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And if you measure everything by the law, then you must live by the law, take up your cross, accept Christ's grace, and walk in love with a heart of flesh as He promised those who follow Him would have.

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divorce has only one exception,said by the Son of God;Yahusha;math.19;9 adultery of the wife,and only if there is not true repentance.Wife is tide for life,regarless;rom.7.2.Sorry for them,but it is God`s word and will.Because women was made for men, NOT the way around

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ORIGINAL: GrannyofSix

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It is not for us to know if a person decides to sin willing that they will enter the kingdom of God. Put off the deads of the flesh,,, if you continue in Him you have security...."See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not excape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less shall we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven" heb 12:25 See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God: that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble. go back to your first love. are you going to sin willfully after you have recieved the truth? "Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith, examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you- unless indeed you fail the test?" 2 Cor 13:5.

So, in other words, you do not believe in Eternal Salvation, that once a person is saved, they can not lose their salvation?

You didn't answer my question. You skirted around it. Would a born-again Christian go to Hell if they divorced (woman) and remarried (both man or woman)?

It's a simple question and there are only two possible answers: Yes or No.

Many posters here have condemned divorcees to Hell and remarried Christians to Hell with all kinds of scriptures, but they don't go together if you believe OSAS.

Does God forgive sins or not? Does He forget our sins after He forgives them or not? Does He place them as far as the East is from the West or not? If Yes, then they do not exist.

And finally, WHY do people look at Divorce/Remarriage as though it is a sin that can not be forgiven but allow for all other sins to be? Even murder - which is taking a life that can never be restored.

I am not arguing because I have my own beliefs that I have not expressed here. I am just challenging people to speak plainly with Biblical scriptures to back up what they say.

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ORIGINAL: cadz

These studies may help with these questions

Divorce/Remarriage is Not the Unforgivable Sin
Divorce & Remarriage Before Salvation
The complete marriage divorce FAQ

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ORIGINAL: WhiteDove747

There's this Pastor that I have tremendous respect who is one among those upholding the faith that once married, always married and remarriage of divorce people is nothing but plain adultery so that the other person in the next marriage is also an adulterer even though he/she is single who marries a divorced man/woman.

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My question to him was that didn't Paul said that while it is best to live alone (or be single), yet it is better to get married than burn with lust. So, does the divorce man/woman rather burn with lust (which is also a sin) than re-marry after the first marriage failed? Besides, "genuine marriage" is not really all about sex and sensuality but companionship - lasting companionship as many, if not all, of us want. The Pastor did not give me an explicit answer; meanwhile he has single female members of his congregation who were getting older, living alone and lonely just because of what they've been taught and influenced.

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My question to him was that didn't Paul said that while it is best to live alone (or be single), yet it is better to get married than burn with lust. So, does the divorce man/woman rather burn with lust (which is also a sin) than re-marry after the first marriage failed? Besides, "genuine marriage" is not really all about sex and sensuality but companionship - lasting companionship as many, if not all, of us want. The Pastor did not give me an explicit answer; meanwhile he has single female members of his congregation who were getting older, living alone and lonely just because of what they've been taught and influenced.

I think a lot more about a particular situation should be understood before condoning a remarriage.

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ORIGINAL: WhiteDove747

My question to him was that didn't Paul said that while it is best to live alone (or be single), yet it is better to get married than burn with lust. So, does the divorce man/woman rather burn with lust (which is also a sin) than re-marry after the first marriage failed?

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My question to him was that didn't Paul said that while it is best to live alone (or be single), yet it is better to get married than burn with lust. So, does the divorce man/woman rather burn with lust (which is also a sin) than re-marry after the first marriage failed? Besides, "genuine marriage" is not really all about sex and sensuality but companionship - lasting companionship as many, if not all, of us want. The Pastor did not give me an explicit answer; meanwhile he has single female members of his congregation who were getting older, living alone and lonely just because of what they've been taught and influenced.

I think a lot more about a particular situation should be understood before condoning a remarriage.

What about a situation like this-
A woman that was divorced because of adultery (the husband). Because she believed that she could not be remarried, she lived with a man for 6 years and had a child out of wed-lock with him. Then ended up not staying with him because of physical/mental abuse caused by alcoholism and drugs.
It is this type circumstance that happens all the time and it is very sad.

