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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/7/2009 6:35:56 PM
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Oh, get real. The left CRUCIFIED George Bush for his apparent lack of reaction to the news of the first plane striking the WTC. Never mind the fact that he was in a school classroom with second graders and rightfully did not want to alarm them.
And, as conservatives pointed out at the time, they were wrong to criticize him for that. So are you going to be better than that, or are you going to stoop to that level while still pointing fingers?
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The topic of the thread is not the other articles that appear on the NBC Chicago website. Once again a thread is yanked off topic by those who can't handle the criticism of the person they voted for. Whether you like it or not some people did have a problem with the way the POTUS handled himself over a very serious matter. Obviously, one of those people was employed by the Chicago NBC affiliate.
I'm speaking to your accusations about why the station posted that article. If my comments were off-topic, then yours were too. You claim that the very presence of this article on their site shows that the station is taking an editorial position on this matter. I'm providing evidence that your declaration is poorly founded. They pay people to write columns. Some write about entertainment; some write about sports; some write about restaurants; this guy writes about politics. To say that the presence of an article by a contracted political columnist reflects the editorial position of the station is to say that the station also takes a position on Lindsay Lohan's drug problems, who has the best hot wings in town, and whether or not Detroit will upset Seattle tomorrow afternoon.
But, none of that matters, because this article wasn't written for NBC Chicago. It was written for NBC Local Media (see the copyright at the bottom of the article), which is a group of web sites covering 10 different urban areas that share articles but highlight issues relevant to a particular town.
Here is that same article at:
NBCNewYork.com
NBCConnecticut.com
NBCDFW.com
etc etc etc
They're all the same web site. This was not an employee of a particular NBC affiliate expressing his distaste. This was a conservative columnist -contracting for NBC- expressing his distaste.
-Dan.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/8/2009 12:13:44 PM
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Who cares that this was by the Chicago NBC station? How is that relevant? By the transitive property of Liberals-are-evil-liars-and-omnipresent-in-the-media, doesn't the fact that this is from NBC immediately make it untrue to you people?
And are you arguing that the poll is somehow scientific?
Well, well, the high and mighty doing what he accuses the rest of us doing.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/8/2009 9:45:49 PM
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You really think that 87% of Americans are furious by what Obama did? Seriously?
I'll give you a hint. Google the term "freep the poll" and you'll see what happens to these Internet polls.
I don't know if it's birtherism, racism, rabid anti-liberalism, or whatever, but there is a subsection of Americans -- on ample display in these forums btw -- that has a severe case of ODS, serious enough to rival the worse cases of BDS in the last eight years. Obama cannot the smallest thing right for these people. If he sneezes without covering his mouth he'd be accused of wanting to spread the swine flu or something equally silly. I read dozens of posts on other forums yesterday claiming that Obama would find a way to get the shooter in the Ft Hood off the death penalty because he was a fellow Muslim, or that somehow Obama interfered in the ongoing investigation into this man so that he could carry out his murderous mission.
It's fine to criticize Obama -- there are plenty of things to criticize him for (even for a liberal like me) -- but that's different from much of the irrational hatred on display in many of the threads here from certain conservative posters (and we all know who they are).
You say you don't mind criticism about Obama but the fact is you have complained about it quite a bit. The fact is this was reported by the CHICAGO NBC station. It bothered someone enough at the station to write an article and then post it online. They even attached an "UNSCIENTIFIC" poll. So please stop trying to derail the thread with the "birtherism" accusations.
You are accusing the posters here of something that did not happen on THIS forum. The truth is the inexperience is showing more and more in situations where it would have been much wiser to have someone at the helm who had more work experience than community organizing and campaigning for political office.
That one CHICAGO NBC station is the only news outlet that is bothered by this. Not even Faux will stoop that low.
Actually it wasn't. < -- The Telegraph, UK paper
Fox News coverage
The Times Online, another UK paper.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/9/2009 4:04:20 AM
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And, as conservatives pointed out at the time, they were wrong to criticize him for that.
