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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2009 11:08:31 PM
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the_mom
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I can't bring myself to quote some recent, extremely long threads. So, I hope readers will catch on to which posts I am referring.
First, it is the height of condescension and pretension to begin one's response with the formula "ah-fill-in-the-blank." This formula implies from the outset that the writer intends to make the subject of his "ah" seem childish, foolish, and less intelligent than the writer. I have read many posts on this thread, and there are many very intelligent people posting here. Some are even intelligent and loving.
The "ah" prefix to a really long post could also be a signal for sarcasm to follow. But whatever it is, the use of the "ah-fill-in-the-blank" denigrates the subject.
Second, I asked my pastor once how we can tell legalism from obedience. His answer was that legalism occurs when God's law is applied without love.
I was going to go into a long statement about how that applies to this subject, but I think I will just say it again:
When God's law is applied without love. Without love. Without love.
Sometimes, it seems like the longer the post, the more the statements are without love.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/10/2009 1:06:42 AM
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the mom.....i do agree. Haughty and judgemental attitudes and playing God are certainly not loving or helpful. To assume that divorced Christians all are attempting to justify it is plain arrogance on the part of the one suggesting that. I dont know of any divorced Christian who has enjoyed the experience and is "for" it. I just ignore such. They simply dont have love. And we know what Jesus said about that.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/10/2009 9:27:23 AM
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Wow that certainly was an arrogant and extreemly judgemental and condescending post indeed 3 posts ago. I thank God that HE has compassion and love and understanding.
Divorce is NOTactually in itself a sin, and no where does the Bible say it is. It is what CAUSES the divorce that is sad and sinful such as severe abuse, adultery, sexual immorality , abandonment etc.Ths one who sins is the one in the wrong.
There are those who divorce for purely selfish reasons, but in my experience they are definately in the minority. Also there are those whose spouse divorces them for no Biblical reason. Not a lot they can do about that is there, whether they want the divorce or not. This happened in my husbands case. Others only divorce as a LAST resort after many many years of trying and others who have to divorce for their own safet or their children safety as in the family that I mentioned where the dad was sexually abusing his children.
There are some here who need to go to God and allow Him to fill them with His love and get rid of such arroganct and condescending attitutes. sad sad sad.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 12:44:56 AM
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divorce is such a cop out unless a person is gettting out of an adulterous marriage (noncovenant marriage).
some say it is the only option. that is not true. it just isn't-that is what makes it a cop out.
what about waiting, relying on God, trusting God to change all involved, trusting and relying on God to change a heart or two. these are big orders...to trust God when our heart is broken or feels no longer alive. do we believe God will allow something we cannot handle without Him? He desires us to live according to His word and once we live our lives for Him we will be tried and tested.
remember that Job said "though He slay me, yet i will trust Him." this is how we are to trust Him - not knowing if we will see Him turn things around or when and even until we die. this may mean we are to keep praying for our wayward husband not seeing any chance of reconciliation or restoration in sight. if saw the way or made the way without God's awesome hand which is not of our understanding..then it is of us and not of Him.
the restoration of a totally broken covenant marriage (non adulterous) that no one on earth can see a light in is just the situation God wants us to have faith in Him for that He can and will change things for the glory of His kingdom.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 1:40:32 AM
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So instead challenging my position with a substantive counter I am derided as being "legalistic" (nothing could be further from the truth by the way), arrogant and more. Yes, we do need to love and support those who are in the divorce process, are divorced, or are remarried. But that love is not some sort of sugar coated sweet treat like some sort of spiritual cake covered in whipped cream! With only one exception, and that is ONLY one exception, divorce is sin and remarriage is adultery. We know that un-confessed sin separates us from God and that in order to call our sin something other than sin requires that we justify it and explain it as something else. Yet it is still sin and the only scriptural prescription for dealing with sin is to confess it and receive God's forgiveness. Then and only then are you truly free to follow Paul's admonition of forgeting what lies behind and pressing on to attain the high calling. By not putting it plainly on the table because you don't want someone to feel bad you are in fact helping them to rip themselves off because they can't enter into and walk in the fullness of who God has called them to be. But this mindset that allows, and even facilitates divorce in the lives of Christians reduces the church to nothing more than an eclectic club that mirrors the world and makes a joke of "be in the world but not of it". It is just another example of how the church has perfected the art of lip service and makes a mockery of what our Lord did on the cross. If we are to be serious about our calling then we must recognize that calling for what it is - to be wholly and completely saturated with God's nature and attributes. And if God forgives even spiritual adultery in his bride and ALWAYS RECONCILES then even the "exception clause" needs to be viewed in a different light. Otherwise we see a church that mimics the world and has lost all it's flavor, we are seeing the church as it has become today! Even in the case of adultery we need to advocate reconciliation, mercy, forgiveness, grace and the choice to love - ALWAYS!
