16 AM
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There is a simple solution.
Turn it over to Bill Clinton and he will have all the t's removed from the keyboards............
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 10:28:31 AM
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I can see it being offensive and believe it should be discontinued.
Fascinating.
Who do you see taking offense and why?
As a Christian I see no reason to take offense, the context is not offensive and the resemblance incidental to everything represented by the shirt.
A non-Christian who is offended by the design would seem to be a "religo-phobe" if they find that incorporation of an intersecting vertical and horizontal design element in some way promotes religion. The context is clear, isn't it?
I'm glad the school did nothing, bowing to this level of censorship would be pretty bad... even in today's PC campus culture.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 11:40:57 AM
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Hopefully one of these days we will wake up and start to understand our part in driving people from the sign of the cross. we have made a mess of the cause of Christ in America by confusing politics and market philosophies and placing them on our pulpits next to Christ. A great resentment has been built, but much of it is not against Christ, but rather against the political movement that has been claiming to come in His name. They don't feel the love of Christ, they feel the heel of a fundamentalism trying to force them underfoot.
Instead of clamoring about the "wicked" liberals etc, we should be looking at ourselves, and asking God why our theology is lacking the transformative power of Christ's love and sacrifice..
I assume you've asked God this question. If so, what was His answer and how would that apply to this particular scenario?
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 12:00:28 PM
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Lapidoth
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I guess as the majority hated Christ and even walked out on Him,
his theology must have been lacking.
We need to look at the whole picture.
This t-shirt was not a religious symbol.
I've seen thousands of logos that have a stripe
and wording across it.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 4:53:52 PM
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Lapidoth
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Thousands, Lap?
Give me . . . 300 examples 
ROFL...........find them yourself.
Look at many cars.
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< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 10/28/2009 5:00:41 PM >
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 6:14:44 PM
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Can someone please post a picture of the Penn State helmet?
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 6:33:49 PM
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Here's one: http://amazingautographs4all.net/image.php?type=T&id=16134
This is obviously being blown out of proportion. I think people should let this one go...six complaints and the Anti-Defamation League. Big deal. 30,000 shirts have been sold. Compare that to six complaints, and this is not news-worthy.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 6:42:43 PM
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...all I know is Penn State is going to kick but this Saturday...regardless of how people interpret their helmets : p
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 9:21:15 PM
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When my kids were in junior league American football, the large kids' helmets were marked with a wide nose-to-nape stripe. The very large kids' were marked with a nose-to-nape, and an ear-to-ear wide stripes - forming a cross.
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RE: Even something that LOOKS like a religious symbol f... - 10/28/2009 10:42:24 PM
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Hopefully one of these days we will wake up and start to understand our part in driving people from the sign of the cross. we have made a mess of the cause of Christ in America by confusing politics and market philosophies and placing them on our pulpits next to Christ. A great resentment has been built, but much of it is not against Christ, but rather against the political movement that has been claiming to come in His name. They don't feel the love of Christ, they feel the heel of a fundamentalism trying to force them underfoot.
Instead of clamoring about the "wicked" liberals etc, we should be looking at ourselves, and asking God why our theology is lacking the transformative power of Christ's love and sacrifice..
I assume you've asked God this question. If so, what was His answer and how would that apply to this particular scenario?
It is pertinant in that this is basically the same thread that is discussed most every week with the latest "outrage" or "assault on Christianity", often editorialized for the most impact by Fox news. Like most of these the theme is the same: "our neighbors/liberals/intelligencia/(place your group here) defy/hate God/Christians/Truth/ Liberty/America/The Bible/Christmas/etc" because "place weekly outrage here".
It is a diversion and usually a half truth, meant to reinforce the victim mentality, and keep people in an "us against them" posture. And many of these news "issues" are anti-christ, with the real purpose seeming to be to get people entrenched in a cultural fight, even if in the process they lose sight of who Christ is and what is our true mission as His representatives.
< Message edited by JustaChristian -- 10/28/2009 11:04:50 PM >
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