I completely disagree with that. Bush could and should have just made his excuses and left immediately. There was no risk of frightening the children -- that's just a preposterous notion. He didn't have to say "I'm sorry, I'm going to have to leave because terrorists have launched a massive attack on American and we might all be going to die." He should have just said "I'm sorry, but I have to leave, I have an urgent matter to attend to." and left the room. As Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces, he had no greater duty than to be briefed and available the instant the attack had begun. If WMDs had been involved (and we weren't to know at that point), those seven minutes of inaction could have been the the death of millions. Even if the Secret Service had told him to stay put, they're not the boss of him. He should have at the very least left the classroom and got on the phone to the Joint Chiefs immediately to be briefed.
I can only imagine the hysteria and ranting from tafkam and the rest of the right-wing if Obama ever did anything remotely like that. They throw a fit every time he mentions anything about Muslims.
Frighten the children? Please. What's a roomful of temporarily scared children in comparison to the thousands who were about to die in Washington and New York??
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/9/2009 7:09:11 AM
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It's not the same since Obama had several hours to prepare his statement not mere moments where he was in a room full of children. He started the speech with the shout out and spoke for minutes before mentioning the incident. Not only that we have the 9/11 experience to use as a frame of reference to the possibility that it could have been even worse than it was. Maybe if the left wouldn't have gone on and on and on about Bush's handling of the moment he received the news Obama would be given a pass.
The Boston Globe has something to say too.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/9/2009 9:51:16 AM
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Maybe if the left wouldn't have gone on and on and on about Bush's handling of the moment he received the news Obama would be given a pass.
Indeed.
And remember, in those initial moments, we still weren't sure that the first plane wasn't simply an accident. So Bush's reaction (staying in the classroom) was perfectly understandable....
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/9/2009 10:07:13 AM
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It takes more than scripted eloquence for presidents to connect with their fellow Americans. It requires a visceral ability to grasp the scope of tragedy, calculate its impact on the national psyche, and react swiftly to it. Ronald Reagan did it after the Challenger explosion took the lives of seven crew members on Jan. 28, 1986. So did Bill Clinton, after the Oklahoma City bombings of April 19, 1995, left 168 dead and more than 600 injured.
When a gunman fired those shots at Fort Hood, the country immediately felt the pain. Obama missed the first moment to show he understood just how much it hurt.
I guess one thing Obama didn't get from Clinton, "I feel your pain."
So far, Obama makes all those before him seem better at the job.
But, as a birther, I can understand the difference.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/10/2009 9:59:31 AM
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It's getting to the point where even Jimmy Carter seemed more capable 0bama. He's a campaigner. That appears to be all he knows. That was on display for all to see and hear at that press conference.
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It takes more than scripted eloquence for presidents to connect with their fellow Americans. It requires a visceral ability to grasp the scope of tragedy, calculate its impact on the national psyche, and react swiftly to it. Ronald Reagan did it after the Challenger explosion took the lives of seven crew members on Jan. 28, 1986. So did Bill Clinton, after the Oklahoma City bombings of April 19, 1995, left 168 dead and more than 600 injured.
When a gunman fired those shots at Fort Hood, the country immediately felt the pain. Obama missed the first moment to show he understood just how much it hurt.
I guess one thing Obama didn't get from Clinton, "I feel your pain."
So far, Obama makes all those before him seem better at the job.
But, as a birther, I can understand the difference.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 2:02:41 AM
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Yeah, restoring America's reputation abroad and avoiding a full blown depression and ending the deepest recession since the war. Terrible record so far. /sarc
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 7:32:02 AM
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I don't know that presenting a weakened image for America is the wisest move.
As for ending the recession, recessions have always ended on their own without government help, so why was it so important this time? (Not that it actually did anything....)
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 8:36:46 AM
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I don't know that presenting a weakened image for America is the wisest move.