I believe she should have been able to get married again and should have been taught that under certain conditions remarriage is NOT sin. But she was not taught that at first.
Any opinions on a situation like this?

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ORIGINAL: Jaimediaz

divorce has only one exception,said by the Son of God;Yahusha;math.19;9 adultery of the wife,and only if there is not true repentance.Wife is tide for life,regarless;rom.7.2.Sorry for them,but it is God`s word and will.Because women was made for men, NOT the way around

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ORIGINAL: Isaiah331516

what i find interesting:

that sin explicitly addressed and identified by Jesus himself is so readily excused because....we don't really want to live as He says

some say "don't judge me" well, maybe you are not being judged by people...maybe the truth is being spoken and it comes against what you believe/do. consider.

little analagy: shall we not speak of other sins bc doing so may hurt someone's feelings or put them off? what if someone continually stole from a church? shall no one say anything, but stand off and pray only?

huh?

many sins are easier to identify as sin bc we judge them and see their ill effects.

thievery
lying
homosexuality

all too often, bc we don't "see" how something could be wrong (remarriage) we say it must be okay. isn't it interesting that this is done even though Christ himself said it was adultery?

do we recognize that God's ways are higher than ours? He does not decide how to judge us, and He will judge us, based on what we felt we should be judged according to, does He?

one may not feel remarriage is adultery, but that doesn't change what Jesus said.

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1) While this woman's church may have contributed in small way to the situation that lead her to her choice to sin, the choice to sin was entirely hers and not caused by her church. The kind of reasoning here is just like that of Adam's when he was confronted about his sin. i.e. he blamed everyone else for his sinful choice. Remember he said "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." (Gen 3:12 NAS) While I don't have enough information about this woman's situation to know if reconciliation was a possibility in her situation, I do know that living with someone outside of marriage is ALWAYS wrong.

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2) Remarriage may have been a valid option, but reconciliation with her husband may have been a better option. While I do believe that it is clear in Scripture that adultery is a valid reason for divorce and remarriage, I don't believe God ever intended it to be a "free ticket" out of a marriage; divorce is NEVER REQUIRED in the case of adultery. Divorce (I believe) should only be the result when there is truly no option for reconciliation. That doesn't mean that adultery, abuse, etc... should be in any way condoned. Sometimes situations arise in marriage where separation is required; however, there should be a commitment to the marriage and the other spouse until there is clearly no possibility (not the same as desire) of reconciling the marriage. When we consider Paul's instructions regarding "burning with lust", we must take into consideration the whole situation i.e. there are times that a spouse leaves a marriage for unbiblical reasons leaving behind a spouse who desires to reconcile with them. Should a church remarry this spouse to someone else so that they don't "burn with lust?" The answer to that question is clearly, NO!

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ORIGINAL: Isaiah331516

what i find interesting:

That sin explicitly addressed and identified by Jesus himself is so readily excused because....we don't really want to live as He says

some say "don't judge me" well, maybe you are not being judged by people...maybe the truth is being spoken and it comes against what you believe/do. consider.

little analogy: shall we not speak of other sins bc doing so may hurt someone's feelings or put them off? what if someone continually stole from a church? shall no one say anything, but stand off and pray only?

huh?

many sins are easier to identify as sin bc we judge them and see their ill effects.

thievery
lying
homosexuality

all too often, bc we don't "see" how something could be wrong (remarriage) we say it must be okay. isn't it interesting That this is done even though Christ himself said it was adultery?

do we recognize That God's ways are higher than ours? He does not decide how to judge us, and He will judge us, based on what we felt we should be judged according to, does He?

one may not feel remarriage is adultery, but That doesn't change what Jesus said.

:) I stand in agreement. Love you.

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who is going to dig through these complex and complicated situations and sit as judge and jury over divorced people who are hurting and decide if indeed they can be remarried and everything was tried and etc etc etc.....

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Of course reconciliation is better, but lots of times not possible.

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Few churches today are so harsh and most women have the sense to leave them if they are. What if they PRAYED for her rather than condemn her?

