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Last night... - 11/8/2009 5:11:27 AM
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Little_1
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My hubby and I have been traveling through a storm for the past 27 months. We are faced with a situation where we are waiting the outcome of something which - without the Lord - I just don't want to think about! We are encountering a fresh storm on top of this! Just before this second situation arose, the thought that God would not give us more than we could bare kept coming in to my mind... and I was soon to find out why the Holy Spirit was bringing this to my thoughts when the next day I received a letter with disturbing news.
Last night, the Holy Spirit kept prompting me to pray. I was really tired physically and mentally from a very long day. However, the Holy Spirit helped me to express my concerns when I obeyed. During my prayer time with God, I experienced extreme cold shivers going over me. I am not one for lending myself to 'experiences' but this is not the first time this has happened and I don't believe the shivers were anything to do with God. Each time I have been burdened in my soul about something and prayed in earnest, this has happened.
Even typing about this is giving me chills again... Can anyone help and explain why this may be happening? Appreciated.
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RE: Last night... - 11/8/2009 7:52:38 AM
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My hubby and I have been traveling through a storm for the past 27 months. We are faced with a situation where we are waiting the outcome of something which - without the Lord - I just don't want to think about! We are encountering a fresh storm on top of this! Just before this second situation arose, the thought that God would not give us more than we could bare kept coming in to my mind... and I was soon to find out why the Holy Spirit was bringing this to my thoughts when the next day I received a letter with disturbing news.
Last night, the Holy Spirit kept prompting me to pray. I was really tired physically and mentally from a very long day. However, the Holy Spirit helped me to express my concerns when I obeyed. During my prayer time with God, I experienced extreme cold shivers going over me. I am not one for lending myself to 'experiences' but this is not the first time this has happened and I don't believe the shivers were anything to do with God. Each time I have been burdened in my soul about something and prayed in earnest, this has happened.
Even typing about this is giving me chills again... Can anyone help and explain why this may be happening? Appreciated.
From your description, I take it that you do not attend a very charismatic type of church.
The "shivers" that you describe are pretty common among charismatics. I get them often when in praise and worship as well as when in a time of intense prayer. Not saying that I am right or wrong, but I have always taken them as the exact opposite of you-an indication that the Holy Spirit is with me and leading/guiding what I am doing.
I don't know if you have experienced the same thing when you have heard a song that moved you or something in life that was very dear to you-I have.
Most other charismatics that I discuss this type of stuff with have similar experiences and also view them as confirmations of the presence of God. I know of someone who calls them "Holy Ghost goosebumps" and I have seen (and experienced) physical goosebumps occur when those "chills" happen.
If it makes you uneasy, I might pray and ask the Lord what to do about it if I were you. Personally, I think it's you moving to a new level of communication with the Lord (based on everything that you have written, and also based on the fact that you say that you were in intense prayer at the time-I'm hard-pressed to believe that an evil spirit would be allowed close access to you at a time such as that). I of course may be wrong, so again, ask HIM what He wants to tell you about them-you may find the answer surprising.
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RE: Last night... - 11/8/2009 9:27:31 AM
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I will give my experience in this type situation. I was praying at a time when I had something like an electrical shock go through my body. I believe that to be the literal anointing of Gods Holy Spirit. I am not saying that what you experienced is this at all, but it could be. Just a thought.
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RE: Last night... - 11/8/2009 1:22:02 PM
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Having been around pentecostal and charismatic circles since the early 1960s, I would say that there are shivers and then there are shivers. Some are from the move of the Holy Spirit. They are very positive and encouraging. There are also those from the enemy and they are the scarey kind.
You should pray for the Lord to show you which you are experiencing at any given moment. Since you said you do not think they were from God, that leaves some kind of attack from the enemy, possibly connected with your ongoing struggles.
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RE: Last night... - 11/8/2009 3:47:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: Little_1
My hubby and I have been traveling through a storm for the past 27 months. We are faced with a situation where we are waiting the outcome of something which - without the Lord - I just don't want to think about! We are encountering a fresh storm on top of this! Just before this second situation arose, the thought that God would not give us more than we could bare kept coming in to my mind... and I was soon to find out why the Holy Spirit was bringing this to my thoughts when the next day I received a letter with disturbing news.