Why do you see humility, honesty, and cooperation as being "weak"? We've tried being a bully and that hasn't worked out too well. It'll be even less effective going forward as other country become stronger and more independent.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 8:51:55 AM
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Sorry, but I'm a firm believer in the Reagan model of peace through strength.
And so far, nearly all of Obama's overtures have been met with missle tests or other saber rattling from the very nations he wants to "talk to".
Yeah, that whole appeasement thing is really gonna work out this time, right?
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 9:27:12 AM
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Sorry, but I'm a firm believer in the Reagan model of peace through strength.
What's your idea of "strength"? We're overextended in two wars, so we're not really in a position to fight somebody else. Economically (which is becoming more and more important relative to military power), the world is a different place than it was 20-30 years ago. During the cold war, there was US and the Russians and everybody had to align with one side or the other. These days, India, China, and Europe have all emerged as economic centers, diluting our strength.
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And so far, nearly all of Obama's overtures have been met with missle tests or other saber rattling from the very nations he wants to "talk to".
Yeah, that whole appeasement thing is really gonna work out this time, right?
Part of keeping things under control is going to be working with nations such as Russian and China whose ideals don't quite align with ours. We can't just muscle everybody around anymore.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 9:37:44 AM
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Who told you we're overextended? My friends in the service right now tell me that the main reason we're unable to make much headway is because of the politicians in DC who aren't willing to commit the necessary resources to win this war....
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 12:39:59 PM
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Who told you we're overextended? My friends in the service right now tell me that the main reason we're unable to make much headway is because of the politicians in DC who aren't willing to commit the necessary resources to win this war....
AMEN.......................we are under extended.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 2:28:34 PM
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Who told you we're overextended? My friends in the service right now tell me that the main reason we're unable to make much headway is because of the politicians in DC who aren't willing to commit the necessary resources to win this war....
AMEN.......................we are under extended.
The difficulty as I see it is the near empossibility of fighting a Politically Correct war (how is that for an oxymoron?)
I mean we are expected to get rid of a radical jihadist non uniformed army with out any collateral damage (human, structural, social, etc.).
In WW11 the Eureopean front was calmed by carpet bombing and burning Dresden Germany.
The Japanese front was calmed by dropping atom bombs on two cities in Japan.
But now we are expected to bring order to an enemy, but only with permission of who to shoot or not shoot on an on going basis, do not hurt the non-terrorist, nor thier society, nor anything else. That is difficult when the citizens and the terrorist are indistinguisable from the citizens.
I have some experience with this problem, during the Tet offensive (Viet Nan '68) a boy of about 10 years old came to our plantoon's position to try and sell some food; he had brought a handgernade in the food basket, and killed 3 of our group that day. The enemy comes in many guises.
The Taliban and Al Queda can be defeated and quickly, but not with 37 pages of permission to get before one can act, and then must act within the quidelines of PC.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 2:52:21 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree, RC. Carpet bombing, in addition to destroying the enemies' war-making capability, it also struck fear in citizens' hearts and minds. It made them begin to rethink their leaders' policies.
And concerning "collateral damage," many Islamic families prepare their children from 5 years old to become suicide/homicide bombers. It's for the "glory" of Islam. How can we deal with that without being looked upon as being child killers? "Surgical strikes" won't solve that problem.
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Who told you we're overextended? My friends in the service right now tell me that the main reason we're unable to make much headway is because of the politicians in DC who aren't willing to commit the necessary resources to win this war....
AMEN.......................we are under extended.
The difficulty as I see it is the near empossibility of fighting a Politically Correct war (how is that for an oxymoron?)
I mean we are expected to get rid of a radical jihadist non uniformed army with out any collateral damage (human, structural, social, etc.).
In WW11 the Eureopean front was calmed by carpet bombing and burning Dresden Germany.
The Japanese front was calmed by dropping atom bombs on two cities in Japan.
