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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2008 4:43:20 PM
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then true forgiveness would not be saying ok fine I forgive you, but go away and I never want to see you or speak to you again. That isn't the type of forgiveness that Christ illustrates towards us, and to me isn't true forgiveness at all.
HA! You know very well that isn't what I said. 
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I'm saying that your position that it is idiotic to reconcile with someone who comes to you on their knees begging for forgiveness is not christlike and is not the spirit that He taught us to exhibit. To most people it is idiotic to get yourself nailed to a cross for someone elses lawless deeds, but to God this is true love, mercy, grace, and forgiveness. From a selfish unregenerate human point of view a lot of things Christ taught seem foolish like loving your enemies and turning the other cheek, but this is the agape love that He illustrated and that He bestows upon His children.
Again, you are misrepresenting what I did say. God gave us brains and I really think we ought to use them. If a diseased, repentant spouse came back and begged for reconciliation that included ALL the benefits of marriage, I think someone would have to be an idiot to expose themselves to the health risks.
I'm asking you, do you insist that reconciliation is required in the circumstances I described? If the abandoned spouse agreed to reconciliation but refused the physical benefits of marriage to the wayward spouse in order to remain disease-free, would that be acceptable to you? What if the wayward spouse refused conditional reconciliation? Who is the hardhearted sinner in that scenario?
I am just really trying to understand how exactly this interpretation of yours plays out in practice.
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I'm not hearing that same posture from you.
Huh. Not sure what saying things so that you like them has to do with the question I've asked you.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2008 5:48:14 PM
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Divorce was allowed for reasons of sexual immorality.
I thought Jesus said not to cast stones...using the very example of an adulteress.
And not to seek revenge, to turn the other cheek. To give grace/mercy, love and forgive as many times as we have to...
Wouldn't that cause Him to contradict Himself and His very nature that we are to reflect?
You are right, keepingfaith, He did. We are to be like Him....
We are not called to bring our mates consequences but to allow God to do His work, while remaining faithful to Him ourselves. When we put ourselves up at the judge, jury and jailer, we error and take on a role that is not ours.
A sinning spouse needs our prayers!
Greetings,
Keeping….You seem to be confusing the words… quote:
using the very example of an adulteress
Jesus did not use an example of “an” he used an example of the adulteress, because when it comes to Spiritual Truths…. when the adulteress left His presence she was no longer an adulteress…
As the scriptures says….
Jhn 8:11
1161 She said 2036 , No man 3762, Lord 2962. And 1161 Jesus 2424 said 2036 unto her 846, Neither 3761 do 2632 0 I 1473 condemn 2632 thee 4571: go 4198 , and 2532 sin 264 no more 3371.
As we all should know.... the Biblical opposite of condemnation.... is forgiveness…. and since “no man” including that women who is part of (mankind) …since that women herself did not condemn even her own self…then there was absolutely “no man” to condemn her....as the women said,
Therefore neither did Jesus condemn her,
Now she if she had been a witness against her own self then she would not have been forgiven...sort of resembles the tactic used by those on the other side in this thread by their unbiblical views of Christianity.
So the adulteress was forgiven, because there was no witness and if Jesus did not condemn, then He forgave.
Even throughout the rest of the scriptures concerning that woman we see that when the adulteress left His presence, she was no longer an adulteress… because she was forgiven and it was reflected throughout the rest of the scriptures.
There was “no backward motion” in that verse for the women to go and fix all that was in the past in order to be forgiven of her past by the Lord, so the very example of an adulteress is not biblically correct because the forward motion said ….”go 4198” , and 2532 sin 264 no more 3371. ….
.”go 4198” a) to pursue the journey on which one has entered, to continue on one's journey
So she was not following that path of an adulteress when she left.
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We are not called to bring our mates consequences….
A sinning spouse needs our prayers!
