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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 12:16:03 PM
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Liveloved
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I have had people whom I questioned pray for me, and that is nothing. But lay hands on me? No! I won't even let some hairdressers touch me. Some people are simply not allowed to cross certain boundaries.
And when it comes to prayer, there are some learned traditions that simply bother me on a very deep level. I would not have such laying their hands on me either.
But like Cool, there have been prayers by complete strangers that were cool water to my parched soul. One's spirit knows the difference.
I think you're talking about something different though, aren't you, C_M? I also have a friend who doesn't not want people messing with her personal space (as she puts it). IOW she doesn't even really want a hug from a friend, let alone someone she hardly knows. Some of us are just much more comfortable with that kind of touch.
I would not lay hands on someone without their permission. Not because of any fear on their part or mine but because of the respect for their personal space. However I have been a part of church services where we laid hands on some being sent to the mission field. Some of us stayed in the pews and just reached our hands forward. They had no idea who all was 'laying hands' on them. But the Spirit was present and mighty in that place and I knew they were truly being sent by Him.
I think the personal space violation and fear are two different things. If I haven't understood what you are saying, please help me.  LL
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 2:01:00 PM
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The issue I am concerned about is not those who you "go to church with" or are in a "Bible believing" church, but someone who you know has flip flopped religions so many times (not changed from the 1st Baptist to the 2nd Baptist, but religions) where you don't know what they believe, or even who they are praying to.
Someone who has gone from believing wholeheartedly what the Jehova Witness church teaches and raised children in that belief, to flipping to a Mormon church till settling at a Methodist and has embraced each religion fervently.
Would you be accepting of that person praying for you?
How about a Muslim?
Would you be alright with them praying for you?
I was taught at an early age to be very choosy over who prays for me, because I NEED to know they are praying to the God of Abraham, the God of Jacob, the God of Isaac.
The laying on of hands is something I am equally as particular about too, it's not because of a "personal space" issue for me, but imparting.
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1 : to give, convey, or grant from or as if from a store <her experience imparted authority to her words> <the flavor imparted by herbs>
2 : to communicate the knowledge of : disclose
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 4:23:13 PM
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As we grow in our faith and relationship with Jesus, sometimes we have to acknowledge that what we had thought was truth, was taught us as truth by well-meaning people was in fact false, wrong, and harmful to faith.
Deliveredarling has already pointed to some good scripture that assures us that those who belong to the Lord have nothing to fear. The Apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans said some important things on this topic as well. You see, Paul wanted the Lord's people to come out of bondage and into true freedom, the freedom Christ died to give us. Yet men so often seek bondage and put themselves right back into what Christ died to save us from.
Believing that someone of another faith's prayers can harm you is such bondage. Believing someone laying hands on you could be harmful is such bondage. Both beliefs are borne out of fear, fear of a power that is greater than God. Both beliefs need to be cast down instead of being raised up as truth. What God says is true. Here are His words.
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? . . . for I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31,38-39
Absolutely nothing, no power, no principality, is stronger than God. There are powers and principalities. There are spiritual forces of wickedness. But they are no match for Jesus Christ!
Bless you, Memaw, for asking, but what you were taught is not true and is not how the Lord wants those of us who claim His name to live. He wants us to proclaim His power and His power is greater than any other. We can live without fear and that is how He wants us to live. Believe His word! Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. I John 4:4 LL
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 5:08:54 PM
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I think you're talking about something different though, aren't you, C_M? I also have a friend who doesn't not want people messing with her personal space (as she puts it). IOW she doesn't even really want a hug from a friend, let alone someone she hardly knows. Some of us are just much more comfortable with that kind of touch.
I would not lay hands on someone without their permission. Not because of any fear on their part or mine but because of the respect for their personal space. However I have been a part of church services where we laid hands on some being sent to the mission field. Some of us stayed in the pews and just reached our hands forward. They had no idea who all was 'laying hands' on them. But the Spirit was present and mighty in that place and I knew they were truly being sent by Him.
I think the personal space violation and fear are two different things. If I haven't understood what you are saying, please help me. LL
Hmmm. I don't know. Maybe I should be clearer. 
I don't want people I don't know laying hands on me in order to pray for me. Perhaps I have too large of a zone of personal space. ?? And I don't want certain others to touch me either. It all kind of goes together for me.
However, it would not bother me one bit for some people to touch me while praying for me. It depends.
If a witch, for example, offered to pray for me (and a couple have), I would decline, because my consent would, to me, be sanctioning their religion. However, such persons' prayers are basically a waste of their air, because their stuff cannot touch me. quote:
2John 1:10 If there any come unto you, and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, or bid him God speed: 11 For one who bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. is the Scripture I would refer to.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 5:22:47 PM
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2John 1:10 If there any come unto you, and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, or bid him God speed: 11 For one who bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
is the Scripture I would refer to.
Is not the scripture you referenced, a personal response to that lady as an answer to a specific question?
I say this because if it were used as suggested, that goes against preaching the gospel, it removes that opportunity and even suggests that they not hear it at all.
So that, in my mind, is a serious contradiction. I think this verse has been used out of context. But that's just me....