But now we are expected to bring order to an enemy, but only with permission of who to shoot or not shoot on an on going basis, do not hurt the non-terrorist, nor thier society, nor anything else. That is difficult when the citizens and the terrorist are indistinguisable from the citizens.
I have some experience with this problem, during the Tet offensive (Viet Nan '68) a boy of about 10 years old came to our plantoon's position to try and sell some food; he had brought a handgernade in the food basket, and killed 3 of our group that day. The enemy comes in many guises.
The Taliban and Al Queda can be defeated and quickly, but not with 37 pages of permission to get before one can act, and then must act within the quidelines of PC.
Thanks
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 2:56:01 PM
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I agree Dave we have the ability to win this war, we just lack the will to do so. I feel so bad for our troops that they are stuck in this dangerous position not able to move forward because it would not be PC to do so.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 3:18:47 PM
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The troops are being used as cannon fodder in this situation. If we are going to go to war, we should be willing to do that which is necessary to win it. IMHO, it is more "humane" to wage war in that manner than it is to drag it out for many years and allow both sides to have massive casualties. We do, indeed, have the ability to win the war. We just seem to lack the will to do so.
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I agree Dave we have the ability to win this war, we just lack the will to do so. I feel so bad for our troops that they are stuck in this dangerous position not able to move forward because it would not be PC to do so.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 3:28:17 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree, RC. Carpet bombing, in addition to destroying the enemies' war-making capability, it also struck fear in citizens' hearts and minds. It made them begin to rethink their leaders' policies.
...have we learned nothing from the past forty years of Low Intensity conflict? Maybe you should read the assessment authored by the US commander in Afghanistan.
One of the biggest objections the Afghans have right now is our use of air power. It's easy to opine on carpet bombing when it isn't your relatives who are being taken out.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 4:21:18 PM
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It could very well be my relative taken out by our pussy-footing around, playing war. I have a son-in-law who will soon be making his third trip to the "sandbox."
I'll repeat my earlier thought: "If we are going to go to war, we should be willing to do that which is necessary to win it." Going to war means that someone, usually lots of someones, are going to die. Is it more humane to stretch out a war to some infinite time while both sides have mounting casualties, or make it short and only our enemies absorb the casualties? Remember, our enemy, in this case, is perfectly willing to sacrifice their own and even prepare their children as young as 5 years old to become suicide/homicide bombers.
In short, we either play to win or get out.
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I wholeheartedly agree, RC. Carpet bombing, in addition to destroying the enemies' war-making capability, it also struck fear in citizens' hearts and minds. It made them begin to rethink their leaders' policies.
...have we learned nothing from the past forty years of Low Intensity conflict? Maybe you should read the assessment authored by the US commander in Afghanistan.
One of the biggest objections the Afghans have right now is our use of air power. It's easy to opine on carpet bombing when it isn't your relatives who are being taken out.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 4:35:35 PM
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I agree Dave we have the ability to win this war, we just lack the will to do so. I feel so bad for our troops that they are stuck in this dangerous position not able to move forward because it would not be PC to do so.
It was the dems that yelled "Viet Nam Quagmire"
while Bush at least went "TO WIN." It was the PC
that made Viet Nam a Quagmire, and it's Obama
that is making this one a Quagmire with his dithering.
I truly feel the frustrations our kids must be having
as I had that same frustrations in Nam. I get a bit
testy as I see the government doing to our kids what
it did to us and from being spit on coming back.
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 4:38:29 PM
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Well, if you remember, the Dems were also predicting gloom and doom in the run up to Afghanistan, as well.
But you have to remember, good news out of that region is bad news for them politically.....
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RE: Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting - 11/11/2009 4:50:02 PM
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Well, if you remember, the Dems were also predicting gloom and doom in the run up to Afghanistan, as well.
But you have to remember, good news out of that region is bad news for them politically.....
It was like all of the anti-war hippies were reliving their "glory days". Too bad they won the propaganda war.
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