What do think happens when we pray for unbelievers? LOL!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2008 7:01:58 PM
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Again, you are misrepresenting what I did say. God gave us brains and I really think we ought to use them. If a diseased, repentant spouse came back and begged for reconciliation that included ALL the benefits of marriage, I think someone would have to be an idiot to expose themselves to the health risks.
I'm asking you, do you insist that reconciliation is required in the circumstances I described? If the abandoned spouse agreed to reconciliation but refused the physical benefits of marriage to the wayward spouse in order to remain disease-free, would that be acceptable to you? What if the wayward spouse refused conditional reconciliation? Who is the hardhearted sinner in that scenario?
I don't think I'd encourage someone to intentionally contract an uncurable disease no. It sounds to me like you are trying to think of rationalizations for not adhering to God's commandments by making up abnormal circumstances where it may be pragmatic to not follow them. None of this has anything to do with divorce and certainly doesn't justify remarriage, so I don't know why you're trying to lead the discussion down this rabbit trail. I can only tell you what His word says, and if you're not one of those to whom it has been given to accept it then don't accept it.
If a spouse repents and seeks reconciliation then the christlike thing to do is to reconcile with them and show them the love and grace that He shows us. If they insisted on exposing me to a deadly disease then I would have to seriously wonder what kind of psychopath they were and whether they really were repentant rather than vindictive. In answer to your question I would tell them that I am willing to forgive them and reconcile with them to show the love and grace of Jesus Christ which He bestowed on me, but I'm not going to willingly contract a deadly disease that they picked up though their rebellion against Him.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/3/2008 8:14:50 PM
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I don't think I'd encourage someone to intentionally contract an uncurable disease no. It sounds to me like you are trying to think of rationalizations for not adhering to God's commandments by making up abnormal circumstances where it may be pragmatic to not follow them.
Not trying to think up rationalizations and those circumstances are, sadly, far from abnormal and, in truth, very common. Like I said, I just want to know to what you tell people in real life.
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None of this has anything to do with divorce and certainly doesn't justify remarriage, so I don't know why you're trying to lead the discussion down this rabbit trail.
But it's part of what you propound, isn't it? You were fine discussing it all day, what happened?
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I can only tell you what His word says, and if you're not one of those to whom it has been given to accept it then don't accept it.
Gee, Sealed, that seems kind of brusque and unchristlike. 
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If a spouse repents and seeks reconciliation then the christlike thing to do is to reconcile with them and show them the love and grace that He shows us. If they insisted on exposing me to a deadly disease then I would have to seriously wonder what kind of psychopath they were and whether they really were repentant rather than vindictive. In answer to your question I would tell them that I am willing to forgive them and reconcile with them to show the love and grace of Jesus Christ which He bestowed on me, but I'm not going to willingly contract a deadly disease that they picked up though their rebellion against Him.
Okay, just to clarify, you climbed my frame for saying someone would be an idiot if they exposed themselves to STDs, but you can call a repentant spouse who wants to completely and totally reconcile in every conceivable way a psychopath? Just checking. 
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/4/2008 10:36:08 AM
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Well there seems to be a Spiritual misconception with Mr. Piper, he does not seem to be speaking the word of God, as he calls mystery a parable and the parable of the relationship between Christ and his church…. and then associates it to a teaching of Paul….
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Paul calls it a mystery and these lead in two very different directions and are 2 very different things, Mr. Piper does not seem to be speaking the word of God but uses the “I” word most graciously.
You will know them by there fruits!
Although I don't agree with John Piper's views on marriage and divorce, I do respect them, and the fruit of Piper's Ministry is clearly evident.
When one condemns the ministries of men like John Piper by stating that "he does not seem to be speaking the word of God", or similarly ministries of men like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Tyndale, Westley, etc., etc., etc. simply because they don't agree with this unique view of divorce and remarriage, the fruits of that belief system are also clearly evident, and it is a fruit of which I don't want any part. The condemnation of Piper is especially telling because his beliefs about divorce and remarriage are almost the same as those on this forum, but because they are not exactly the same i.e. he is gracious with those who hold to a different point of view, he is also condemned as a heretic by those on this forum who hold to "no remarriage ever" point of view. The condemnation by this group of almost all Christians who disagree with them is really a reflection of their fruit; one that is clearly poisonous.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/4/2008 10:39:26 AM
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/4/2008 11:09:51 PM
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We are not called to bring our mates consequences….
