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You want to discuss whether it's OK to discuss

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

certain festivals, food or things like that mentioned in Col. 2:16?

It says, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in repsect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-

Maybe I'm not clear on the context of this verse, but it seems like we're to allow others to do as they pleas without quesiton. Am I understanding this correctly or not?

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The errors that the Colossians were entertaining very clearly related to vain human
philosophy, and likely also Gnostic and/or Jewish-Gnostic mystical beliefs (2:8). These cleverly
crafted ideas were able to infect the Colossians and were causing them to question the Divinity, if
not also the Messiahship, of Yeshua. Paul had to admonish the Colossians for these errors, while at
the same time encouraging them for the journey that they had already undertaken by receiving
Yeshua into their lives and being transformed by Him (1:22-23). Colossians 3 issues instructions to
this congregation to get back on the proper course of faith in gratitude toward God.
It is painful to say, but there are sectors in today’s Messianic community that have errors
present that are similar to many of the errors that the Colossians embraced. There are those who
do not know what to do with Yeshua the Messiah because they have been influenced by the ideas
of Jewish mysticism and try to find a so-called “hidden” level behind every facet of Scripture.
Rather than growing in the love and grace of the Lord, such individuals are instead influenced by
outside forces that will take them down some dangerous paths. In these sectors, Paul’s letter to the
Colossians has a message that is often, sadly ignored.

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Many Christians quote Colossians 2:16, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day,” as meaning that Believers should not honor these things. But in order to come to this conclusion we must conclude that these things are “empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Messiah” (Colossians 2:8), which is what the Apostle Paul warns us about. Surely, the Lord’s festivals are not vain human traditions or deception. Colossians 2:16 must be taken as meaning that we should not allow others to judge us for celebrating His feasts and obeying His commandments, as opposed to not let them judge us for not celebrating them.

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Does the New Testament
Annul the Biblical Appointments?

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Many Christians quote Colossians 2:16, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day,” as meaning that Believers should not honor these things. But in order to come to this conclusion we must conclude that these things are “empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Messiah” (Colossians 2:8), which is what the Apostle Paul warns us about. Surely, the Lord’s festivals are not vain human traditions or deception. Colossians 2:16 must be taken as meaning that we should not allow others to judge us for celebrating His feasts and obeying His commandments, as opposed to not let them judge us for not celebrating them.

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

So this verse is not saying we shouldn't discuss why or why not a believer choose to celebrate one day or another?

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

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Many Christians quote Colossians 2:16, “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day,” as meaning that Believers should not honor these things. But in order to come to this conclusion we must conclude that these things are “empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Messiah” (Colossians 2:8), which is what the Apostle Paul warns us about. Surely, the Lord’s festivals are not vain human traditions or deception. Colossians 2:16 must be taken as meaning that we should not allow others to judge us for celebrating His feasts and obeying His commandments, as opposed to not let them judge us for not celebrating them.

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That's why no law of a feast or sabbath (Mosaic or rabbinical) can hold you accountable to the penalties connected with not keeping those things prior to Christ when we were still under the (penalties of) law.

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So this verse is not saying we shouldn't discuss why or why not a believer choose to celebrate one day or another?

Right. You are free to have a discussion about it, in order to understand, but you shouldn't try and convince those who are participating in the feasts that they are in error.

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However, if one is sincerely presenting what they believe the Scriptures are teaching and is willing to take part in a dialog on the subject, it is not only acceptable talk with them, it is commanded that we do so.

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However, if one is sincerely presenting what they believe the Scriptures are teaching and is willing to take part in a dialog on the subject, it is not only acceptable talk with them, it is commanded that we do so.

Yes, this is part of what I'm talking about, but is it worth it?

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Wormhole alert!

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ORIGINAL: Bluethread

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ORIGINAL: stampinlady

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However, if one is sincerely presenting what they believe the Scriptures are teaching and is willing to take part in a dialog on the subject, it is not only acceptable talk with them, it is commanded that we do so.

Yes, this is part of what I'm talking about, but is it worth it?

Do you think Adonai would command us to do something that is not worth while? Oh, that's right, you are asking whether one should discuss whether one should do something Adonai has commanded. Wormhole alert!

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ORIGINAL: ChainSaw

I really don't sense a secret agenda in her question. She's not the one pressing on the fabric of the wormhole between whether or not we should discuss the matter and the actual content of that discussion.


There really is a time when a discussion about the law should not be indulged.


Titus 3:
9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.


I've learned the only real way to avoid making a discussion about the law decay into an unprofitable and useless argument is to glean the spiritual principles of the law and avoid trying to nail the details of the acceptable literal way that God wants it fulfilled.

It's amazing how impossible it is to fill in all the gaps and 'what ifs' if you insist on a letter for letter, literal understanding of the law and the division that causes. It keeps lawyers busy but it adds nothing to the fulfilling spiritual life God intends for his people. The Jews to this day are still caught in their endless debate on the proper way to keep the law literally to God's complete satisfaction and have missed the more important message that the literal only points to and which are only shadows of the reality of Christ (vs. 17). So you can argue the literals, or you can see how they shadow Christ. Few arguments come out of that way to discuss the law.

So, there is a time to shut the discussion down when talk about the law degrades into useless literal details and the judging of one another that comes along with that. Stick witht the greater spiritual truths represented in the law and you'll have few reasons to end a discussion about the law.