If you come to me and tell me that you are considering divorce I will tell you that you are considering sin and unless the cause is adultery you MUST remain single or reconcile. You are making a choice, or considering one, that is the way of this world and is fully born of the heart of the god of this world. If in the end you make that choice I will respond from the position and understanding of the depth of my own depravity and an almost desperate desire for you that you come to a full understanding of "I am crucified with Christ, never the less I live, yet not I but it is Christ who lives in me....". You see, the beauty of his mercy and grace is not that I get to pretend that I'm OK. It's that I get to be stunned by him; I get to know exactly why she wept and wiped her tears from his feet with her hair; I get to know the why behind the psalmist words of:
"I run in the path of your commands, for you have set my heart free"
Ps. 119:32
And the only way to do that, for anyone to reach that understanding is to call a spade a spade and confess. The world has taught us that such an approach is to wallow in shame and that we should avoid doing it. And those who practice legalism (the theological term for legalism is dox astology by the way, as compared to doxology where all the glory is given to God) feed this perception. But God is not a God of shame and has provided a way out of it - call a spade a spade and confess. This isn't some sort of flippant ideology as seen in the writings of Paul as he ripped it apart with "should we then continue to sin that grace may abound?". No, factual and honest confession brings us home to "groaning" to put off the old and put on the new. So we can follow God's prescription and put off shame for freedom or we can follow the worlds prescription of feel good avoidance!
I make it a point to spend a day in my son's Kindergarten class every week and without exception, every kid who is the victim of divorce, even an amicable divorce, is starved for love and stability. I work with kids and young adults in Project Destiny and hear things like "I wish mom and dad would at least sit together at school things" or "All I wanted was to have breakfast together once in while so I could feel normal". Do with that what you will but it tells me that the adults were more childish than the child and the answer is found only in deciding to treat and act towards the other the way God treats and acts towards you. In short, have this "mind about you".
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 7:01:30 AM
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I make it a point to spend a day in my son's Kindergarten class every week and without exception, every kid who is the victim of divorce, even an amicable divorce, is starved for love and stability. I work with kids and young adults in Project Destiny and hear things like "I wish mom and dad would at least sit together at school things" or "All I wanted was to have breakfast together once in while so I could feel normal". Do with that what you will but it tells me that the adults were more childish than the child and the answer is found only in deciding to treat and act towards the other the way God treats and acts towards you. In short, have this "mind about you".
This happens, indeed. Everyone has to think long and hard before they get married and even longer and harder before filing for divorce... But some of these children may be worse off in a disfunctional family. We all know this. There are children in intact families who wish they could have more affection and breakfast together. Yes, we MUST consider the kids but intact families don't guarantee happy children.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 8:13:32 AM
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divorce is such a cop out unless a person is gettting out of an adulterous marriage (noncovenant marriage).
some say it is the only option. that is not true. it just isn't-that is what makes it a cop out.
what about waiting, relying on God, trusting God to change all involved, trusting and relying on God to change a heart or two. these are big orders...to trust God when our heart is broken or feels no longer alive. do we believe God will allow something we cannot handle without Him? He desires us to live according to His word and once we live our lives for Him we will be tried and tested.
remember that Job said "though He slay me, yet i will trust Him." this is how we are to trust Him - not knowing if we will see Him turn things around or when and even until we die. this may mean we are to keep praying for our wayward husband not seeing any chance of reconciliation or restoration in sight. if saw the way or made the way without God's awesome hand which is not of our understanding..then it is of us and not of Him.
the restoration of a totally broken covenant marriage (non adulterous) that no one on earth can see a light in is just the situation God wants us to have faith in Him for that He can and will change things for the glory of His kingdom.