A sinning spouse needs our prayers!
What do think happens when we pray for unbelievers? LOL!
Loyal Gypsy
When we pray for unbelievers, we seek for God to remove their blindness, so they can see their need for repentance and receive forgiveness. That is not the same as suing them.
Perhaps you are equating prayers with consequences. I am speaking of "meting out consequences" to someone by doing things to bring suffering to them, financially, relationally, practically, legally, on and on.
I contrast that with praying for God's will to be done in their life, and we can know that if they are running from God and His ways, that He is not wanting any to perish but all to come to a saving knowledge of Him.
I don't pray for unbelievers "God, get 'em! And make 'em pay" I pray, " Lord please convict them of sin, righteousness and judgement, as Your word says, so they can see the truth and the truth can set them free. And they don't deserve it, forgive them and transform them to walk with YOu and be fulfilled in You".
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/7/2008 11:04:03 PM
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Well there seems to be a Spiritual misconception with Mr. Piper, he does not seem to be speaking the word of God, as he calls mystery a parable and the parable of the relationship between Christ and his church…. and then associates it to a teaching of Paul….
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Paul calls it a mystery and these lead in two very different directions and are 2 very different things, Mr. Piper does not seem to be speaking the word of God but uses the “I” word most graciously.
You will know them by thier fruits!
Although I don't agree with John Piper's views on marriage and divorce, I do respect them, and the fruit of Piper's Ministry is clearly evident.
When one condemns the ministries of men like John Piper by stating that "he does not seem to be speaking the word of God", or similarly ministries of men like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Tyndale, Westley, etc., etc., etc. simply because they don't agree with this unique view of divorce and remarriage, the fruits of that belief system are also clearly evident, and it is a fruit of which I don't want any part. The condemnation of Piper is especially telling because his beliefs about divorce and remarriage are almost the same as those on this forum, but because they are not exactly the same i.e. he is gracious with those who hold to a different point of view, he is also condemned as a heretic by those on this forum who hold to "no remarriage ever" point of view. The condemnation by this group of almost all Christians who disagree with them is really a reflection of their fruit; one that is clearly poisonous.
Greetings,
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When one condemns the ministries of men like John Piper by stating that "he does not seem to be speaking the word of God", or similarly ministries of men like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Tyndale, Westley, etc., etc., etc. simply because they don't agree with this unique view of divorce and remarriage, the fruits of that belief system are also clearly evident,
Correct, Jesus said He would rather us be hot or cold, a unique view falls closer to adding or subtracting which leads people into ditches, and we all know what happend to Joseph, and depending from which angle one views it, he was either sold or bought($$) into slavery.
IMO a unique view is not a Bibical view...
Prehaps you could be clearer and give us an explain what Mr Pipers signifiance is between the parable of one "flesh" union to Christ and the Church?
For example:
I mean anyone can quote scripture, but Jesus told us the reason why He speaks in parables…
In Mat 13:11 ….He answered and said unto them, “Because it is given unto you to know” the “mysteries” of the kingdom of heaven, “but” to them it is not given.
Notice the verse above is not worded “Because it is given unto you to know” the “PARABLES” of the kingdom of heaven …which would be in contradiction Pauls teaching in 1Cr 13:12
1Cr 13:12 even says in part we know, therefore, so if in part we know…. and a parable knows nothing… that is also a contradiction
So to continue…
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: = revealed truths
but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away “even” that he hath.
Prehaps the Lord was sending a message to him, pastors sometimes have a habit of ignoring things like that
So to reiterate Jesus definition of what and why is the purpose of the parable…He said…
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because …they…. “seeing”… see not; …and hearing they hear not, …neither do they understand.
