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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 4:09:10 PM
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Hey, it works in some countries.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 4:11:17 PM
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getting stoned means something a little different over here
or at least it used to 
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 4:13:04 PM
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ROFLMHO
I can see the bylaws now ...
Article 58732: In Cases Of Inappropriate Dress ....
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 4:56:32 PM
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You may choose to read disgust and disdain in her posts, but that is your choice. Her posts have shown frustration with a certain attitude, certain beliefs perpetuated by some men (and women for that matter), but I have not seen her speak ill of men period. In fact she is a loving wife, so I'm not sure how she could be disgusted by men, yet love her husband.
Thanks Sideways. Appreciate the kind words.
I was so busy Planning the semi-annual meeting of the Man Haters Club that I didn't have time to catch up with this thread until now.
I see I'm not too late for the stoning! O Goodie-What with all these Christian women running around showing their breasts, undies, and subtle glimpses of their bikini area from the altar I was beginning to wonder what ever could be done to get these wanton hussies under control!
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 4:58:19 PM
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Which brings me to my next point....
What kind of churches do you all go to?
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 5:18:38 PM
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Doinkdom, I was thinking the same thing.
HisLamb, for the record, I haven't found your posts hateful, bitter, or whatever, funny but not hateful.
Suprisingly, I am a mamber of a Southern Baptist church.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 5:29:52 PM
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ROFLMHO
I can see the bylaws now ...
Article 58732: In Cases Of Inappropriate Dress ....
From the International Sisterhood of Temptresses, Succubi, and Heartbreakers Handbook and Bylaws:
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In Cases of Inappropriate Dress--
If said target does not ask the Sister for her phone number, the Sister is wearing too many items of clothing. Remove the clothing item to cause the most consternation in the target area.
So it is written, so it shall be done......
These are the jokes folks.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 5:32:09 PM
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So it is written, so it shall be done......
In my best Yul Brenner voice, "M o s e s . . ."
bwahahahah...sorry, had a senior moment there....
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 7:17:46 PM
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HisLamb, for the record, I haven't found your posts hateful, bitter, or whatever, funny but not hateful.
Suprisingly, I am a mamber of a Southern Baptist church.
Thanks you Surpassing.
One of the local baptists churches in town affiliated with SBC a couple of years back. One of my girlfriends goes there, and when she told me they had voted to affiliate-I jokingly (well partially anyway) told her: RUN GIRLFRIEND RUN-Run for your life! 
(They are really nice folks-I know many of them personally-overall a nice warm church, but some of them do have strange ideas about women.)
On a serious note-As I suspected-most of you go to relatively conservative churches. I can't imagine there are tons of women running around wearing itsy-bitsy-teenie-weenie-yellow-poka-dot-bikinis to worship on Sundays. To hear some folks describe the displays of flesh......really gets a gal wondering what has become of my more conservative sisters!
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 8:51:22 PM
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Which brings me to my next point....
What kind of churches do you all go to?
I'm the wierdo. I'm Lutheran, Missouri Synod to be specific. Actually, I was raised more of an Independent Baptist, but my then I met my husband, and my life as a Baptist was over. 
My Roman Catholic grandfather heard of my marriage to a Lutheran and said "Well, at least it's one step closer to Catholicism."
Missouri Synod is what I would call a moderate brand of Lutheran. We let women vote, but we don't let them become pastors. And yes, there are Lutheran Synods who do not let women vote... or have much role in the church at all. I'm sure they dress very conservatively.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 9:36:26 PM
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Pentecostal Holiness (not Apostolic). We believe in women dressing modestly and we know what it means. If we don't, our Pastor reminds us with kindness and gentleness. The Pastor's wife is a model of modesty, integrity, morals, ethics, sweetness, kindness, gentleness, a prayer warrior, piano player, singer, compassionate, and an overall great example for women of all ages. Never had a pair of jeans/pants on in her life, worn a sleeveless or low neck top, had on make-up or cut her hair. She is beautiful. Most remarkable of all, she doesn't realize it.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/6/2009 10:54:53 PM
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HisLamb, for the record, I haven't found your posts hateful, bitter, or whatever, funny but not hateful.
Suprisingly, I am a mamber of a Southern Baptist church.
Thanks you Surpassing.
One of the local baptists churches in town affiliated with SBC a couple of years back. One of my girlfriends goes there, and when she told me they had voted to affiliate-I jokingly (well partially anyway) told her: RUN GIRLFRIEND RUN-Run for your life!
(They are really nice folks-I know many of them personally-overall a nice warm church, but some of them do have strange ideas about women.)
On a serious note-As I suspected-most of you go to relatively conservative churches. I can't imagine there are tons of women running around wearing itsy-bitsy-teenie-weenie-yellow-poka-dot-bikinis to worship on Sundays. To hear some folks describe the displays of flesh......really gets a gal wondering what has become of my more conservative sisters!
