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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/16/2008 9:36:12 PM
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We better start a new thread here, as we are off topic a little.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 12:08:47 AM
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Shalom, Bob.
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Is it possible that anyone can bring these two half brothers together after thousands of years of hate? If someone could somehow get them to see they had the same father, and they worshiped the same God of their father (even though it's not true), maybe!
That is a possibility...I was just thinking as I was writing...what if something like that happened and the AC took a seat in the Dome? Crazy but just a thought.
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That's an interesting thought. Maybe the AC will sit in the PLACE where the Temple once stood, showing himself to be God! Is that what you meant?
I believe that this scenario would be just as hard to accomplish. I mean, will the Muslims be any more willing to have the AC sit in the Dome of the Rock than they would be willing to allow the Jews to rebuild their Temple? I can't see either happening any time soon.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 12:19:20 AM
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Hi Retro…
If someone were smooth enough to bring both religions together under one god…both sides being the children of Abraham. This wouldn’t fool the elect but it would appear that some people will believe almost anything. I know this sounds impossible, but…
An example of this is the willingness of the high majority of Jews to vote for a liberal president who might very well have strong Muslim ties and wants to take Israel back to the 1948 borders.
Once again I’m thinking out loud…
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 1:03:53 AM
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So I’m very stuck between heart and head, even when I’ve thought I’ve settle on a view point, the other nags me! Aaaaaaaahhh!!!!
Peace be to you, Sonic,
I know all too well what you're going through. I was raised Lutheran, and I began questioning the Lutheran stance about Baptism. As time went on, I faced a lot of pressure from fellow Lutherans because I was questioning this "means of grace." However, through the tumultuous period of discovery, the waves got bigger but the Spirit gave me peace. Through it, I came to a point where I was assured that the conclusion stood firmly on the Word of God. I had the similar experience when I began grappling with the issue of Free Will vs. the Election of the Saints. Through this, I also was granted peace of mind and heart by the Spirit.
I am certain that the same peace will come over us as we venture together to understand the Word of our Lord. For of this I am certain: God is a God of peace. I pray that as we continue to humbly seek understanding and wisdom from the Word of God that the Holy Spirit will grant us this very peace. So, do not let your heart be troubled. This is the greatest adventure of them all. While the world (and some economics students) grapple with issues of this world (financial turmoil, etc.), we are able to seek wisdom from the Ancient of Days.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/17/2008 1:50:42 AM
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Hi Retro…
If someone were smooth enough to bring both religions together under one god…both sides being the children of Abraham. This wouldn’t fool the elect but it would appear that some people will believe almost anything. I know this sounds impossible, but…
An example of this is the willingness of the high majority of Jews to vote for a liberal president who might very well have strong Muslim ties and wants to take Israel back to the 1948 borders.
Once again I’m thinking out loud…
Bob
Well, would it be that difficult if it were someone who claimed to be and had genealogical "proof" that they are descendants of both King David and Mohammed? If I were a betting man, this would seem to be the way for an "angel of light" to fool the world into accepting him as the last imam (I think that is what the Muslims are watching for) and the messiah.
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first, you have a very bad master; and, next, your master has a fool for his servant.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 1:07:52 AM
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Shalom, Josh4LinC and Bob.
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Hi Retro…
If someone were smooth enough to bring both religions together under one god…both sides being the children of Abraham. This wouldn’t fool the elect but it would appear that some people will believe almost anything. I know this sounds impossible, but…
An example of this is the willingness of the high majority of Jews to vote for a liberal president who might very well have strong Muslim ties and wants to take Israel back to the 1948 borders.
Once again I’m thinking out loud…
Bob
Well, would it be that difficult if it were someone who claimed to be and had genealogical "proof" that they are descendants of both King David and Mohammed? If I were a betting man, this would seem to be the way for an "angel of light" to fool the world into accepting him as the last imam (I think that is what the Muslims are watching for) and the messiah.