Last night, the Holy Spirit kept prompting me to pray. I was really tired physically and mentally from a very long day. However, the Holy Spirit helped me to express my concerns when I obeyed. During my prayer time with God, I experienced extreme cold shivers going over me. I am not one for lending myself to 'experiences' but this is not the first time this has happened and I don't believe the shivers were anything to do with God. Each time I have been burdened in my soul about something and prayed in earnest, this has happened.
Even typing about this is giving me chills again... Can anyone help and explain why this may be happening? Appreciated.
I am in agreement with DaveW. There are shivers and then there are shivers.
You have described your's as 'cold shivers', L_1. In my experience, 'cold shivers' were definitely a time when the demonic realm was battling and I was standing. I left the place of that encounter chattering like I had been in a deep freeze. The Lord drew back the curtain and 'showed me' the battle that was taking place in the heavenlies. It was not my battle to fight. I was to stand and pray. That is what I did.
He will fight for you, dear one. Bless you for standing and praying. I pray that He, our Father, would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in your inner man; so that Christ may dwell in your heart through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge that you may be filled up to all the fulness of God. Now to Him Who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory forever. Amen.
Standing with you, L_1. He will not forsake you. He hears our cries and I pray He hastens to answer you.   LL
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RE: Last night... - 11/8/2009 9:53:50 PM
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I've experienced sensations similar to what you have described. but I usually sense God is behind the sensations. I usually feel a bit chilly at the time. It's a strange sensation, but I've learned to pray silently when it begins for God to direct me. I know He's up to something when it happens.
There was one time when I was speaking to someone who was encouraging me to do something. As I listened to this person speak I began to get a very heavy, overbearing feeling come over me. I had never experienced this feeling before. I got the sense that God was telling me "No" to what this person was saying. It really disturbed me because it was so oppressive that I wondered at first if I what I was sensing was the enemy at work. It wasn't though. It was the Hand of God telling me in no uncertain terms "No". He was being very firm with me and I heeded His direction. I responded to the person that I was not going to do what she was suggesting I do. It was so strange a feeling, though. It was confusing to me but God led me to understand that He was behind the feeling, not the enemy. The enemy was speaking through the other person, though. God was protecting me from what she was saying, guiding me to stay on His path for my life.
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RE: Last night... - 11/9/2009 5:55:07 AM
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No explanations from me ... but here's a suggestion:
Praise God. Praise Him for allowing to happen what has been happening to you for the last 27 months. Praise Him for being in control of the situation on your behalf. Praise Him and acknowledge the fact that He is supreme over your life and that He would not test you beyond your capabilities and endurance.
God has brought you to where you are now; and He will surely see you through it. By praising Him always we open a channel for Him to turn our situation, however bad, to the good.
Since you first mentioned your difficulties sometime ago on these Forums, I have been praying for you and yours. I'm sure I'm not alone in doing this.
Others reading your post here will be drawn to praying for you. And these prayers are listened to by God who will, as always, respond in His time in His own way.
Remember how Joseph was sold to a travelling group of traders by his brothers. You know what he went through, and he could have given up on God at any time during his ordeals. But his Faith turned a bad situation into good for many who were saved during the seven years of famine.
God only knows why you're going through what you're going through. And He knows that with your Faith all will turn out well.
Take courage ... many are praying for you.
God bless you and yours.
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RE: Last night... - 11/9/2009 5:42:20 PM
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ORIGINAL: Little_1
My hubby and I have been traveling through a storm for the past 27 months. We are faced with a situation where we are waiting the outcome of something which - without the Lord - I just don't want to think about! We are encountering a fresh storm on top of this! Just before this second situation arose, the thought that God would not give us more than we could bare kept coming in to my mind... and I was soon to find out why the Holy Spirit was bringing this to my thoughts when the next day I received a letter with disturbing news.
Last night, the Holy Spirit kept prompting me to pray. I was really tired physically and mentally from a very long day. However, the Holy Spirit helped me to express my concerns when I obeyed. During my prayer time with God, I experienced extreme cold shivers going over me. I am not one for lending myself to 'experiences' but this is not the first time this has happened and I don't believe the shivers were anything to do with God. Each time I have been burdened in my soul about something and prayed in earnest, this has happened.
Even typing about this is giving me chills again... Can anyone help and explain why this may be happening? Appreciated.
I am in agreement with DaveW. There are shivers and then there are shivers.
