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Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 7:11:39 PM
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cynthia
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Is the right of parents to homeschool a basic human right?
There are only two responses to this question.
Keep in mind that basic human rights can be taken away from people who commit criminal acts and parents who have been deemed unfit, such as drug mothers.
ETA for clarificiation: This discussion is in the HOME EDUCATION SUPPORT folder because this folder is for those who support homeschooling.
This is not about whether we think parents are qualified to teach their own children. The basic premise of this folder is that parents are qualified to teach their own children and have a right to do so. This thread is not for debate to discuss this issue amongst those who support homeschooling.
In the article I link in a following post, the issue of human rights was mentioned and it got me to thinking about homeschooling as a basic human right. I was wondering what others who are supportive of homeschooling have to say about this and to explore this issue together.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 7:13:33 PM
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cynthia
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Here is a link to the article that prompted this question.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 7:45:46 PM
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I would say that yes, the educating of one's children is a God-given responsibility. It would therefore be the parents' right to decide how and where that education will be accomplished.
ETA...that article is terrifying.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 7:51:02 PM
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cynthia
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I agree.
I think it is frightening that when our rights are taking away, we may be unable to meet our God given responsibilities.
We need to be praying for the families who have had their children removed due to homeschooling. I have heard of some terrible stories through HSLDA.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 9:31:04 PM
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Homeschooling is a privilege, not a right, since there is no connection between biologically being able to bear children and being able to properly educate them.
If it were so, then poverty and ignorance would have been erased eons ago rathern than repated from generation through generation.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 9:38:01 PM
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Yes. God gave children to PARENTS, not governments.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 10:14:26 PM
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cynthia
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I think it is a basic human right because parents are responsible for their children and in order to raise them up as they believe is right, they ought to be able to educate the children within the perimeters of their own beliefs rather than having the children taken away from them for a government education. Even though Germany does not allow homeschooling, they do allow private school, however, only those who can afford private school have that option, otherwise, they are forced to send their children to public school. German public schools are much worse than they are here as far as immoral indoctrination.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/18/2009 10:31:56 PM
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I believe that as a parent it is my right to choose how to educate my children. God gave these children to my husband and I. He also gave us a responsibility to educate them in not only His Word but in Him.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/19/2009 6:01:11 AM
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Basic human rights are granted by God, not government. IOW, every aspect of life is the responsibility of the individual. We don't have a 'right' to health care, home ownership, an automobile, or even food. You provide these things for yourself by earning them. Education is another asset you provide for yourself, and according to the Constitution, it is not the government's job to force anyone into any school of any kind.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/19/2009 10:01:34 AM
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Yes, all humans everywhere have the right to care for their children according to their own conscience.
This would mean the right to home school, the right to feed them a vegan (or any other) diet, the right to take your children to participate in religious and civic services and ceremonies, the right to provide a certain style of clothing for your children according to your conscience, the right to train and discipline your child according to your conscience, etc.
But basic human rights of parents to direct the upbringing of their children must be balanced (here in the US) with the rights that government guarantees for all citizens: right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Here in the US that means that the government must ensure every child has access to an education: hence home school laws that vary from state to state.
Also, whatever diet and clothing you provide for your child must be adequate for health, training and discipline must not be damaging to your child's health, hence federal and state child welfare laws.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/19/2009 12:25:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: shadowspring
Here in the US that means that the government must ensure every child has access to an education: hence home school laws that vary from state to state.
Also, whatever diet and clothing you provide for your child must be adequate for health, training and discipline must not be damaging to your child's health, hence federal and state child welfare laws.
This is the crux of what I am asking. If homeschooling is a good thing that most parents can do, which is a basic premise agreed upon in this folder and this thread, then does that equate to a basic human right? And if it does, then how can we justify the government having any say in the education of our children anymore than they do in any other private matter such as clothing and food?