HisLamb26, I don't think you are angry or bitter. Like me, you are weary of the religious penalizing women for their sexuality. To be pecked to death for being a woman is to chip away at her essence. It is done to master cowardice by bridling those who are feared.
Focusing (post #262) made a very good point about not noticing numbers of women exposed at other churches. I haven't seen that in my travels either.
These episodes may have much to do with the tone and traditions that the church embraces. It could have something to do with affiliated and unaffiliated denominations: The more casual the atmosphere, the fewer established traditions, the more opportunity of a more casual form of dress?--"Come as you are! We do!"--I'm guessing here.
The Russian Orthodox Church teaches that we must approach worship in humility. That what detracts from our pursuit of grace and redemption through the liturgy of the Mass and service of the Eucharist is not worship.
The older women often wear brilliantly printed scarves (babushkas) tied under the chin, below the knee or longer dresses and skirts, long-sleeve blouse, dark stockings and shoes. The younger women wear modern conservative dress, with head scarves.
Men are in suits, dress shirts and ties. Several men go to work directly from Mass, so there are uniforms or pressed work clothes.
There is the rare pair of jeans or sportswear. There is no rule against it, but it is rare.
When I read that men and women feel helpless because of a lack of decorum in their churches---I honestly do not understand---Church is the last place this should be happening.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 12:36:21 AM
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My Roman Catholic grandfather heard of my marriage to a Lutheran and said "Well, at least it's one step closer to Catholicism."
"one step closer....". LOL. That was funny.
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HisLamb26, I don't think you are angry or bitter.
Thank you.
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Like me, you are weary of the religious penalizing women for their sexuality.
Indeed.
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To be pecked to death for being a woman is to chip away at her essence. It is done to master cowardice by bridling those who are feared.
And sadly-the Christian Church has a very long history of doing just that to it's women.
Yep. There it is ladies. In a nutshell.
I've come to believe it to be a toxic environment for a women's soul. I've been in the trenches. I've seen the long term damage it can do to women; especially women who have been raised in it from birth and know nothing else and dare not speak up. It's not pretty-and it is not an environment I will raise my daughters in. But that is another thread in and of itself.
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Focusing (post #262) made a very good point about not noticing numbers of women exposed at other churches. I haven't seen that in my travels either.
Me neither, and I've spent years in church circles of different flavors.
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These episodes may have much to do with the tone and traditions that the church embraces. It could have something to do with affiliated and unaffiliated denominations: The more casual the atmosphere, the fewer established traditions, the more opportunity of a more casual form of dress?--"Come as you are! We do!"--I'm guessing here.
I don't know, Belle. But I attend at a pretty casual "come as you are" church; and it is a non issue. (Though we do have one body builder who wears snug shirts....LOL.) .
And No-it's not me.
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The Russian Orthodox Church teaches that we must approach worship in humility. That what detracts from our pursuit of grace and redemption through the liturgy of the Mass and service of the Eucharist is not worship.
The older women often wear brilliantly printed scarves (babushkas) tied under the chin, below the knee or longer dresses and skirts, long-sleeve blouse, dark stockings and shoes. The younger women wear modern conservative dress, with head scarves.
Men are in suits, dress shirts and ties. Several men go to work directly from Mass, so there are uniforms or pressed work clothes.
There is the rare pair of jeans or sportswear. There is no rule against it, but it is rare.
When I read that men and women feel helpless because of a lack of decorum in their churches---I honestly do not understand---Church is the last place this should be happening.
Sounds like you come from a beautiful tradition, Belle. It's one I can appreciate having been raised in Roman Catholicism.
Though sportswear and denim is pretty much the bulk of what you see where I worship these days. And when I see some of these folks worship; some of whom the church has traditionally rejected....there is a beauty there all of its own, and it has little to do with outward decorum.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 10:57:06 AM
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My Roman Catholic grandfather heard of my marriage to a Lutheran and said "Well, at least it's one step closer to Catholicism."
"one step closer....". LOL. That was funny.
Spitting distance...
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When I read that men and women feel helpless because of a lack of decorum in their churches---I honestly do not understand---Church is the last place this should be happening.
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Though sportswear and denim is pretty much the bulk of what you see where I worship these days. And when I see some of these folks worship; some of whom the church has traditionally rejected....there is a beauty there all of its own, and it has little to do with outward decorum.
Wise words.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 2:18:57 PM
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So, let's say the church leadership has addressed the issue and the young/older women continued to dress in the same manner ... what would you suggest the next step would be?