You have described your's as 'cold shivers', L_1. In my experience, 'cold shivers' were definitely a time when the demonic realm was battling and I was standing. I left the place of that encounter chattering like I had been in a deep freeze. The Lord drew back the curtain and 'showed me' the battle that was taking place in the heavenlies. It was not my battle to fight. I was to stand and pray. That is what I did.
He will fight for you, dear one. Bless you for standing and praying. I pray that He, our Father, would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in your inner man; so that Christ may dwell in your heart through faith; and that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge that you may be filled up to all the fulness of God. Now to Him Who is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory forever. Amen.
Standing with you, L_1. He will not forsake you. He hears our cries and I pray He hastens to answer you. LL
Liveloved, whilst reading your response to my post, I had chills go through me again. I strongly believe that we are in a battle and that this battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and wickesness in high places... and as you have righty said, the battle belongs to the Lord... Thank you for your prayers - I appreciate you and I appreciate all who are praying for my family... thank you xx
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RE: Last night... - 11/9/2009 5:44:06 PM
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Thank you mvic... I appreciate your prayers... and yes - praise is good :D
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RE: Last night... - 11/9/2009 6:02:31 PM
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Having been around pentecostal and charismatic circles since the early 1960s, I would say that there are shivers and then there are shivers. Some are from the move of the Holy Spirit. They are very positive and encouraging. There are also those from the enemy and they are the scarey kind.
You should pray for the Lord to show you which you are experiencing at any given moment. Since you said you do not think they were from God, that leaves some kind of attack from the enemy, possibly connected with your ongoing struggles.
I agree Dave... however, although I did not believe these shivers were any kind of anointing from God, I was not afraid - it was as I began speaking Scripture out loud during my prayer time that these shivers started. My first reaction was to stop praying but during this 'happening', I could sense the Holy Spirit encouraging me to continue praying and speaking forth Scripture (which I did). I can't say it was a pleasant experience (because it was not) but the Holy Spirit did strengthen me in my spirit after this time in prayer. The more I think about it, the more I believe that something was doing its best to distract me during this particular time in prayer.
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RE: Last night... - 11/10/2009 6:41:37 AM
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The more I think about it, the more I believe that something was doing its best to distract me during this particular time in prayer. Yeah - that sounds right.
My college roommate once noted that the devil will send your way whatever will distract you from following the Lord - A girlfriend, a family emergency, a UFO, etc. So we are to keep our eyes FIXED on HIM.
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RE: Last night... - 11/10/2009 8:34:33 AM
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We cannot interpret precisely what thos eshivers are all about. I'm not sure how much it matters. Experiences during pryaer are never to become the main point. Have faith with shivers or shiverless. Ignore them because they do not add anything toyour faith. God doesnt speak through shivers, but through the Word of God.
All of us respond differently to the presence of god and some respond to the presence of the devil. These are only responses from within and since you could do nothing about them one way or another, dont allow them to become a distraction to the main thing. Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
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RE: Last night... - 11/10/2009 3:06:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
Having been around pentecostal and charismatic circles since the early 1960s, I would say that there are shivers and then there are shivers. Some are from the move of the Holy Spirit. They are very positive and encouraging. There are also those from the enemy and they are the scarey kind.
You should pray for the Lord to show you which you are experiencing at any given moment. Since you said you do not think they were from God, that leaves some kind of attack from the enemy, possibly connected with your ongoing struggles.
I don't know about this. If God wanted to communicate something to you via shivers (which I don't see a Biblical precedent for) then do you think that God would be so inarticulate as to make, not only the message, but the author unclear? When does it ever happen in the Bible that God gives someone direct contact, usually it's in the form of information, and they had any doubt that they were in communion with God? Never.
Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 14:6-9
Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played? And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air.
If God attempts, as many suggest, to communicate to his followers through such indistinct means that we're left wondering not only did God speak, but whether we got a message at all, I would say that goes against the simple principle Paul outlines in this passage. If the bugle call is indistinct, who will listen to it? It must be clear.
We all know how easily it is to work ourselves into an altered or emotional state. I don't believe I'm very suggestible at all, but I can't count the number of times that I have given myself the chills just thinking about a particular problem, or remembering a particular line of literature. The point is, if God has something direct and specific to say to you, he will say it a clear and unmistakable way. At least, that's the only model that I see given in scripture.