Yes, well said, both of you. It's scripturally possible, i.e., there's nothing I know of which prevents such a possibility. That's the epitome of ecumenism, wouldn't you say? It's surely the goal of the Bahai faith! Furthermore, with advances in genetic fingerprinting, it's becoming more likely to happen all the time! In fact, with gene splicing and genetic engineering, they may even find a way to CREATE such a person! Who knows? (See what I mean, though, about wild and far out theologies?)
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 1:15:05 AM
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We're all a little bit crazy at times and for some it's all time.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 12:13:12 PM
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What do you mean Bob - WAHAAAY WHOOO FLIBCHATAWHOOOOO GLIP !!!
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 12:43:05 PM
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I think I've got a problem...I understood that.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 12:46:34 PM
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You're in good company mate LOL
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 2:29:02 PM
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Shalom, Bob and Sonic.
Yes, it's important that we often return to what is solid. Return to the Scriptures often for your anchors into reality. Whatever theories we hear or even invent ourselves, we MUST be sure of Truth, and our theories must be tempered with that Truth.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/18/2008 2:37:39 PM
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Shalom to you also Retro,
Very true! I always try to make sure that I bring this to the Good Book, it needs to be seen in that light. Also with end time prophecy, there will appear to be twists and turns until we finally see the fulfilment. We need to keep reasonably open minded and sober and watchful, and the bible needs to be the anchor indeed.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 11/19/2008 2:19:17 PM
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Retro…a question;
God had left the temple by the time the Romans brought any defilement of it in 70AD so how could Paul’s statement of 2 Th 2:4 have any bearing on any historically event? Doesn’t this almost demand a future occurrence? That is if we are talking about an affront to God.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
I have a really hard time accepting the concept that the AC would replace God in a spiritual way is what Paul had in mind.
Bob
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 10:21:37 AM
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Hmm...One Stop Threads...this place has really changed since the last time I was here.
But anyway, I guess I'll try this here. I hope it'll still achieve what I wanted.
So, as I said in my dead thread...
The other night, I sat down with the two most reliable translations of the Bible (the King James Version and, my favourite, the Young's Literal Translation) and prayed for God to show me the truth. The truth is all I really want.
Over a two-hour period, from 2 to 4 in the morning, with a can of Full Throttle, I went through the Book of Revelation and jotted down on paper what came to mind as I read. In the end, I was left with the realization that most of the prophecies in Revelation, and, by extension, the Bible as a whole, have already been fulfilled. In fact, they were fulfilled by AD 70, with the destruction of Jerusalem.
Now, don't think that this is the only studying of prophecy I've ever done. I've been studying this exhaustively for years. I know every End-Times prophecy there is inside and out, and I know many interpretations for each one (in fact, over the years, I've held many interpretations for each one). This is just where I am now.
I always used to be a strong critic of Preterism of any kind. I've always been of the opinion that the Antichrist is here, now, and will soon be revealed as the head of the European Union, in the vein of what's being reported by FulfilledProphecy.com. I've been a Premillennialist, mainly Dispensationalist, partial Historicist, Pre-Tribulation-turned-Pre-Wrath Rapture advocate.
Obviously, I was wrong. *tear* lol
Now, read this part carefully: I don't want to start any arguments, I'm just looking for feedback and people's educated opinions on what I've come up with. Ideally, I want to take any problems people find with my views and correct them accordingly, but, then, it's also possible that my views will be proved wrong completely.
Either way, like I said...the truth is all I really want.
You can download the PDF detailing how I believe each "End-Times" prophecy has been fulfilled from my site HERE. There's also a link to an image of the PDF there now, if you don't want to download the actual PDF file.
Whether you agree or not...enjoy. And God bless.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 11:07:19 AM
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Hi,
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Either way, like I said...the truth is all I really want.
How about if we start here. How can you determine that it was not Rome who accomplished the things in these verses. If they did then none of the iron has even began to unfold. Any events before Jesus's birth would have been covered by this verse.
Da:9:25: ....... the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Da:8:9:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
Da:8:10:
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Da:8:11:
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.