...IMHO ...God is not the author of that confusion, what is gleaned from cornors of Pipers unique view IMO is a suggestion ....is that there is no understanding of that named parable, but that we should take Mr Pipers word as the gospel?? Correct?
...however once it is understood is it not no longer a parable?.....but a Mystery....as Paul said, and Jesus said, “Because it is given unto you(US) to know” the “mysteries”
What is actually being expressed as unique is simply a poor choice of words... IMO to bring into captivity those who know no better in which there is an abundance, but that has been going on for thousands of years with religious folks.
Unless I am misunderstanding the likness ....ill stick with what Paul and Jesus said and continue to listen to the voice of truth.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/8/2008 10:35:17 AM
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then true forgiveness would not be saying ok fine I forgive you, but go away and I never want to see you or speak to you again. That isn't the type of forgiveness that Christ illustrates towards us, and to me isn't true forgiveness at all.
HA! You know very well that isn't what I said.
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I'm saying that your position that it is idiotic to reconcile with someone who comes to you on their knees begging for forgiveness is not christlike and is not the spirit that He taught us to exhibit. To most people it is idiotic to get yourself nailed to a cross for someone elses lawless deeds, but to God this is true love, mercy, grace, and forgiveness. From a selfish unregenerate human point of view a lot of things Christ taught seem foolish like loving your enemies and turning the other cheek, but this is the agape love that He illustrated and that He bestows upon His children.
Again, you are misrepresenting what I did say. God gave us brains and I really think we ought to use them. If a diseased, repentant spouse came back and begged for reconciliation that included ALL the benefits of marriage, I think someone would have to be an idiot to expose themselves to the health risks.
I'm asking you, do you insist that reconciliation is required in the circumstances I described? If the abandoned spouse agreed to reconciliation but refused the physical benefits of marriage to the wayward spouse in order to remain disease-free, would that be acceptable to you? What if the wayward spouse refused conditional reconciliation? Who is the hardhearted sinner in that scenario?
I am just really trying to understand how exactly this interpretation of yours plays out in practice.
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I'm not hearing that same posture from you.
Huh. Not sure what saying things so that you like them has to do with the question I've asked you.
Please note that "a deceased, repentant spouse" is forgiven by God. If she/he is forgiven of God, then why cannot the other spouse take her/him back? If a normal spouse contracts a disease during her/his marriage life, do you want that diseased spouse to be driven out of the house? In this sin-sick world, there is no guarantee that a spouse can remain free of sickness.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/8/2008 11:29:24 PM
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(QuoteCoeurDeLeon)As to the reconciliation issue ~ hypothetically, if a person commits adultery, abandons their spouse, divorces and then goes on to become involved with multiple other partners, the ex-spouse would have to be an idiot to reconcile and be exposed to whatever STDs the unfaithful one has come into contact with.
Do remarriage=adultery proponents believe that reconciliation is optional or is it mandated according to your interpretation? How would this scenario play out in real life? Would reconciliation be dependent upon medical testing and a clean bill of health? Would the innocent one be accused of hardheartedness and sin if he/she refused reconciliation without it?
When you think about real life, it's ridiculous. The innocent one continues to be punished through no fault of his/her own. It is extreme man-made legalism.
Greetiings CoeurDeLeon,
You appear to find solace for adultery in your logic regarding reconcilation.
Adultery is legally a capital crime punishable by death.
Jesus taught that remarriage-this-side-of-death is adultery: remarriage = adultery.
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Before any Christian attempts to solve the problems of "reconcilation" (STD, etc) that Christian must first minister to solve the sin-problem of the crime of adultery. The innocent partner is vital to the resolution of the sinning partners crime of adultery. I believe that God requires the sinner to "fully" repent ... this includes a face to face confession of repentance to the violated partner and to God Himself and this includes restitution. Forgiveness precedes possible reconcilation; it is not reconcilaiton. Forgiveness and cleansing permit possible reconcilation.
