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Your wrong this time, and I'm not alone here. Jer. 3:14 states it very clearly:Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you.

This He said, After He (poetically) put them away.

How did you miss this?

hudkfinn

A quick check of just one other version would reveal the difficulty inherent in your argument. Here is this same verse from the NASB.

'Return, O faithless sons,' declares the LORD; 'For I am a master to you, And I will take you one from a city and two from a family, And I will bring you to Zion.' (Jer 3:14 NAU)

While it is true that sometimes the root "Ba'al" used in this passage can refer to a husband, often it refers simply to a master or owner i.e. the owner of a hotel is a also a "Ba'al"; this is also the name of the false God in the OT.

Additionally, God himself has declared that the restored Israel won't be called a Master/"Ba'al" but instead he will be called a "husband" Ho. 2:16

Another use of the "many" so called versions being employed to support speculative semantics, false teachings ... God is the husband of Israel, was the Husband of Israel, and will be the Husband of Israel regardless of your personal opinion to deny that truth. God never forsook Israel ... He patiently awaits their return and restoration.

This is the version I used when I looked it up:

ùÑåáå áðéí ùÑåááéí ðàíÎéäåä ëé àðëé áòìúé áëí åì÷çúé àúëí àçã îòéø åùÑðéí îîùÑôçä åäáàúé àúëí öéåï

and

åäéä áéåíÎääåà ðàíÎéäåä ú÷øàé àéùÑé åìàÎú÷øàéÎìé òåã áòìé

If you would like to stop quoting from one of the "many" translations, and stick to the original text, I am open to hearing you try to explain the false claim you have made. I have bolded the relevant parts of these verses.

Mr. Benelchi,

The Hebrew scholars I enjoined for the English translation of Jer. 3:14 are 400 years your senior, and held in honor by a nation and it's king. Your personal translation may be wanting in comparison and does little to prevent subject semantics.

2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

All for His Glory ... huckfinn

First of all, I did not offer you a "private interpretation", I quoted from the NASB; however, if you believe that using an older translation gives a translation more authority then here is the same verse from the Geneva Bible, a bible a little older than the one you quoted from.

"O yee disobedient children, turne againe, sayeth the Lord, for I am your Lord, and I will take you one of a citie, and two of a tribe and wil bring you to Zion, (Jer 3:14 GNV)"

The reality is that even the KJV translators would have avoided the mistake of using this verse to support the doctrinal statement you have made.

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evry.... thanks for your post... it demonstrates how serious the issue of divorce is.

I think though, that the pain stems from divorce, not just the marriage after.

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Lol, funny.

I'm a woman. My parents are still married, my in-laws are still married, I'm very happily married (all first marriages), and I'm not obsessive about this one and only subject. And I may present my view occasionally on here as this *is* the divorce and remarriage thread, but honestly I don't care what anyone else thinks or does. That's between them and God, and it's not up to me to change any-one's mind. But I am free to post my opinion on MDR in a thread that is devoted to the subject.

Thank the Lord your family isn't riddles with divorces. You are so blessed, my sister
But You should never say You don't care nor that it isn't your responsibility because if You are in Christ, You are your brothers and sisters keeper; The word of God says so.
Yes, we are free to post our opinion. It becomes an issue when it is more about our opinion than what God says. We must be balanced not tossed to and fro. Feet planted firmly in God's word of truth. We have to established sound doctrine.

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yes but I wouldn't consider your views as out of balance(from what I can remember). and you are not one of those who rarely, if ever, posts on any other subject.
I have to say though that my views on divorce and remarriage based on what I read in The Bible were the same before my own divorce as they are now, and that is that under certain circumstances God allows divorce.

By the way if you have no divorces in your family you are truly blessed. I have loads in mine.(Most of them caused by affairs).

