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herestoresmysoul -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/2/2009 5:51:24 AM)

Benelchi
Yes those false doctrines that you quoted of are indeed from the pits of hell. Any one who teaches then will have a lot to answer for one day including being responsibe for the marriages that they destroyed.I wouldnt want to be in their shoes.



tkc300 -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/2/2009 2:25:34 PM)

I am a single mother of three children my husband left me 4 1/2 years ago twice. He was / is on steriods, and now is in a gang. I hate divorce God hates divorce, yes i wish i could have salvaged my marriage and did try, yet I believe God used my divorce to protect me and my children. We live in a enviorment now to which I can teach them right from wrong there is no cussing fighting and no one coming home at 2 am drunk. He commited adultery not just with a high school sweetheart but also with one of my tumbling parents and also one of my employees. I am currently engaged to a wonderful GOD fearing man who is wonderful to my kids and myself. I can only speak for myself when I say this. The scripture is there and I follow what it says and how the spirit directs me, when you have a close relationship with GOD i think you can understand, yet you who are saying this is not allowed how do you know other than what the scripture said! so read it again it said EXCEPT for the one who has commited adultery. Do not judge us whom have been dealt heartache, how do you know the Lord does not hold us close, as I do! God has guided my footsteps and lead me to heal with him through my divorce. Understand no person on the face of this earth wants this to happen yet as demonstrated in romans 8:28 He knows the plans he has for me and as a christian no man can guide me, except through the scripture, which is my job not yours to say I am wrong for wanting a Godly marriage after the first marriage was disolved



herestoresmysoul -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/2/2009 2:55:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tkc300

I am a single mother of three children my husband left me 4 1/2 years ago twice. He was / is on steriods, and now is in a gang. I hate divorce God hates divorce, yes i wish i could have salvaged my marriage and did try, yet I believe God used my divorce to protect me and my children. We live in a enviorment now to which I can teach them right from wrong there is no cussing fighting and no one coming home at 2 am drunk. He commited adultery not just with a high school sweetheart but also with one of my tumbling parents and also one of my employees. I am currently engaged to a wonderful GOD fearing man who is wonderful to my kids and myself. I can only speak for myself when I say this. The scripture is there and I follow what it says and how the spirit directs me, when you have a close relationship with GOD i think you can understand, yet you who are saying this is not allowed how do you know other than what the scripture said! so read it again it said EXCEPT for the one who has commited adultery. Do not judge us whom have been dealt heartache, how do you know the Lord does not hold us close, as I do! God has guided my footsteps and lead me to heal with him through my divorce. Understand no person on the face of this earth wants this to happen yet as demonstrated in romans 8:28 He knows the plans he has for me and as a christian no man can guide me, except through the scripture, which is my job not yours to say I am wrong for wanting a Godly marriage after the first marriage was disolved


tkc
Praise God for your wonderful godly man that you have met.
I too divorced my husband for his serious sexual sins and to protect my children. I too met a wonderful godly man and married him 4 years ago. GOd clearly directed us to be together, as I am sure He has done for you also. Praise God for men who are prepared to be dads to our chidlren when theirs is no longer around.My husband is a BRILLIANT dad to my children.They have learnt to trust men again because of him, and 2 of them have come to Christ through him.Praise God.
I have never had a moments doubt that we should be married,and am 100% at peace with God about it. I thank Hm every day for what He has done in my life and I thank Him also for what he is doing in yours.
God Bless. I pray that your marriage will be as good as ours is.



Kath -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/2/2009 7:09:13 PM)

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keepingfaith -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/6/2009 5:47:22 PM)


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You miss the point. Your many words and proliferate multi-language quotes throughout this thread seemingly profound your words and confuse simple issues to the easily impressed, by obscuring simple truths. The woman so described in the discussed passage in Matthew 5:32 that is deemed to be in adultery upon remarriage after divorce was not one who was divorced because of "pornia," whatever it means.


Now I understand why Jesus said, "Praise you Father, that you've hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and have revealed them to babes." and scripture speaks of those who are "ever-learning, but never coming to knowledge of the truth."

Luke 16:18
"EVERYONE who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery."

Pretty simple huh?

God doesn't contradict Himself, and using honest and proper hermeneutics we have to take ALL of God's Word, not just cherry-pick and isolate verses. No statement He makes, makes any other statement untrue. We can strain out a gnat and swallow a camel to make the Bible say anything we want it to say. Paul and Jesus taught a clear and consistent message, and any doctrine allowing for remarriage makes them contradict each other as well as themselves.

These statements are unconditionally true, just as Luke 16:18 is.