Isaish there are some who have no choice but to seperate and/or divorce.There are some who have to do this to protect themsleves and/or their children.There are some who are themselves divorced by their spouse for no Biblical reason.For some it is the ONLY way.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 8:26:15 AM
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
My belief is that EVEN my husbands ex wife , who had an affair and divorced him, is allowed to remarry IF IF she repents totally.Yes she actually acted extreemly badly, but she can be forgiven. Or are we saying that what she did was too bad or evil to be forgiven.Are we saying that her sin is too bad for the death of Jesus to wipe away and be remembered no more?
. Now she isnt remarried and is alone at this point,and at her age of 52 there probably isnt much chance of her meeting anyone, but IF God chooses to bless her with another husband, that is His decision.Who are we to tell Him what He is or isnt allowed to do? If she hasnt repented then that is a different story and God would wait till she did.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 12:19:04 PM
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Isaish there are some who have no choice but to seperate and/or divorce.There are some who have to do this to protect themsleves and/or their children.There are some who are themselves divorced by their spouse for no Biblical reason.For some it is the ONLY way.
no choice...covered that.
the only reason to Biblically divorce is because the marriage is adulterous. there are grounds, it seems from the book of ezra, to divorce if God told you not to marry someone (not you now think it was a bad decision).
also, seperation is not unBiblical-did i say it was? my own two cents = for purposes of safety seperation is good, but not with the end of divorce (unless adulterous-need it be written). seperation for purpose of safety will allow for prayer and faith building with hope of reconciliation in a Godly way.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 12:43:11 PM
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Isaish there are some who have no choice but to seperate and/or divorce.There are some who have to do this to protect themsleves and/or their children.There are some who are themselves divorced by their spouse for no Biblical reason.For some it is the ONLY way.
no choice...covered that.
the only reason to Biblically divorce is because the marriage is adulterous. there are grounds, it seems from the book of ezra, to divorce if God told you not to marry someone (not you now think it was a bad decision).
also, seperation is not unBiblical-did i say it was? my own two cents = for purposes of safety seperation is good, but not with the end of divorce (unless adulterous-need it be written). seperation for purpose of safety will allow for prayer and faith building with hope of reconciliation in a Godly way.
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Sometimes there is no hope of reconciliation and thus divorce is the only answer.
What you wrote about possibly being allowed to divorce if God told you not to marry that person could open a whole can of worms. Anyone can say that cant they, many years later just to get out of the marriage. In fact my husbands ex did that in a way, saying that she never loved him and probably should never have married him. My answer to that is if God told you not to marry but you did anyway, that is your problem. You made the choice and you have to stick with it unles there is Biblical reason to divorce.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 2:47:57 PM
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
I understand what you're saying, but the difference is that marriage involves a covenant, and prostitution, porn etc doesn't.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/11/2009 2:53:30 PM
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
I understand what you're saying, but the difference is that marriage involves a covenant, and prostitution, porn etc doesn't.
covenants can be broken by one of the parties due to their unfaithness and sexual sin.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 3:46:17 PM
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Isaish there are some who have no choice but to seperate and/or divorce.There are some who have to do this to protect themsleves and/or their children.There are some who are themselves divorced by their spouse for no Biblical reason.For some it is the ONLY way.
no choice...covered that.
the only reason to Biblically divorce is because the marriage is adulterous. there are grounds, it seems from the book of ezra, to divorce if God told you not to marry someone (not you now think it was a bad decision).
also, seperation is not unBiblical-did i say it was? my own two cents = for purposes of safety seperation is good, but not with the end of divorce (unless adulterous-need it be written). seperation for purpose of safety will allow for prayer and faith building with hope of reconciliation in a Godly way.
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Sometimes there is no hope of reconciliation and thus divorce is the only answer.