Therefore the innocent Christian partner should love their sinning partner as Christ loved the Church and GAVE Himself for it. The innocent partner has a similar mission as Christ's; that is to provide the full hope of Salvation to the sinning partner. Once God's heavenly forgiveness, cleansing, and Salvation has been manifest in the guilty adulterous partner then full reconcilation can be explored. To rebuild the broken house may require a labor of love, and Yes, that may include some serious conditions. But full Salvation of the marriage must ALWAYS remain possible. That door should never be shut. God's offer of Salvation remained until almost the last breath of that repentant thief on the other cross. The union of the sinner with Christ and union of husband of wife are of the greatest mystery Eph.5.
The problem you and other divorce-remarriage advocates have is that you remove the "landmark": Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. By permitting divorce and remarriage you are teachng just the opposite: Thou shalt commit adultery ... for the second marriage-this-side-of-death is nothing more that what Augustine called: "Adulterous-Marriage. Martin Luther opposed divorce and remarriage to the point that he preferred "polygamy". You can't have it both ways ... you cannot have remarriage-this-side-of-death without adultery.
Those of us who teach remarriage = adultery have a compassion to be used by the Lord to SAVE the lost. Yes, we believe that Ex. 20:14 clearly states: Thou shalt not commit adultery. That is the ONLY LEGALISM in our doctrine of forgiveness-salvation-reconcilation.
Luk 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/9/2008 7:46:17 AM
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Please note that "a deceased, repentant spouse" is forgiven by God.
I am aware of that. Thanks. 
(although, if they're deceased, it really doesn't matter anymore, does it? )
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You appear to find solace for adultery in your logic regarding reconcilation.
Nope. I don't need to find solace for anything. But thanks for your concern.
Not only are we not to discuss our own personal situations, I wouldn't deign to do so here, so none of you know the extent to which I walk out my faith, forgiveness and grace in this matter. The hypothetical situation I asked about was just that, hypothetical. Please do not make assumptions about me, my situation or my walk with Christ.
I ask the questions I do to get a better understanding of exactly what you all tell people in real life when they come to you with the situations I've described. You could simply answer the questions rather than jumping to conclusions.
If I were a remarriage=adultery trainee and didn't know what to tell someone who was in the same situation I described about reconciling and providing full marital benefits, what would you tell me to tell them? What black-and-white/this-is-what-you-have-to-do advice would you have me give them?
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/9/2008 8:27:54 AM
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When God sent his son to die for me he forgave all of my sins and for got them. As a Minister/Evangelist I face that question a lot because I to am divorce and remarried. There have being some churchs that want let me come and preach in church because of that, which thats fine, its not going to stop me from doing what God called me to do. But look what David did, the woman at the well and many others, so here is what I say about this question. DAVID, DAVID did ask for given's of his sins.
The Past is Past so Lets get past it, To many people in this world that are lost and we need to tell them about Jesus.
It sames that from what I have said here as got some folks upset and if I did hurt you in anyway I am sorry. I am also sorry that you do not beleve the way that I do and you have that right, but I know with all my heart that I am saved and born again and God has for given me of my sins, and if you still feel that way when I get to HEAVEN I will ask Jesus about this issue and if you are in heaven with me then we both will get the right answer but who ever is right I am going to stay in heaven, if you want you can do as you see fit if he lets you.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/9/2008 6:51:44 PM
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ORIGINAL: LoyalGypsy
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We are not called to bring our mates consequences….
A sinning spouse needs our prayers!
What do think happens when we pray for unbelievers? LOL!
Loyal Gypsy
When we pray for unbelievers, we seek for God to remove their blindness, so they can see their need for repentance and receive forgiveness. That is not the same as suing them.
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A sinning spouse needs our prayers!
Greetings,
Lu 11:2
So He said to them, "When you pray, say: "Our" Father in heaven, Hallowed be "Your" name. "Your" kingdom come. "Your" will be done On earth as it is in heaven.
