|
|
|
|
|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/29/2009 1:03:55 PM
|
|
|
DaveW
Posts: 3812
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: MD suburbs of Washington DC
Status: offline
|
TT has been very careful to not say specifically what exactly they are doing or why he conisders it "flesh" and "Showey."
Is there a reason he is not being specific?
_____________________________
Avatar is my daughter Laura and SIL David on their wedding 9/20/09 ====================================
Our CD is now available here:
http://cdbaby.com/cd/dswaggoner
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/29/2009 1:10:02 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6747
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: DaveW
TT has been very careful to not say specifically what exactly they are doing or why he conisders it "flesh" and "Showey."
Is there a reason he is not being specific?
It would be absolute guesswork, but maybe fear that the folks on the fourms would not agee???
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/29/2009 1:31:25 PM
|
|
|
Liveloved
Posts: 1820
Status: offline
|
quote:
They are suddenly engaging in a worship style that they hadn't previously, which is showy, pushy and fleshy!!
TT,
Showy means a pretense or ostentation. This judgment, in order to be a righteous judgment, would mean you know their hearts. Yet you have not had personal, friendly, spiritual conversations with them. It appears you have not taken the time or the energy to get to know them. And instead you are choosing to believe what 'others' are telling you (which could be and often is not true).
To know and judge rightly (which is a godly thing to do) you must love these individuals, get to know them, set your preconceived judgments aside and hear them so you can hear their hearts. But once we have formed a judgment, this is extremely difficult. It is a true work of the Spirit. But I have experienced it!
TT, you need to get on your knees and ask God to change your heart so that you can judge this situation righteously. Only then will you be doing His work.
Don't believe the enemies lies. Take this to the Lord and let Him deal with you first. Praying for you, LL
_____________________________
Liveloved
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 15:13
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/29/2009 11:00:13 PM
|
|
|
DoveMinistries
Posts: 308
Joined: 6/8/2009
Status: offline
|
Sounds like someone is ready to lay hands on someone. Just kidding Tammy, last time I checked there was only one that lied and his father. Probably need to pray to the Father and rebuke the enemy and He will revel the truth to you. Be careful of the enemy though. If you let him, he will tear a church apart. And it allways starts with the Pastor or leadership.
God Bless
R Dove
< Message edited by DoveMinistries -- 10/29/2009 11:07:26 PM >
_____________________________
The Consummation of Love,
Love has been perfected amoung us in this; that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 1John 4:17
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 7:01:10 AM
|
|
|
DaveW
Posts: 3812
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: MD suburbs of Washington DC
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
It would be absolute guesswork, but maybe fear that the folks on the fourms would not agee??? That was my thought...
_____________________________
Avatar is my daughter Laura and SIL David on their wedding 9/20/09 ====================================
Our CD is now available here:
http://cdbaby.com/cd/dswaggoner
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 9:07:38 AM
|
|
|
TheTartanTammy
Posts: 817
Joined: 12/2/2008
From: North Britain!!!!
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: DaveW
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
It would be absolute guesswork, but maybe fear that the folks on the fourms would not agee??? That was my thought...
Matt 7: 1 - 5
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
_____________________________
TheTartanTammy
Isa 40: 11
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 9:23:48 AM
|
|
|
buckifn
Posts: 1744
Joined: 5/23/2006
Status: offline
|
quote:
Change the flowers on the piano and don't ask them first.
That should run them off...
or change the color of the carpet. that's a sure fire way to rid a few from the pews!
Seriously, it amazes me how much people complain about what is going on during worship service. My suggestion is always the same- start worshipping yourself and you will never know or care what someone else is or is not doing.
As a Leader in church we should be a leader in all things including worship.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 10:46:01 AM
|
|
|
manda59
Posts: 8228
Joined: 9/22/2005
From: Hampshire, UK
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheTartanTammy
Thank you for your responses. I have been vague, but not without reason, the internet is a global village!!
It is indeed, but you *have* been specific enough to label whatever they are doing flamboyant, showy, pushy, etc - which indicates to us your judgement of whatever they are doing, even if you haven't told us specifically. You've also told us about secondhand stuff you've heard about them allegedly speaking against your leadership. So it actually seems rather strange that you've told us all this, but not anything else, except the "prostrate" thing, which actually isn't uncommon in Spirit-filled churches.
I was in a Baptist-plant fellowship once, and some new people came in who raised their hands a lot in worship, danced a bit, prayed in tongues sometimes (and I mean quietly, whispered, not out loud), and were generally very outwardly enthusiastic about their faith. The reaction of many was "who do they think they are, showing off about their faith?" which actually wasn't what they were about at all. If the people who were thinking that about them were themselves focussed on God and their own worship of Him, they'd have been less inclined to judge them. I should know, I was one of those who was looking on and disapproving ........
_____________________________
"Manda.....you said what I tried to say, just much better"
sharonjef, October 2009
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 11:04:54 AM
|
|
|
Eutychus
Posts: 6377
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: Dothan, AL
Status: offline
|
I don't know the situation in your church, TTT, but I've watched my church change drastically since I joined in 1986. Attendance was around 500 Sunday mornings and it was what I'd call an old-fashioned Baptist church. Since then, we have nearly tripled in size, with members from all sorts of other traditions (or none at all). They joined because they like us but, then, more and more wanted to CHANGE us in ways like they had been used to in previous churches. Today, we little resemble the church I joined 23 years ago.
Music is, perhaps, the most noticeable change. Many of the new members wanted only contemporary music and none of the old hymns. Today, we have two services on Sunday morning. The first is a "blended" service with both contemporary praises mixed with old hymns. The second is entirely contemporary music.