Amen !!
My family is half and half. Some divorced because of adultery or physical abuse others were able to overcome and stay together. I have seen God work any many ways to fix and restore marriages to people around me in general.
In the end none of us will ever really understand why God works the way he does sometimes, but isn't it wonderful how it always works out for our good and God's glory

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I don't mean that I don't care about people - I do mean that I'm going to present what I think, but not get into a debate that raises my blood pressure and causes me to get all het up about something, when really it's between that person and God. You see, the problem with debating is that people are on here to change the 'other' camp's mind on the issue, and fair enough, but I've had enough experience in life to realise that unless a person is truly seeking your opinion on something, then they're probably not interested in hearing it anyway, and to try and 'force' or 'prove' to a person why they should agree with you, just doesn't work. So yes, I care, but am not naive enough to think that forcing a person to accept a view other than their own, will work.

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I don't mean that I don't care about people - I do mean that I'm going to present what I think, but not get into a debate that raises my blood pressure and causes me to get all het up about something, when really it's between that person and God. You see, the problem with debating is that people are on here to change the 'other' camp's mind on the issue, and fair enough, but I've had enough experience in life to realise that unless a person is truly seeking your opinion on something, then they're probably not interested in hearing it anyway, and to try and 'force' or 'prove' to a person why they should agree with you, just doesn't work. So yes, I care, but am not naive enough to think that forcing a person to accept a view other than their own, will work.

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Benelchi,

You are "fully" aware of the academics that see God speaking metaphorically (poetically) to His wife, Israel, in Jer. 3:1.

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You have "confessed" in earlier posts that you have personal difficulties with the "abomination" of Deut. 24:1-4. You are also knowledgable of the fact that the context of Deut.24:1-4 "primarily" deals with the prohibition of a certain remarriage that was an abomination.

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In Jer. 3:1 we have God requesting that He and Israel commit that abomination. That should be "enough" to persuade for a symbolic metaphor; and that God "never" divorced His beloved wife, Israel. I believe that those who take this view, including myself, have a perfectly legitimate right to do so; and that honest academics would support my right to take this view, even is they see it otherwise. I am personally disturbed by your insistence to see yourself as the only correct person in a debate.

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For example, I may not be divorced and remarried, but if I tell people they're wrong to be that way, then I'd better make sure that I'm not a complainer, liar, cheat, thief, bitter or resentful, disrespectful to my own husband, bad mother to my children, etc etc. There's no point me picking specks out of other peoples' eyes when I may have a whole forest in my own, which I will be accountable for before God...

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I don't mean that I don't care about people - I do mean that I'm going to present what I think, but not get into a debate that raises my blood pressure and causes me to get all het up about something, when really it's between that person and God. You see, the problem with debating is that people are on here to change the 'other' camp's mind on the issue, and fair enough, but I've had enough experience in life to realise that unless a person is truly seeking your opinion on something, then they're probably not interested in hearing it anyway, and to try and 'force' or 'prove' to a person why they should agree with you, just doesn't work. So yes, I care, but am not naive enough to think that forcing a person to accept a view other than their own, will work.

Just to carry on where I left off (as I didn't have the time earlier)...

I'm not entirely untouched by divorce...my SIL (professing Christian) is remarried and probably about to leave that marriage, my cousin was divorced by the age of 21, now living with someone else, my aunt is remarried...though my cousin and aunt are most definitely not Christians.

The other thing that God has really been showing me lately, is that before I tell someone else they've got it (whatever *it* happens to be) wrong, is that I'd better make pretty sure that I'm up to scratch myself.

For example, I may not be divorced and remarried, but if I tell people they're wrong to be that way, then I'd better make sure that I'm not a complainer, liar, cheat, thief, bitter or resentful, disrespectful to my own husband, bad mother to my children, etc etc. There's no point me picking specks out of other peoples' eyes when I may have a whole forest in my own, which I will be accountable for before God...

However, that doesn't change what I think about MDR, but it does just push me to remember that there is a real live person sitting on the other side of what I write, and that they have feelings, emotions, issues, backgrounds etc etc.