What you wrote about possibly being allowed to divorce if God told you not to marry that person could open a whole can of worms. Anyone can say that cant they, many years later just to get out of the marriage. In fact my husbands ex did that in a way, saying that she never loved him and probably should never have married him. My answer to that is if God told you not to marry but you did anyway, that is your problem. You made the choice and you have to stick with it unles there is Biblical reason to divorce.
no hope...well, God calls you to have hope, and if you are lacking, ask Jesus for help, right?
regarding being told by God to do something or not: well, this is where truth comes in. of course anyone can lie, and they will be held accountable for that. those who have been told, know, and should act accordingly or get in line asap.
the argument posted for divorce and against following God's direct command relate to human error. while we all error, that is not the goal or the measure. once we learn or realize our mistake (or God beats us over the head bc He loves us so much) we are to do whatever He said/says (get out of sin and do His will).
btw, i bet the divorce rate would drop dramatically if we were taught as GOd word says that we are not to remarry.
while God says once you are one flesh, you are one flesh until death (as He says a widow may remarry), i have wondered if God isn't as upset about divorce as He is about remarriage. remarriage is clearly addressed as adultery. divorce is certainly easier to repair it seems if one doesn't have to get out of an adulterous marriage also.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 4:02:50 PM
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Well Isaish nearly all of the divorced people who I know, including myself and my husband, would still be divorced even if we believed that we couldnt remarry. That is because we didnt want to be divorced in the first place. yes, there are those who divorce to marry another, such as my husband ex wife, but they are wrong and usually in the minority.
However as God is so wonderful, He has given us a marriage that far exceeds what either of us had before.He restores to us far more than we could ever have imagined possible,and I just sit back in amazment at what He is doing in our lives and in my childrens lifes as a result of this marriage. It is AWESOME.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 4:10:16 PM
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well, i don't want to get into remarriage so much here in the divorce thread.
i will just state kind of what i wrote before: if people realized what God says about remarriage, this thread would probably not even exist.
hey, i don't want to wait a long time, who does, but God tells us He is faithful even when we do wait a long time. abraham waited how long before his son through sarah was born. of course, abram and sarai went ahead with their own plan bc they didn't want to wait, but God said that the results of what they made, not Him, would not be blessed. then, years later God gave them their child, isaiah whom God blessed and recognized as their son.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 4:34:50 PM
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So instead challenging my position with a substantive counter I am derided as being "legalistic" (nothing could be further from the truth by the way), arrogant and more. Yes, we do need to love and support those who are in the divorce process, are divorced, or are remarried. But that love is not some sort of sugar coated sweet treat like some sort of spiritual cake covered in whipped cream!
Why isn't love the best food imaginable? Aren't we saved by grace and isn't God's love free to anyone? Why can't we just love people whose lives are in shambles, whether they created their circumstances or not? Didn't Jesus love the woman at the well?
Personally, I don't think there is much substance to anything except love. It was out of love for us that Jesus gave his life, and his instructions to the disciples was to "love one another as I have loved you."
But people way smarter than me have said all this before.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 6:23:38 PM
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Isaish there are some who have no choice but to seperate and/or divorce.There are some who have to do this to protect themsleves and/or their children.There are some who are themselves divorced by their spouse for no Biblical reason.For some it is the ONLY way.
no choice...covered that.
the only reason to Biblically divorce is because the marriage is adulterous. there are grounds, it seems from the book of ezra, to divorce if God told you not to marry someone (not you now think it was a bad decision).
The passage from Ezra is a very poor passage to use to form this kind of a doctrine. Here are some things you should consider when looking at this passage.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 6:45:13 PM
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So instead challenging my position with a substantive counter I am derided as being "legalistic" (nothing could be further from the truth by the way), arrogant and more.
Unless you provide a substantive biblical argument in your post, there is no reason for anyone to provide a substantive counter to your allegations. You did not provide any scriptural support for the accusations you made against those who disagree with YOUR interpretation; you simply provided YOUR opinion and nothing else. It really only matters what Scripture says on this topic because that is God's word; there is no reason to argue against YOUR opinion because YOUR opinion has no authority in the life of a follower of Jesus Christ.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 7:56:38 PM
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To: Romans Chapter 6:
Your analysis blows away Charles Ryrie, for he says the exception (Matthew 19:9 ) pertains to the Levitical decrees. If Ryrie was right then I believe the exception would also be in Mark and Luke. It is illegal to marry first cousins in most societies. Unfortunately J. Carl Laney agrees with Ryrie on this. Ryrie and Laney however both believe it would be adultery to remarry after a divorce. In Ryrie's case his wife divorced him decades ago and remarried a man who was supposed to have been their best friend. I know the pastor who performed the ceremony and I believe judgement will be rendered to him for doing this. After a short second marriage, her second husband suddenly died of some physical malady. Now she is widowed as well as divorced. Of course Ryrie would never remarry her as he believes she is defiled (Deuteronomy 24).