Since there is no blindness in Heaven then the only other option is that the
"Spiritual blindness" was removed from that man in John 9 “WHEN"... He answered for "himself,"(=Gods Will) and received revelation….. “One thing I know:” that though I was blind, now I see."
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When we pray for unbelievers, we seek for God to remove their blindness,
Where is that written... I mean that God caused blindness? I can not seem to find it....
And the orders of things are quite different in Lu 4:18
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According to those words...there are no references in the Gospel scriptures that God caused blindness, let alone, via our will, for Him to remove it
That is a bit confusing IMHO!
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/10/2008 7:50:31 PM
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We are under the NEW COVENANT. Under the NEW COVENANT we must REPENT of our sins and TURN AWAY from them, CONFESS Jesus Christ as the only begotton Son of God--that He IS Lord. We cannot use the OT as a gauge for righteousness now, as these men and women were bound to the law of Moses. We who claim Jesus Christ claim a standard HIGHER than the law. We have a different requirement.
We are to forgive the offender just as Christ does. We are able to reconcile when the offending spouse has repented (turned away from his/her sin). If we truly have the heart of Christ--and the returning spouse as well, we will love our spouse unconditionally. Which means, a truly repentant spouse who has seen the error of his/her ways and filled with the love of Christ will not want to infect their spouse. Likewise, they would not want to infect anyone else as they would be hurting that individual. We are to be self-less, not selfish. The returning spouse who demands the continuation of sexual relations, knowing that they have a disease is NOT evidencing the love of Christ toward their partner.
But I've heard (admittedly on t.v. ads) that STDs and HIV/AIDS can be managed; so that individuals can resume marital relations. However, if one truly loved their spouse--I cannot see ever wanting to put them at risk of any sickness.
For us who believe in Christ we have a higher standard--it is the one that Christ laid out, when He referred to God's creation of man and woman as one flesh. This predates the Old Covenant--and as indicated by Jesus Christ in the NT this is how it will be in this covenant. We must follow this no matter what.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/10/2008 9:08:13 PM
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preachervern
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Thanks for the info cadz I have my own.
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But look what David did, the woman at the well and many others, so here is what I say about this question.
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Check out my FAQ concerning the woman at the well and David
Frequently Asked Questions, Comments and Arguments about Marriage Divorce & Remarriage
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/10/2008 9:17:09 PM
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preachervern
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It sames that I might have broke a rule and post on this form about my personnel life, what I said was a testimony and to me that is something in the past and is no more. So if I did wrong I am sorry do what you must do.
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RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread - 2/10/2008 9:27:52 PM
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(QuoteCoeurDeLeon)As to the reconciliation issue ~ hypothetically, if a person commits adultery, abandons their spouse, divorces and then goes on to become involved with multiple other partners, the ex-spouse would have to be an idiot to reconcile and be exposed to whatever STDs the unfaithful one has come into contact with.
Do remarriage=adultery proponents believe that reconciliation is optional or is it mandated according to your interpretation? How would this scenario play out in real life? Would reconciliation be dependent upon medical testing and a clean bill of health? Would the innocent one be accused of hardheartedness and sin if he/she refused reconciliation without it?
When you think about real life, it's ridiculous. The innocent one continues to be punished through no fault of his/her own. It is extreme man-made legalism.
Greetiings CoeurDeLeon,
You appear to find solace for adultery in your logic regarding reconciliation.
Adultery is legally a capital crime punishable by death.
Jesus taught that remarriage-this-side-of-death is adultery: remarriage = adultery.
Mar 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Before any Christian attempts to solve the problems of "reconciliation" (STD, etc) that Christian must first minister to solve the sin-problem of the crime of adultery. The innocent partner is vital to the resolution of the sinning partners crime of adultery
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Adultery is legally a capital crime punishable by death.
Jesus taught that remarriage-this-side-of-death is adultery: remarriage = adultery.
First there are 3 other Gospel accounts to lesson the confusion….the scripture says in verse 10
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