If the leaders had done a general teaching on the subject, and also had spoken individually to any women who were involved then they have done all that they can. Then it is up to the women involved to listen and do something about it or to ignore the godly advice. If they do that then I would say they may have a problem with respecting authority thta God has placed above them in their church.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 2:22:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: Focusing
So, let's say the church leadership has addressed the issue and the young/older women continued to dress in the same manner ... what would you suggest the next step would be?
If the leaders had done a general teaching on the subject, and also had spoken individually to any women who were involved then they have done all that they can. Then it is up to the women involved to listen and do something about it or to ignore the godly advice. If they do that then I would say they may have a problem with respecting authority thta God has placed above them in their church.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 2:28:13 PM
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I now go to a NFI church. It is great. The people are really nice and relaxed and friendly, loving and kind.
The women who I am friends with there are really lovely, modest and love God so much.
Tha pastor is brilliant. he loves God so much yet is is humble and funny with it.
They have strong morals and principlies,and The Bibles instructions are faithfully upheld.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 2:36:13 PM
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It makes me very sad to hear the attitudes of some of the ladies here towards what God tells us is right and what men struggle with.Its disrespectful to everyone who is trying to obey Gods teaching.
Dress codes are somethng that NO ONE has suggested. We ALL know whether what we wear is modest or not, women are well aware of these things, especially if we are not really young women who may have an excuse of ignorance due to age.
We are all resonsible for how we live and what we do and believe me, God DOES care what we wear. He puts that responsibility on us as women to dress modestly for a very good reason.
He will hold each of us accountable for what we do or dont do.
In think it is very signifant that the most lovely godly women who I have known have been the most modestly dressed. Must be something in that.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 6:31:25 PM
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It makes me very sad to hear the attitudes of some of the ladies here towards what God tells us is right and what men struggle with.
No one is saying modesty isn't not in the bible, and that is not right. No one said that. Not one time did I read that in this thread.
For me personally? Some of the generalizations about women's dress and men's visual struggles drive me nuts as well. I don't know how many times I have gone out dressed in a way that is pleasing to God, and felt 'eyes' upon me. Heck I remember feeling that from time to time even as a child, and I don't see where that is talked about NEAR as much as modesty is.
When you spend almost your entire time on how men struggle, and then bring modesty into the discussion to use as a hammer - which if you can't admit happens I can't help you there. I can tell you it happens, and generalizations are normally what is used to make the point. It seems others have felt that as well - that ALSO is not right and disrespectful to not acknowledge this on the same level!
In life there are always going to be temptations. You can't get around it - they will always be there. Resistance to temptations is where the rubber meets the road. That is where you see the character of the person, and NO that doesn't mean they have to be perfect. I haven't met on person on earth that is. If we can't admit that even if you covered a woman head to toe in a flour sack that some men (not all of course) wouldn't get tempted anyway? lol we are kidding ourselves!
Do we hear as many sermons on how men can handle themselves differently so women don't feel uncomfortable about KNOWING there are eyes on them? I don't know about you, but that maybe one of the most uncomfortable feelings for me. It makes me feel like a piece of meat. The excuse given? They are 'visual'. That's an excuse, and lessons on self control should be applied instead. I don't dress like a loose woman, and lack of self control is a reality for alot people in general. It needs to be spoken about more, because human nature will use 'modesty' as excuse for lack of self control if no one calls them on it. Sounds like a few here on the thread have. GOOD for THEM!
Its the issue of generalizations that are used as excuses for lack of self control that no one wants to go near! You can walk into any mall or store that is filled the rafters with unchristian immodest woman, and telling me the luring was because they caused them to stumble as opposed to just leaving? To me people give others to many excuses, and blame shift to make it easier for them to deal with.
You can't control the world, but you certainly should learn to control the way you react to it - temptation or not. The devil is whom places temptation out there, and yet to many people claim the devil made them do it instead of owning the fact they FELL in by choice!
I'm know there are women out there that dress to tempt on purpose, but we also have to admit there are men that lust on purpose as well. Where are all the sermons on that? For me personally those men and women have issues within themselves that need to be addressed. There are also young people that haven't even grasped this is wrong yet. What is going on their world?
In history men and women that were in 'proper' societies were kept separate for reasons. In the ladies case? It was out of protection due to men of no character. Did human nature change since then? Is it always just the women now? We all know attitudes toward sexuality have changed for the secular world, and yet in church you hope and pray we keep the the values God would wish us to. That doesn't erase the danger of women with men involved changed due to society's attitudes changing. Do we teach our men how to cope with this change, or do we ask women to lock themselves in the house like the Muslims do?
Its a two way street, and harping to much on one part? Isn't going to make the other half feel better. We don't seem to wish to talk about that at all. We love to point out the low cut shirts, but when we start to talk about the wandering eyes in the same way? I know I would feel safer and more secure myself.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/7/2009 7:05:07 PM
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I am giving a standing ovation to hnt! Hear hear, well said, bravo, and Amen!
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