It was several years ago that I read in my newspaper in Texas about an elderly couple who divorced each other when they were very young and they both subsequently remarried other individuals. After decades of marriage and family rearing each of their second spouses died. They got back in touch with each other and eventually remarried. The newspaper made it (their remarriage to each other)look so romantic and harmonious. It revolted me entirely! "Wide is the path to destruction and many there be that go therein.."
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 9:12:06 PM
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So instead challenging my position with a substantive counter I am derided as being "legalistic" (nothing could be further from the truth by the way), arrogant and more. Yes, we do need to love and support those who are in the divorce process, are divorced, or are remarried. But that love is not some sort of sugar coated sweet treat like some sort of spiritual cake covered in whipped cream! With only one exception, and that is ONLY one exception, divorce is sin and remarriage is adultery. We know that un-confessed sin separates us from God and that in order to call our sin something other than sin requires that we justify it and explain it as something else. Yet it is still sin and the only scriptural prescription for dealing with sin is to confess it and receive God's forgiveness. Then and only then are you truly free to follow Paul's admonition of forgeting what lies behind and pressing on to attain the high calling. By not putting it plainly on the table because you don't want someone to feel bad you are in fact helping them to rip themselves off because they can't enter into and walk in the fullness of who God has called them to be. But this mindset that allows, and even facilitates divorce in the lives of Christians reduces the church to nothing more than an eclectic club that mirrors the world and makes a joke of "be in the world but not of it". It is just another example of how the church has perfected the art of lip service and makes a mockery of what our Lord did on the cross. If we are to be serious about our calling then we must recognize that calling for what it is - to be wholly and completely saturated with God's nature and attributes. And if God forgives even spiritual adultery in his bride and ALWAYS RECONCILES then even the "exception clause" needs to be viewed in a different light. Otherwise we see a church that mimics the world and has lost all it's flavor, we are seeing the church as it has become today! Even in the case of adultery we need to advocate reconciliation, mercy, forgiveness, grace and the choice to love - ALWAYS!
If you come to me and tell me that you are considering divorce I will tell you that you are considering sin and unless the cause is adultery you MUST remain single or reconcile. You are making a choice, or considering one, that is the way of this world and is fully born of the heart of the god of this world. If in the end you make that choice I will respond from the position and understanding of the depth of my own depravity and an almost desperate desire for you that you come to a full understanding of "I am crucified with Christ, never the less I live, yet not I but it is Christ who lives in me....". You see, the beauty of his mercy and grace is not that I get to pretend that I'm OK. It's that I get to be stunned by him; I get to know exactly why she wept and wiped her tears from his feet with her hair; I get to know the why behind the psalmist words of:
"I run in the path of your commands, for you have set my heart free"
Ps. 119:32
And the only way to do that, for anyone to reach that understanding is to call a spade a spade and confess. The world has taught us that such an approach is to wallow in shame and that we should avoid doing it. And those who practice legalism (the theological term for legalism is dox astology by the way, as compared to doxology where all the glory is given to God) feed this perception. But God is not a God of shame and has provided a way out of it - call a spade a spade and confess. This isn't some sort of flippant ideology as seen in the writings of Paul as he ripped it apart with "should we then continue to sin that grace may abound?". No, factual and honest confession brings us home to "groaning" to put off the old and put on the new. So we can follow God's prescription and put off shame for freedom or we can follow the worlds prescription of feel good avoidance!