This is something I have struggled with in watching some parents who I think have not really educated their children at all. The reason I did not get involved is because I believe that parents have a responsibility to raise up their children as they see fit, baring physical abuse or neglect. In believing that it is a basic human right not only to homeschool, but to direct the education of our children, I don’t think the government has a right to interfere in those private decisions and to give any input into what that should look like. I don’t think there should be any laws on education. People should be able to homeschool, send their kids to the neighbors to be educated, send their children to private school or public school where it is available. But that choice and how it is implemented should be up to the parent, not the government.
If homeschooling is not a basic human right, then the government owns us. They can make laws forcing us to send our children to school and learn what the government thinks they ought to learn whether it violates our conscience or not.
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe there is an in between, but I am becoming more convinced that parents need to be help responsible, not the government. Government doesn’t have a soul. The rulers are not really leaders, they are power seekers. The more power they have, the less liberty we have. But if people do not stand up and take responsibility for themselves and their families, we will only lose more power to control our own destiny.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/19/2009 12:40:25 PM
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When G-d gave children, He gave them to us as parents to rear according to His Torah, not to the State to rear according to its own mandates. There is no place throughout the Bible that says that we are to turn our children over to others for their education, unless we fully trust in that entity.
We are responsible to rear our children according to the Bible, which means according to what G-d desires in His own. This does not mean that we turn our children over to strangers who may be teaching our children any number of ideologies which we will regret!
The material for education is out there now more than ever. If a parent feels the need to home-school, they should do it.
I tried home-schooling myself, when the public school system in Minneapolis, which I had fully trusted, very seriously failed my daughter. We had little in the area of resources, but I tried. When the authorities came after me, I put my daughter in a Baptist school in order to make them back off. That school was great, but I wish I had home-schooled both her and her younger brother. Rather, from there, they ended up in the system, where every night, when they came home, I had to "unteach" them so much.
We are responsible for our children's spiritual well-being. The public school system cares mainly about molding children into pawns of the State. It is a rare teacher that bucks that and teaches the students, instead, to either love G-d or to think individually.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/19/2009 7:31:12 PM
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cynthia
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When the government takes over basic of child rearing decisions, it takes away the right of self determination of family life and puts it in the hands of the government.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/20/2009 6:14:37 AM
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Yep, I agree.
Should start with parent first.
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/20/2009 11:09:38 AM
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shadowspring
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The Supreme Court has already settled on the "least-restrictive means" test to balance the state's obligation to ensure each citizen has access to education and a parent's right to direct the upbringing of their children.
And the state may not care what style clothes your children wear, or what you feed them, but the state does have a vested interest in making sure that they do eat and aren't forced to go around naked or insufficiently protected from the elements.
But as to whether or not any person is obligated to report a neighbor to the authorities for any reason, legally the answer is "no". If I see someone commit a crime, I am not legally obligated to report it.
I may feel morally obligated, but I am not legally obligated.
I have seen only one family that I would consider grossly negligent in their child's education, and yet they are in full compliance with the home school laws in their state, so they are not doing anything illegal. It is merely a matter of educational philosophy, one which I really have no right to intervene in because, as the saying goes, it ain't over till it's over.
While I think it horrendous that a twelve year old can't read, he may learn to read yet. (They are unschoolers.) He also knows a lot of things my children don't about building houses, fixing cars, and living "off the grid". Who am I to say that he is not being educated properly?
On the other hand, I do favor state guarantees of an education to all comers. I do not think it all against God's law for the state to step up and say "our citizens are entitled to some basic services from government, and education is one of them". I don't think government school should be the only option, but I very much favor the state's insistence that every child have access to an education.
(We are just finishing up a study of the Gilded Age, and I for one would hate to go back to the days when 6 yr olds were sent off to work to help support the family. )
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RE: Is homeschooling a basic human right? - 11/20/2009 9:34:51 PM
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I would say that it is a God given right because God has given you the children and to raise them according to the way He wants us to raise them. But on the other hand it is a privilege not to be taken for granted. As we know from news stories, we do not always have the government's support on ways that we choose to raise our children. Although it should be a basic human right there are alot of places in the world that do not allow it.
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