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RE: Last night... - 11/10/2009 3:11:10 PM
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We cannot interpret precisely what thos eshivers are all about. I'm not sure how much it matters. Experiences during pryaer are never to become the main point. Have faith with shivers or shiverless. Ignore them because they do not add anything toyour faith. God doesnt speak through shivers, but through the Word of God.
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RE: Last night... - 11/10/2009 3:19:14 PM
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Thats stange cos my experiences of when the Holy Spirit is strong on me are that of a warmth in my hands and body rather than a cold feeling. My hands always get warm, and it tends to spread.
I have ever experienced a feeling of being cold or shivery. I guess we are all different.
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RE: Last night... - 11/11/2009 5:19:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
Having been around pentecostal and charismatic circles since the early 1960s, I would say that there are shivers and then there are shivers. Some are from the move of the Holy Spirit. They are very positive and encouraging. There are also those from the enemy and they are the scarey kind.
You should pray for the Lord to show you which you are experiencing at any given moment. Since you said you do not think they were from God, that leaves some kind of attack from the enemy, possibly connected with your ongoing struggles.
I don't know about this. If God wanted to communicate something to you via shivers (which I don't see a Biblical precedent for) then do you think that God would be so inarticulate as to make, not only the message, but the author unclear? When does it ever happen in the Bible that God gives someone direct contact, usually it's in the form of information, and they had any doubt that they were in communion with God? Never.
Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 14:6-9
Now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, how will I benefit you unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or teaching? If even lifeless instruments, such as the flute or the harp, do not give distinct notes, how will anyone know what is played? And if the bugle gives an indistinct sound, who will get ready for battle? So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air.
If God attempts, as many suggest, to communicate to his followers through such indistinct means that we're left wondering not only did God speak, but whether we got a message at all, I would say that goes against the simple principle Paul outlines in this passage. If the bugle call is indistinct, who will listen to it? It must be clear.
We all know how easily it is to work ourselves into an altered or emotional state. I don't believe I'm very suggestible at all, but I can't count the number of times that I have given myself the chills just thinking about a particular problem, or remembering a particular line of literature. The point is, if God has something direct and specific to say to you, he will say it a clear and unmistakable way. At least, that's the only model that I see given in scripture.
I honestly do not believe God was trying to communicate anything to me via shivers! I don't believe the shivers were any kind of communication from God because God shows us through His Word how He communicates with mankind and it is certainly not through shivers!!!! My point was not "What is God trying to communicate?" but rather, I wondered if anyone else had experienced such and why did they believe such happened?
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RE: Last night... - 11/11/2009 5:22:36 PM
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Thats stange cos my experiences of when the Holy Spirit is strong on me are that of a warmth in my hands and body rather than a cold feeling. My hands always get warm, and it tends to spread.
I have ever experienced a feeling of being cold or shivery. I guess we are all different.
I do not for one minute believe God sent the shivers - I believe what I experienced was a demonic attack of some sort.
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RE: Last night... - 11/11/2009 5:25:39 PM
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We cannot interpret precisely what thos eshivers are all about. I'm not sure how much it matters. Experiences during pryaer are never to become the main point. Have faith with shivers or shiverless. Ignore them because they do not add anything toyour faith. God doesnt speak through shivers, but through the Word of God.
Well said.
I agree... God speaks through His Word. However, if you read my original post you will find that I am not wishing to 'interpret' what they mean - I don't beleive they mean anything in terms of a message - I do however believe they were a demonic attack which was aimed at scaring and stopping me continue in prayer. Praise God - we may have a mighty enemy and foes but God is ALMIGHTY...((( HALLELUJAH )))
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RE: Last night... - 11/11/2009 5:29:12 PM
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...We all know how easily it is to work ourselves into an altered or emotional state. I don't believe I'm very suggestible at all, but I can't count the number of times that I have given myself the chills just thinking about a particular problem, or remembering a particular line of literature. The point is, if God has something direct and specific to say to you, he will say it a clear and unmistakable way. At least, that's the only model that I see given in scripture.
Not that kind of chills Narcil... but thank you for trying to help... I appreciate you doing this. I am now content in my heart that what I experienced was a demonic attack. I know I have a mighty enemy but I also know that I have Almighty God who is my Protector and I need not be afraid.
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