I make it a point to spend a day in my son's Kindergarten class every week and without exception, every kid who is the victim of divorce, even an amicable divorce, is starved for love and stability. I work with kids and young adults in Project Destiny and hear things like "I wish mom and dad would at least sit together at school things" or "All I wanted was to have breakfast together once in while so I could feel normal". Do with that what you will but it tells me that the adults were more childish than the child and the answer is found only in deciding to treat and act towards the other the way God treats and acts towards you. In short, have this "mind about you".
fortunately no one would ask you....or if they did they wouldnt hang around you very long, given your legalistic approach. Is it just divorced Christians you look down your legalistic nose at or other who sin? Go look in the mirror...."he that is without sin cast the first stone"....you couldnt toss a pebble. none of us could
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/12/2009 10:19:20 PM
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WilliamtheConqueror
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
You do err, and that is because of your present situation. Please consider RomansChapter6's posts. First off illicit sex does not make nor break a marriage. A rounder could have had lots of sex with prostitutes, other men's wives, single never married loose women, but none of that constitutes marriage. What does constitute marriage is the vow and of course the consummation. Read how Bill Gawthord defines it. You really need to read RomansChapter6's posts and think very hard about what the scripture says.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/14/2009 10:13:36 AM
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
You do err, and that is because of your present situation. Please consider RomansChapter6's posts. First off illicit sex does not make nor break a marriage. A rounder could have had lots of sex with prostitutes, other men's wives, single never married loose women, but none of that constitutes marriage. What does constitute marriage is the vow and of course the consummation. Read how Bill Gawthord defines it. You really need to read RomansChapter6's posts and think very hard about what the scripture says.
Illicit affairs and spending time with prostitutes certainly breaks a relationship...your relationship with God! Its just as bad as divorce. You can reword it any way you care to, its all sin. What a ridiculous point of view....."well porn isnt as bad as divorce".....get real!!! Fortunately Jesus came for us sinners. You can come to Him just as you are, even if you cant break a sinful habit, like porn. He accepts us as we are and works with us to help us become what we should be!...:o)
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/14/2009 11:55:09 AM
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
You do err, and that is because of your present situation. Please consider RomansChapter6's posts. First off illicit sex does not make nor break a marriage. A rounder could have had lots of sex with prostitutes, other men's wives, single never married loose women, but none of that constitutes marriage. What does constitute marriage is the vow and of course the consummation. Read how Bill Gawthord defines it. You really need to read RomansChapter6's posts and think very hard about what the scripture says.
Both of us are divorced for Biblical reasons, and God has bought us together in an amazing way. i am blessed to have many Christian friends who are thrilled for us, as they know the hell that we have been through, and that God loves to restore to us what Satan stole.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/14/2009 11:58:20 AM
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I always think it is so strange that a person who has had sex with numerous married people, or who was a prosititute who may have had sex with hundreds of different people, or a person who was involved in porn and all sorts of perversions is apparently allowed to be forgiven and to marry, wheras a person who has never been unfaithful ever, and had little choice but to be divorces isnt. Cant fathom that one out.
You do err, and that is because of your present situation. Please consider RomansChapter6's posts. First off illicit sex does not make nor break a marriage. A rounder could have had lots of sex with prostitutes, other men's wives, single never married loose women, but none of that constitutes marriage. What does constitute marriage is the vow and of course the consummation. Read how Bill Gawthord defines it. You really need to read RomansChapter6's posts and think very hard about what the scripture says.
Illicit affairs and spending time with prostitutes certainly breaks a relationship...your relationship with God! Its just as bad as divorce. You can reword it any way you care to, its all sin. What a ridiculous point of view....."well porn isnt as bad as divorce".....get real!!! Fortunately Jesus came for us sinners. You can come to Him just as you are, even if you cant break a sinful habit, like porn. He accepts us as we are and works with us to help us become what we should be!...:o)
I agree katie. I think it is strange that people, here seem to think that a marriage cannot be broken.God clearly recognises that a divorce ends a marriage, and if one spouses chooses to act in a way that destroys a marriage that is their choice, but the other spouse isnt responsible for their choices.
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RE: Divorce - One Stop Thread - 10/21/2009 2:41:16 PM
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Do we honor God's word when he says he hates divorce in Malachi 2:16? Or do we seek our own personal desires instead of God's will? God can restore any marriage and it is his desire to do so if we ask Him. Do we trust in Him enough to restore it? Is our faith up to par to believe he will? God's will is marriage and He honors it, even if we were not saved when we got married. He only approves divorce when there is a non-believer or adultery. Even then, He prefers us to work it out. Divorce was granted in the bible by Moses because the people's hearts were too hardened. Please soften your hearts to God and seek him for restoration instead of divorce. All things are possible through Christ!
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