1cor7:39
A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Romans 7:2-3
"For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man."

Pretty straight forward. As long as our first covenant spouse is still breathing, we are still bound (married) to them.

2 Tim 4:2-4
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."



herestoresmysoul -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/6/2009 7:05:09 PM)

As I have previously said ask 20 different Christians they will tell you 20 different things based on the same few passages and they ALL think they have the only truth and they all leave out the verses that dont fit in with their particular theories.
I keep saying go to the women at the well where Jesus recognised ALL of her marriages, ALL of her husbands as being her husbands and thus all of her divorces as ending the previous marriage.Its so clear its wonderful in its simplicity.



gmcspice -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/9/2009 7:45:39 AM)

Keeping, WHY do you look at the verse from Luke BUT not the verse from
Matthew?

Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery

You can't pick and choose. You MUST accept what all scripture has to say.
Duet. 24 says this

Deuteronomy 24
1When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

2And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

3And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and Sennett her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

4Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD


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God doesn't contradict Himself, and using honest and proper hermeneutics we have to take ALL of God's Word, not just cherry-pick and isolate verses. No statement He makes, makes any other statement untrue. We can strain out a gnat and swallow a camel to make the Bible say anything we want it to say. Paul and Jesus taught a clear and consistent message, and any doctrine allowing for remarriage makes them contradict each other as well as themselves.


But isn't that what you just did in your post by ignoring the scripture I and others have posted on this very subject many many many many many many times?

Face the fact that God FORGIVES!!!!!! Anything !!!!!! but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!!!!!! and that divorcing a 2nd, 3rd, etc spouse is NOT what absolves you of your sin.
Remember that God says we are not to judge. That we are not to hold a person's past sins against them and that IF we do this we are in really BIG trouble with God for it.



huckfinn327 -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/21/2009 9:30:40 PM)

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(Quote Gmcspice) "Keeping, WHY do you look at the verse from Luke BUT not the verse from
Matthew?

Matt. 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery



Greetings gmcsice,

Let me ask you a question? ...

Jesus said, "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Marriage means the two become ONE flesh UNTIL THE DEATH OF ONES FLESH... What therefore God hath joined together let not man put asunder ... Jesus ENDED his doctrine of marriage with the words ... "Let NOT man put asunder."

How can anyone or any other Scripture Divide (Divorce a Marriage) that which God has made ONE FLESH?



gmcspice -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/23/2009 1:23:49 PM)

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How can anyone or any other Scripture Divide (Divorce a Marriage) that which God has made ONE FLESH?


Well, you ask me this question so I will give you the answer.....GOD!
Jesus is God right? Right!
And what did Jesus(GOD) say about divorce?
He said none except for fornication.
What is Jesus' (GOD's)definition of fornication?
Fornication is a serious offense to God. Look at how many times he allowed Israel to fall because of fornication.
Fornication rips a covenant apart and can literally destroy it.
Think on what God says about fornication very hard. Ponder on it and you will see why God said "except for fornication."



gmcspice -> RE: Remarriage After Divorce - One Stop Thread (11/23/2009 1:42:16 PM)

By the way, Huck, except for the fact that our body is the temple of the Lord, when is God really interested in anything that is flesh when he say that the flesh profits nothing?
He even said if we can control our flesh for us not to even be married because we would be more worried about what our spouse wants than pleasing God.
Even when people are married, they must still put God first.
And our relationships should not be just about flesh. They are about the Spirit of God and God is love! God created marriage to temper fleshly lusts and as an earthly example of the Spiritual relationship we should have with him.
As two become one in flesh when married, so should we become one with God in the Spirit. So was God really talking just about the flesh becoming one in marriage? Nope, he was addressing something far deeper and complex. And no, I am not saying the only reason God created marriage is to prevent fornication because it isn't but it is supposed to help.
I am not telling people not to get married. I am not telling people to divorce. I am telling people it is between them and God.
God has called us to peace and since we are in Christ we no longer should even bare any burdens. Jesus yoke is easy and his burdens are light.
And if you think anything we do can fix a situation like divorce and remarriage, you are sadly mistaken. God can fix anything that is wrong in our lives. He can correct any problem that needs fixing. We certainly can't fix ourselves.
To place a burden on our fellow Christians because of their tainted past is not only wrong but it is showing lack of faith in God by saying that knowingly or unknowingly God can't fix everything and God doesn't forgive everything. The Bible is very clear on the fact that God there is no sin too big for God to forgive. No mistake that he can fix and make right.
Remember that love is kind, patient, long-suffering and does not judge.



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