|
|
|
|
|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/14/2009 11:34:03 PM
|
|
|
MrFribbles
Posts: 2333
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Hawaii, but I've moved around since then
Status: offline
|
quote:
Paul says as much in 1 Cor 13.1
And in the very next verse, he says "if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge," which you said that we couldn't do in this life (the understanding all and knowing all part, that is).
_____________________________
"To the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sun is really a sun; to the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sea is really a sea."
-G. K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/15/2009 1:47:30 AM
|
|
|
Ezra
Posts: 1709
Status: offline
|
quote:
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. so then, why should we assume that His gifts are any different?
While it is absolutely true that God Himself is unchangeable and unchanging, it does not necessarily follow that He deals with humanity in a uniformitarian way.
God waited about 2,000 years to give the promise of Messiah to Abraham, and he waited another 500 years to give the Law to Israel. Then He waited another 1,500 years to give Christ to the world. And he has allowed another 2,000 years to bring together the Bride of Christ to give to His Son.
God is also a God who delights in variety, and there are no two snowflakes which are absolutely identical. Thus it is with His spiritual gifts. There are a variety of gifts, but the same Spirit, and within those gifts there were some given for the apostolic age and some which were to continue beyond that period.
The very fact that we have no apsotles today should teach us something. The spiritual gift of "apostles" is listed as the first and foremost gift (1 Cor. 12:28). Then we have no prophets today, and that is the second gift listed. Next, there are no miracle workers in the churches today (other than charlatans) so that was another temporary gift. There are many claiming to be apostles and prophets, but when you test the spirits, they are false. The same applies to the so-called miracle workers.
Why did God give these gifts related to "signs and wonders" during the apostolic period? We are not left to wonder. They were designed to authenticate and firmly establish the Gospel and Gospel truth (Heb. 2:4).
Once the Gospel was firmly established and the written Word of God was completed as the New Testament, these gifts were no longer necessary, since *the just shall live by faith*.
Does God heal todayÉ. Absolutely. Does He do it through miracle workersÉ. No. He uses the prayer of faith (James 5:14-16).
So it is with tongues. They had a purpose in apostolic times, and today missionaries have to study foreign languages to take the Gospel to others. As to prayer language, that is a modern invention. The only prayer language we have in Scripture are the Psalms.
_____________________________
And whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely. Revelation 22:17
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/15/2009 9:21:00 AM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6733
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Ezra
So it is with tongues. They had a purpose in apostolic times, and today missionaries have to study foreign languages to take the Gospel to others. As to prayer language, that is a modern invention. The only prayer language we have in Scripture are the Psalms.
You of course are entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine; but I must post the following Scriptures about "Praying in tongues".
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
This referrences man speaking to God (And silly me, I consider man speaking to God to be prayer).
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Speaks directly to praying in tongues (also to singing in tongues).
Now why pray in tongues (Holy Spirit);
(Jud 1:20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
To edify ourselves in the Faith, and that is a great thing to do.
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/16/2009 3:58:26 PM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 880
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
quote:
Paul says as much in 1 Cor 13.1
And in the very next verse, he says "if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge," which you said that we couldn't do in this life (the understanding all and knowing all part, that is).
I believe Paul's point was to illustrate that we can have/know everything, but if we do not love it is all worthless and empty for we do not have God, who is love, in us.
Our minds do not speak in tongues; Spirit gives utterance. Certainly the Spirit which dwells within us knows the language of angels.
_____________________________
Choice happens before the bedroom.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. Original Hippocratic Oath, circa 400 B.C.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/16/2009 5:36:07 PM
|
|
|
MrFribbles
Posts: 2333
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Hawaii, but I've moved around since then
Status: offline
|
quote:
I believe Paul's point was to illustrate that we can have/know everything
So we can know as much as God?
_____________________________
"To the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sun is really a sun; to the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sea is really a sea."
-G. K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/16/2009 7:28:37 PM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6733
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
quote:
I believe Paul's point was to illustrate that we can have/know everything
So we can know as much as God?
I think that we mortals ever knowing as much as God know is a streatch of enormous proportions; Scripture does say we can know all the He has prepared for us;
(1Co 2:9,10) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
So the next time someone gives a prophetic tongue and their is an interprtation maybe we had better listen up.
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/16/2009 10:31:33 PM
|
|
|
MrFribbles
Posts: 2333
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Hawaii, but I've moved around since then
Status: offline
|
quote:
I think that we mortals ever knowing as much as God know is a streatch of enormous proportions
I agree completely. That's why it boggles my mind when people take 1 Cor. 13:1 literally, because using that hermeneutic, the very next verse should be taken literally too. And that would mean we, as Christians, should be expected to understand everything.
_____________________________
"To the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sun is really a sun; to the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sea is really a sea."
-G. K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 10:13:11 AM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 880
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
quote:
I believe Paul's point was to illustrate that we can have/know everything
So we can know as much as God?
he was making a hypothetical point that EVEN IF we have/know it all... without love it means nothing. sorry i thought that was obvious from the scriptures themselves.