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ORIGINAL: gmcspice

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1) While this woman's church may have contributed in small way to the situation that lead her to her choice to sin, the choice to sin was entirely hers and not caused by her church. The kind of reasoning here is just like that of Adam's when he was confronted about his sin. i.e. he blamed everyone else for his sinful choice. Remember he said "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." (Gen 3:12 NAS) While I don't have enough information about this woman's situation to know if reconciliation was a possibility in her situation, I do know that living with someone outside of marriage is ALWAYS wrong.

This woman perished and committed more sin due to her lack of knowledge. What does this mean? that the pastor IS responsible as well as other elders for their misinformation. I am not condoning the woman's sin BUT the lies told by the church contributed tremendously to her sin.

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2) Remarriage may have been a valid option, but reconciliation with her husband may have been a better option. While I do believe that it is clear in Scripture that adultery is a valid reason for divorce and remarriage, I don't believe God ever intended it to be a "free ticket" out of a marriage; divorce is NEVER REQUIRED in the case of adultery. Divorce (I believe) should only be the result when there is truly no option for reconciliation. That doesn't mean that adultery, abuse, etc... should be in any way condoned. Sometimes situations arise in marriage where separation is required; however, there should be a commitment to the marriage and the other spouse until there is clearly no possibility (not the same as desire) of reconciling the marriage. When we consider Paul's instructions regarding "burning with lust", we must take into consideration the whole situation i.e. there are times that a spouse leaves a marriage for unbiblical reasons leaving behind a spouse who desires to reconcile with them. Should a church remarry this spouse to someone else so that they don't "burn with lust?" The answer to that question is clearly, NO!

I forgot to mention that reconciliation was impossible because the adulterous husband MARRIED the woman he cheated with after the divorce. So it would be impossible.

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And I disagree with you on this point Benelchi. TO burn with lust is the prerequisit to sin. It is what is in the heart that causes sin. So, it is BETTER that she or he marry than to commit the sin of fornication. The one sin that is against the self and temple of God.
In the event that the one spouse leaves for unbiblical reasons, the spouse that wants to reconcile but cannot because of the other spouse not wanting to, should be allowed to get married again as long as they have biblical reasons. Burning with lust happens to be one of them. It should not be the only reason for remarriage but it is certainly part of it. Marriage was created to PREVENT sexual fornication and loneliness not just for procreation.

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Advocating that one marry rather than "burn with lust" does not in any way advocate that marriage is an option for someone who otherwise would be biblically uneligible for marriage. Paul was simply pointing out that to remain single with the hope of being more "spiritual" while "burning with lust" was not a good option; this is not a case of one "sin" being better than another "sin." If it is a sin for a particular person in a particular circumstance to remarry then this Scripture does not given them "permission" to ignore God's standards for marriage.

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should we also point out other sins or just remarriage after divorce> Jesus mentioned a whole lot of sins!

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ORIGINAL: benelchi

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should we also point out other sins or just remarriage after divorce> Jesus mentioned a whole lot of sins!

A church that was ONLY concerned about the sin of divorce and unconcerned with any other sin would not be interested in the welfare of their members. A church should be teaching and encouraging their members to walk in godliness in every aspect of their life.

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Can you reason the "law of the husband" 1 Cor 7:39 NKJV from Greek and Rom 7:2 and Paul saying the woman is bound to the husband "as long as he lives"? There is only one good reason. There is only one reason, the woman is tied to the man as long as he lives even after a divorce. Therefore she must "remain unmarriaged or reconcile with her husband" :) Love you guys, michael

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should we also point out other sins or just remarriage after divorce> Jesus mentioned a whole lot of sins!

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What I find interesting is That you two(mike and Isaiah) really believe That this is a sin That can't be forgiven OR That you think it is bigger than other sin.
With God sin is sin is sin. No matter what it is. It is all the same in his eyes. That is why he sent his son, Christ to die one time for our sins to whom ever repents in the heart and with the mouth.
Not to mention That you both believe That God is so small That he would not forgive the sin of Remarriage when God did it himself.
Or That you think from what you say That Christ is NOT sufficient enough to remove the sin of divorce and remarriage so that anyone who is remarried MUST divorce to prove they are forgiven. That is NOT biblical OR what Christ said.