Antiochus Epiphanes isn't even mentioned in Scripture so he did not fulfill the above verses.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 12:03:38 PM
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I'll have to add this to my file, but it looks like this is how that prophecy played out...
The Ram is the Macedonian empire, including the subsequent empire in Macedon following the greater Empire's breakup. The first horn is the empire's penultimate ruler Philip V, who was unsuccessful in his struggle with Rome, the Goat. The second horn is Macedon's final ruler, Perseus, who was defeated by Rome at the pivotal Battle of Pydna, thereby crushing the Macedonian empire.
The Goat, Rome, has a horn. This is Nero. The horn (Nero) is broken, and replaced by four others, during the Year of Four Emperors (Galba, Otho, Vitellius, and Vespasian), caused by the civil war in Rome at that time.
The little horn that rises out of one of the four is Titus, son of Vespasian, who went on to surround Jerusalem (the Abomination of Desolation), stop the sacrifices (July 14, AD 70), and destroy the Temple, just as predicted by this and many other prophecies.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 12:52:45 PM
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I'll have to add this to my file, but it looks like this is how that prophecy played out...
The Ram is the Macedonian empire, including the subsequent empire in Macedon following the greater Empire's breakup. The first horn is the empire's penultimate ruler Philip V, who was unsuccessful in his struggle with Rome, the Goat. The second horn is Macedon's final ruler, Perseus, who was defeated by Rome at the pivotal Battle of Pydna, thereby crushing the Macedonian empire.
The Goat, Rome, has a horn. This is Nero. The horn (Nero) is broken, and replaced by four others, during the Year of Four Emperors (Galba, Otho, Vitellius, and Vespasian), caused by the civil war in Rome at that time.
The little horn that rises out of one of the four is Titus, son of Vespasian, who went on to surround Jerusalem (the Abomination of Desolation), stop the sacrifices (July 14, AD 70), and destroy the Temple, just as predicted by this and many other prophecies.
The goat from Da:8 is Alexander the Great. The verse that introduces the one that does those things is said to come up from one of the 4 horns, it doesn't say they were one of those 4 horns.
Another point to consider is the kings mentioned in Revelation. It says there will be 8 kings total, the 6th one is (in power) when Revelation was written. All of the Roman rule could be just that 6th king, that means after the fall of Rome there were 2 more to go.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 1:11:28 PM
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The verse that introduces the one that does those things is said to come up from one of the 4 horns, it doesn't say they were one of those 4 horns.
Exactly. Titus "came up from" Vespasian, his father...one of the 4.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 1:41:42 PM
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The verse that introduces the one that does those things is said to come up from one of the 4 horns, it doesn't say they were one of those 4 horns.
Exactly. Titus "came up from" Vespasian, his father...one of the 4.
The goat from Da:8 is Alexander, right?
All the 4 horns that come after are part of the brass, Rome is part of the brass. That leaves the iron/clay kingdom as a yet-to-be entity.
The counting of the 8 kings in Revelation starts with Neb. Then two from the silver and from the brass you have 3 more (out of a total of 5 but not all 5 have control of Jerusalem) until Rome is counted as the 6th one. The 7th and 8th kings are angelic beings, Satan is the 7th and the Beast from the Pit is the 8th. The 8th cannot be past because the first sign that Christ owns the earth is the righteous from the graves are resurrected back to life, eternal life.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 1:50:50 PM
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The goat would be the Roman Empire. The ram is Alexander's Macedonian Empire, but Alexander isn't pictured here, just his conquests, followed by the downfall of his empire under Philip V and Perseus, to be replaced by the goat/Rome.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 2:48:58 PM
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The goat would be the Roman Empire. The ram is Alexander's Macedonian Empire, but Alexander isn't pictured here, just his conquests, followed by the downfall of his empire under Philip V and Perseus, to be replaced by the goat/Rome.
The kings of the silver are these two Nations.
Da:8:20:
The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
The brass comes after and Alexander is the first king after the two in the above verse.