Change is seldom easy and not always positive. But if it isn't against biblical truth, then it might be worth the stretching it requires of us. And there is the adage that we're either changing and growing or we're stagnant and dying.
_____________________________
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." -John 6:29
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 11:07:34 AM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6747
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheTartanTammy
Thank you for your responses. I have been vague, but not without reason, the internet is a global village!! I am hoping to, with the Lord's guidance, bring things into the light with a conversation soon.
I won't respond to the more negative responses, as it wouldn't help matters. I will however report back when things have moved on a stage.
Well I will pray for the situation; that the congregants grow;
(Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
And for you to have the whetherall to do what a leader is commanded to do;
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
My suggestion; if the folks are into sin, heresy, or division then deal with them quickly and firmly;
(Tit 3:10) Warn troublemakers once or twice. Then don't have anything else to do with them.
If the problem is with your servatude to the congregation; then deal with it just as firmly and quickly.
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 12:02:28 PM
|
|
|
Memaw.
Posts: 1581
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Sunflower State
Status: offline
|
TT didn't say the congregants were laying prostrate, he said this:
quote:
Fleshy = doing it to be showy
By the way ours is a Spirit filled church where no-one feels the need to have a prostrate during the service!!
I don't know what "have a prostrate" means, but I would like to say that the Holy Spirit moves each of us differently and even though you may not feel the need to lay prostrate during a worship service doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is not dealing with someone to where they NEED to be prostrate before our Lord.
Just my thoughts.
_____________________________
If you don't believe King Jesus and his saints will be riding white horses when he returns to the earth, then you can just walk and I will ride.
John G. Hall
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 12:17:53 PM
|
|
|
jhuperetes
Posts: 473
Status: offline
|
Amen brother!
I will also ask my Master to help you and your sheep.
quote:
ORIGINAL: rcjames
Well I will pray for the situation; that the congregants grow;
(Eph 4:13) Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
And for you to have the whetherall to do what a leader is commanded to do;
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
My suggestion; if the folks are into sin, heresy, or division then deal with them quickly and firmly;
(Tit 3:10) Warn troublemakers once or twice. Then don't have anything else to do with them.
If the problem is with your servatude to the congregation; then deal with it just as firmly and quickly.
Thanks
RC
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 2:43:36 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6747
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Memaw.
TT didn't say the congregants were laying prostrate, he said this:
No he did not say they were laying prostrate on the floor. He said;
quote:
Fleshy = doing it to be showy
By the way ours is a Spirit filled church where no-one feels the need to have a prostrate during the service!!
And again I ask he question; What dpes haveing a prostrate during servise mean?
I would reall like to know!
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 3:34:33 PM
|
|
|
TheTartanTammy
Posts: 817
Joined: 12/2/2008
From: North Britain!!!!
Status: offline
|
Thank you again for all of your prayers, comments and concerns. The situation has been resolved in part (maybe a huge part), the main protaginist having been spoken to admitted to behaving inappropriately in terms of criticism, sowing seeds of disunity, and freely admits to being judgemmental, accepting that taming of the tongue is required. (It would appear that the OP was a sympton of something deeper going on).
Having been questioned about all that has been said to others, there was no denial or attempt to justify it in any way. Biblical principals have now been applied and the situation has been dealt with.
I, in some respects made an error in bringing the issue to this forum due to cross-cultural as well as cross denominational differences. However, some sound advice has been given, and is welcome along with prayers.
To answer RC - 'having a prostrate' is pretending to be lying on the ground for purly spiritual reasons.
_____________________________
TheTartanTammy
Isa 40: 11
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 10/30/2009 4:37:57 PM
|
|
|
ta_mosquito
Posts: 10990
Joined: 3/31/2005
From: from MN, now in Ontario :D
Status: offline
|
quote:
Though I thought all males have a prostrate.
That's a prostate without the extra R.
_____________________________
LibriVox: acoustical liberation of books in the public domain
(Avatar: Turkeys are all saying "Moo")
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 11/1/2009 12:49:37 AM
|
|
|
buckifn
Posts: 1744
Joined: 5/23/2006
Status: offline
|
LOL how can one be pretending to be laying on the ground?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 11/1/2009 3:56:10 AM
|
|
|
TheTartanTammy
Posts: 817
Joined: 12/2/2008
From: North Britain!!!!
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: buckifn
LOL how can one be pretending to be laying on the ground?
Not pretending, but rather doing it with the wrong motivation!
_____________________________
TheTartanTammy
Isa 40: 11
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 11/1/2009 7:53:36 AM
|
|
|
manda59
Posts: 8228
Joined: 9/22/2005
From: Hampshire, UK
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: TheTartanTammy
Not pretending, but rather doing it with the wrong motivation!
How can anyone know what another's motivation is for laying on the floor?
_____________________________
"Manda.....you said what I tried to say, just much better"
sharonjef, October 2009
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Caution! Hi-jacking in progress... - 11/1/2009 1:40:30 PM
|
|
|
Liveloved
Posts: 1820
Status: offline
|
quote:
I asked how could anyone know for sure what another's motivation was.
By knowing them. . . getting to know them. . . putting judgments away. . . stop judging unrighteously which Jesus deplores. . . hearing their heart. Only then will we begin to know them, understand them, and know what motivates all they do or say.
Most don't take the time, expend the energy in relationship with others to know their hearts (and their motivations). Instead they judge unrighteously.
This is why Jesus died.
BTW, I know you know this manda. . . and why you asked your question.
_____________________________
Liveloved
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 15:13
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