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 5:32:39 PM
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2John 1:10 If there any come unto you, and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, or bid him God speed: 11 For one who bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
is the Scripture I would refer to.
Is not the scripture you referenced, a personal response to that lady as an answer to a specific question?
I say this because if it were used as suggested, that goes against preaching the gospel, it removes that opportunity and even suggests that they not hear it at all.
So that, in my mind, is a serious contradiction. I think this verse has been used out of context. But that's just me....
Right! But the part in which the advice is quote:
For one who bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. I don't want to partake in ungodly deeds by appearing to condone them.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 5:43:47 PM
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I see what you are saying and doing and it is totally different than one who declines out of fear, C_M.
To fear is to say God is not strong enough, able to defeat any enemy.
Your motive is to not participate in evil. And if that is your motive, it is fine. You are exalting God in your decision. . . not running from a bogeyman or some such thing.
Fear is the domain of the flesh and the enemy. Perfect Love casts it out.\o/
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 5:51:53 PM
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2John 1:10 If there any come unto you, and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into your house, or bid him God speed: 11 For one who bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
is the Scripture I would refer to.
Is not the scripture you referenced, a personal response to that lady as an answer to a specific question?
I say this because if it were used as suggested, that goes against preaching the gospel, it removes that opportunity and even suggests that they not hear it at all.
So that, in my mind, is a serious contradiction. I think this verse has been used out of context. But that's just me....
Right! But the part in which the advice is quote:
For one who bids him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. I don't want to partake in ungodly deeds by appearing to condone them.
Ok, I get what you are saying...I think-just to make sure I understand,
If they want to pray for you and you accept, are you saying that is partaking in evil or condoning it?
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 6:13:56 PM
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Right, Liveloved!
And yes, Darling. But remember that I know, and I am sure that you know, that my boundaries are mine and not yours. 
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And yes, Darling. But remember that I know, and I am sure that you know, that my boundaries are mine and not yours.
Of course, I just wanted to make sure I understood what you were saying.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 6:34:02 PM
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For myself, Darling, I am just choosy about who touches me, like I am choosy about my friends, yet I am a huggy person. But I have boundaries, and I assume others have boundaries.
With regard to others' and my boundaries, for example, I wanted to hug one of my synagogue leaders So Badly last Sabbath, but I have personal boundaries about him because he is a leader and we both need to be completely exemplary. So my "hug" ended up being an email.
Regarding two young ladies at my synagogue, whenever they see me, they want a hug. I don't hesitate about them. And I hug the ladies there occasionally.
But if a man there came up to hug me, I would automatically have certain boundaries, depending upon the circumstances. Other than these men, I hug only my husband and my relatives -- and especially my grandboys unless it embarrasses them.
But if I were going to pray for any of these, I would unhesitatingly put a hand upon them unless I thought it would bother them -- except for the leaders of my synagogue. I would unhesitatingly pray for them, but other men or ladies from their families would have to do the touchy-touchy thang, not me.
I'd hug you, Darling, if I thought you were not uncomfortable aobut it! 
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 9:21:41 PM
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Those who do not want to be touched, is it a physical thing or because there is a concern that someone praying for you could "transfer" something or pray against you during the laying on of hands?
For me, being touched without my permission brings with it a number of possible negative associations, ranging from control to abuse (physical).
So I personally prefer not to have hands laid on me in prayer, unless I have requested it.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 9:57:08 PM
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If they aren't believers it's not like their prayers are going anywhere, so there's really no harm in someone praying for you. Just thank them and go on.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 10:04:39 PM
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I have a question because I think I have misunderstood a few things.... 
Those who do not want to be touched, is it a physical thing or because there is a concern that someone praying for you could "transfer" something or pray against you during the laying on of hands?
I'm not sure I totally understand what the exact fear is involved with another praying for you. Can you be more specific?
What I put in bold is what I have been told by more than one personal friend who has suffered under wrong teaching. In fact, once when I was going for a massage, she warned me with the same---that they could transfer some evil to me through their hands.
I don't remember exactly what I said but it was basically something like, "Hon, the only thing being tranferred is the love of Jesus to her lost soul and she needs Him more than anything."
The fear associated with the laying on of hands in these instances is based on superstition not biblical truth and needs to be taken captive to the obedience of Christ and cast down.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/3/2009 10:05:56 PM
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What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? . . . for I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:31,38-39
Thats my fave verse ever in the bible.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 4:30:48 AM
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LOL, great subject line, certainly DID catch my attention.
IMO, I think its wise to be careful who touches us or even who we touch.
Ya ever have someone lay hands on you to pray and they prayed some prayer that contradicted the Word but rather prayed their own thing? I refuse to come into agreement with that. To me, if I let them pray, I'm agreeing with them.
Personally, I need to know a little something about the character of a person before I just let them come- as sweet as their intentions might be. If it is someone I don't know, I try to trust the Holy Spirit to give discernment...or if I just get a creepy feeling...NO.
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MARRIED TO A MILITARY PILOT ~ PLEASE PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS! 
. I totally understand why you don't want to be touched! That wasn't at all what I was thinking about being touched, but man, it sure puts a new perspective on it. 