Da:8:21:
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
The 4 horns that come up after are successive kings over Jerusalem (4 is the highest number)
Can we back up right to Ch:2? In that dream there are 3 kingdoms after the head-of-gold . Daniel 4 covers Neb's life and he was a true believer in Daniel's God as being the one true God. The head of Gold had 1 king, Neb. Neb's son also ruled for a bit before the end of that era. The silver is described in Da:6, the brass is described Da:8. That also means the full 70 weeks were completed before 70AD which was an act described in Daniel 8.(as well as a bit about the iron/clay)
The next kingdom after the gold is the silver, is it called 1 kingdom but it has two kings that are separate worldly powers. (see verse above)
The brass has more than 1 king, western civilization is based on many things started in the Greek and Roman times. We are still somewhere before the 1st line ends. The king that comes into control at that time is Satan. That is the beginning of the iron/clay.
Da:8:23:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
I hope I'm not going too fast.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 3:05:26 PM
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Yeah...I forgot about the interpretation later in the chapter.
And no, you're not going too fast. I'm just guilty of trying to make the study of prophecy second to my dealing with a personal problem...I should really be leaving the prophecy stuff until a time when I can actually give it my full attention.
Still, until I can come back and examine this prophecy with both sides of my mind, the rest of my proposal stands. For the time being, I'd like to focus on any problems with what I already have "figured out," as listed in the PDF thing (aside from the "Ram and the Goat" prophecy, which I just added but will obviously have to reconsider).
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/27/2009 3:37:31 PM
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By all means take as much time as you need, since there is more than one proposed doctrine it is not a small subject by any means.
It also means Revelation covers the iron/clay times, so basically the premise that Revelation is past or that any verses from Daniel that mention that last kingdom before Christ's return is put into question.
The 70the weeks was completed as your PDF states.
The parts you have as not being completed in Revelation is shifted right upto the 1st verse of Re:1. Things that will shortly come to pass. Christ's return being the highlight of the next chapters.
Both Daniel and Revelation share the same writing style. A chapter that gives a summary of what is going to happen and then later chapters describe some key events in greater detail.
The 8th king is described as this.
Re:17:11:
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
Your article doesn't mention the 8th but he would appear to come after the 7th (Vespasian, 69-79 AD)
To mesh with the verse it would be a 'return to power'. No Roman rulers ever did that as far as I know.
If the last two are angelic in nature then the 8th can be of the 7, meaning angelic like the 7th king. The 8th would have have ruling authority back before Noah's flood. That is when fallen angels were put into the pit, in Revelation some get released. 5 before Christ returns.
Da:2:43:
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:
but they shall not cleave one to another,
even as iron is not mixed with clay.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/28/2009 6:20:27 PM
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Ok, I'm back.
Now, I like how you say that Antiochus IV Epiphanes isn't mentioned in Scripture, so, therefore, he didn't fulfill Daniel 8. In fact, he is mentioned in Scripture - he's mentioned right here, in Daniel 8. He's also mentioned in both Apocryphal Books of the Maccabees (though only briefly in the Second).
It's obvious that he did, in fact, fulfill this prophecy. That's why I didn't remember the interpretation of the vision later in the chapter, because I haven't studied it in a while...because I've always known that it's already been fulfilled.
Here's how this vision came to be...
Ram with 2 horns
Media/Persia (as the united Achaemenid/Persian Empire). The 2 horns may be representative of the divided nature of Media and Persia at the time Daniel received the vision, but because the goat seems to destroy the horns himself, I prefer the view that these horns are the last two kings of the Achaemenid Empire, Artaxerxes IV and Darius III (the latter of whom was certainly greater than the former), who were both defeated by Alexander the Great, resulting in the fall of their Empire.
Goat from West, with 1 horn
Obviously, this is Alexander the Great, bringing his great Macedonian Empire "on the face of the whole earth".
Goat's horn broken, replaced by 4
The death of Alexander, followed by the initial handing over of his empire to four of his Diadochi, namely Cassander, Lysimachus, Seleucus, and Ptolemy I Soter.