So I *try* to respectfully state what I think, all the while praying that God will renew my own heart and mind daily so that I become more conformed to the image of his Son.

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No but they do mention adultery, at least I Cor. 6. I Corinthians 5 mentions immorality. Now if you take it that remarriage constitutes adultery , and adultery is immoral, then you should understand.

However, the bible doesn't say that ALL remarriage is "adultery", nor does it ever say that marriages that began adulterously remain continually adulterous forever. Even the early church did not teach that repentance required divorce. What the bible does clearly say (Du. 24:1-4) is that someone who has divorced and remarried another may not divorce again and return to their first spouse. And this biblical teaching is almost universally ignored by those who teach that all remarriages require divorce for repentance.

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For example, I may not be divorced and remarried, but if I tell people they're wrong to be that way, then I'd better make sure that I'm not a complainer, liar, cheat, thief, bitter or resentful, disrespectful to my own husband, bad mother to my children, etc etc. There's no point me picking specks out of other peoples' eyes when I may have a whole forest in my own, which I will be accountable for before God...

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Is it 'OK' to marry again after divorce? Of course. Besides, not my business anyway.

Is it 'OK' to be "anything" after divorce? "See above"

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For example, I may not be divorced and remarried, but if I tell people they're wrong to be that way, then I'd better make sure that I'm not a complainer, liar, cheat, thief, bitter or resentful, disrespectful to my own husband, bad mother to my children, etc etc. There's no point me picking specks out of other peoples' eyes when I may have a whole forest in my own, which I will be accountable for before God...

noted.

question for you:

if someone you loved were stealing or commiting homosexual acts or if someone were abusing your daughter...would you say anything then especially if they came to? you still have that log in your eye as do i. it is interesting though isn't it how we will say some things to some people and not other things.

would you tell someone that murder were wrong? would you tell someone that idolatry is wrong? if you were in a discussion where someone asked you to take a stand or to present what you believe, what would you say? we are in a forum that's existence is for us to discuss 1)what the Word says about issues and 2)sometimes people put in what they believe regardless of the Word.

when we are told to not even keep company with some

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

...you must recognize that they are an fornicator, etc. despite the log in your eye. recognizing and realizing we are not perfect does not mean we are to not have wisdom or discernment. we can call sin sin and do so in love.

love y'all

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Is it 'OK' to marry again after divorce? Of course. Besides, not my business anyway.

Is it 'OK' to be "anything" after divorce? "See above"

where does Jesus say this?

btw, isn't it your business? you are a child of God, and God's Word applies to you. right?

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I would not tell someone that divorce and remarriage is wrong if they were cheated on, as that isnt what the Bible says. Also I would NEVER tell anyone that they must divorce their second spouse and go back to their first spouse becuase the Bible tells us that IS wrong.

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I would not tell someone that divorce and remarriage is wrong if they were cheated on, as that isnt what the Bible says. Also I would NEVER tell anyone that they must divorce their second spouse and go back to their first spouse becuase the Bible tells us that IS wrong.

neither would most if not all of the world and most of the church.

the Bible does not saying 'divorce' from and adulterous realtionship is wrong. the remarriage is adultery not marriage as one flesh. the Bible does say remarriage is adultery..and the Bible also says we should not commit adultery.

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their is a distinction between women and men to God and therefore to us who love Him. God said man is to be head over the woman. that doesn't get switched around and neither does this. the man is the head of his wife until he dies, this is also why a widow can remarry as stated in the Bible.

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I would not tell someone that divorce and remarriage is wrong if they were cheated on, as that isnt what the Bible says. Also I would NEVER tell anyone that they must divorce their second spouse and go back to their first spouse becuase the Bible tells us that IS wrong.

neither would most if not all of the world and most of the church.

the Bible does not say 'divorce' from an adulterous realtionship is wrong. the remarriage is adultery not marriage as one flesh. the Bible does say remarriage is adultery..and the Bible also says we should not commit adultery.