Horn from 1 of the 4
This, right here, is most certainly none other than Antiochus IV Epiphanes. He did everything described of him: he was from one of the four Diadochi (Seleucus, specifically), he magnified himself, he ended the daily sacrifice (in fact, he had pigs sacrificed in its stead), and he destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple when the Jews refused to worship Zeus.
This prophecy is fulfilled, completely.
Now, like you say, the Achaemenid Empire is the silver kingdom, and the Macedonian Empire is the brass. Which leaves one more - the iron/iron-clay kingdom, which would be Rome. Nebuchadnezzar's vision, then, is also fulfilled, completely.
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RE: Preterism vs. Futurism - One Stop Thread - 3/29/2009 5:01:15 AM
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Ok, I'm back.
Now, I like how you say that Antiochus IV Epiphanes isn't mentioned in Scripture, so, therefore, he didn't fulfill Daniel 8. In fact, he is mentioned in Scripture - he's mentioned right here, in Daniel 8. He's also mentioned in both Apocryphal Books of the Maccabees (though only briefly in the Second).
Hi.
Lets just stay with Daniel for the moment.
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It's obvious that he did, in fact, fulfill this prophecy. That's why I didn't remember the interpretation of the vision later in the chapter, because I haven't studied it in a while...because I've always known that it's already been fulfilled.
Not all that obvious because you are bringing in information from outside Scripture. Based on Scripture alone what is said to happen in Da:8 is covered in some detail in the NT, including Jesus's death and the destruction of the temple. Before the cross there were sacrifices being made in the temple.
Who were the 'stars' before John and Jesus and the Disciples and the Apostles? God didn't even sen them any prophets during the vast majority of that 490 years.
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Here's how this vision came to be...
Ram with 2 horns
Media/Persia (as the united Achaemenid/Persian Empire). The 2 horns may be representative of the divided nature of Media and Persia at the time Daniel received the vision, but because the goat seems to destroy the horns himself, I prefer the view that these horns are the last two kings of the Achaemenid Empire, Artaxerxes IV and Darius III (the latter of whom was certainly greater than the former), who were both defeated by Alexander the Great, resulting in the fall of their Empire.
Maybe it is just because they were neighbors rather than kin. We agree for the most part, in counting would Alex be the 4th when counting from Neb? (Neb is #1)
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ORIGINAL: Godkin
Goat from West, with 1 horn
Obviously, this is Alexander the Great, bringing his great Macedonian Empire "on the face of the whole earth".
Goat's horn broken, replaced by 4
The death of Alexander, followed by the initial handing over of his empire to four of his Diadochi, namely Cassander, Lysimachus, Seleucus, and Ptolemy I Soter.
Horn from 1 of the 4
Agreed with the stipulation that all 4 did not rule over Jerusalem. Egypt took it over 3 days after Alex's death if I remember correctly.
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ORIGINAL: Godkin
This, right here, is most certainly none other than Antiochus IV Epiphanes. He did everything described of him: he was from one of the four Diadochi (Seleucus, specifically), he magnified himself, he ended the daily sacrifice (in fact, he had pigs sacrificed in its stead), and he destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple when the Jews refused to worship Zeus.
A delay is all his efforts netted. How long were things interrupted for? The destruction mentioned in Ch:8 if done by the Romans is much more permanent is it not?
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ORIGINAL: Godkin
This prophecy is fulfilled, completely.
Simple question, the end of sacrifice mentioned in Da: 8 & 9, are they the same of different. (I already know you view them as being different.) In Daniel 9:25 it says the rebuilding will carry on even in troublesome times. Those times are prior to the cross, what part of history is being referenced?
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ORIGINAL: Godkin
Now, like you say, the Achaemenid Empire is the silver kingdom, and the Macedonian Empire is the brass. Which leaves one more - the iron/iron-clay kingdom, which would be Rome. Nebuchadnezzar's vision, then, is also fulfilled, completely.
That would be true if Jesus came as King back then, He didn't, He came as mankind's High Priest.
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