< Message edited by raivyne -- 3/17/2009 10:19:50 AM >
_____________________________
Choice happens before the bedroom.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. Original Hippocratic Oath, circa 400 B.C.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 10:43:59 AM
|
|
|
laura...
Posts: 3282
Joined: 3/1/2005
From: NE Ohio
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: raivyne
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
quote:
I believe Paul's point was to illustrate that we can have/know everything
So we can know as much as God?
he was making a hypothetical point that EVEN IF we have/know it all... without love it means nothing. sorry i thought that was obvious from the scriptures themselves.
Yes. I believe Paul was using hyperbole.
_____________________________
This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ Jer 6:16
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 11:54:46 AM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 880
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Ezra
The very fact that we have no apsotles today should teach us something. The spiritual gift of "apostles" is listed as the first and foremost gift (1 Cor. 12:28). Then we have no prophets today, and that is the second gift listed. Next, there are no miracle workers in the churches today (other than charlatans) so that was another temporary gift. There are many claiming to be apostles and prophets, but when you test the spirits, they are false. The same applies to the so-called miracle workers.
I don't know about people who boast about being a prophet or a healer/miracle worker... but I know people who have given prophecy and healed by the laying of hands with the power of the Holy Ghost working through them. I have seen it in my own congregation. I'm sorry that your experience is different, but time doesn't change God, His Holy Ghost or His gifts.
Where does it say that these gifts you mention went away? and when does it say they went away? and why have the others in the same set of verses not gone away? or have they in your estimation? I'm curious to know how you've arrived at this opinion.
_____________________________
Choice happens before the bedroom.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. Original Hippocratic Oath, circa 400 B.C.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 3:53:05 PM
|
|
|
iwillfearnoevil
Posts: 3617
Joined: 11/6/2007
From: upstate NY
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: raivyne
but I know people who have given prophecy and healed by the laying of hands with the power of the Holy Ghost working through them. I have seen it in my own congregation. I'm sorry that your experience is different, but time doesn't change God, His Holy Ghost or His gifts.
exactly, just because one church may overlook those gifts, doesn't mean they aren't thriving in many others ...
_____________________________
Photoblogging My Life
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 4:03:09 PM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 880
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: iwillfearnoevil
quote:
ORIGINAL: raivyne
but I know people who have given prophecy and healed by the laying of hands with the power of the Holy Ghost working through them. I have seen it in my own congregation. I'm sorry that your experience is different, but time doesn't change God, His Holy Ghost or His gifts.
exactly, just because one church may overlook those gifts, doesn't mean they aren't thriving in many others ...
you know, that statement reminds me of the towns Jesus left w/out being able to do any miracles in.
ETA - just saying the principle is similar only applied to spirtual gifts rather than Jesus Himself. I'm in no way questionng anyone here and their faith. Just want to make sure that is clear.
< Message edited by raivyne -- 3/17/2009 4:11:27 PM >
_____________________________
Choice happens before the bedroom.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. Original Hippocratic Oath, circa 400 B.C.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 4:23:52 PM
|
|
|
MrFribbles
Posts: 2333
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Hawaii, but I've moved around since then
Status: offline
|
quote:
he was making a hypothetical point that EVEN IF we have/know it all... without love it means nothing. sorry i thought that was obvious from the scriptures themselves.
quote:
Yes. I believe Paul was using hyperbole.
Precisely! I agree entirely. My question is, why do people treat verse 2 as hyperbole (which I agree with), but treat verse 1 as literal (which I do not)?
_____________________________
"To the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sun is really a sun; to the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sea is really a sea."
-G. K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 4:28:07 PM
|
|
|
laura...
Posts: 3282
Joined: 3/1/2005
From: NE Ohio
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
quote:
he was making a hypothetical point that EVEN IF we have/know it all... without love it means nothing. sorry i thought that was obvious from the scriptures themselves.
quote:
Yes. I believe Paul was using hyperbole.
Precisely! I agree entirely. My question is, why do people treat verse 2 as hyperbole (which I agree with), but treat verse 1 as literal (which I do not)?
It is perfectly legitimate in writing or speech to mix hyperbole and literal. We can say that "tongues of Angels" is not hyperbole because there are other scriptures to support speaking in unknown tongues, speaking in the Spirit, etc.
_____________________________
This is what the Lord says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ Jer 6:16
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 4:41:58 PM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 880
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quoting the first three verse here for context:
quote:
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
I do not consider the tongues of men to be hyperbole, yet it is mentioned in the very same breath with tongues of angels. I do not consider faith or prophecy to be hyperbole. I don't consider giving to the poor hyperbole either. Yet they are in the same verses.
The point that paul is making is that going through the motions is not sufficient. It is the same sort of rebuke found in Isaiah 58. Because someone doesn't believe in the gift of tongues doesn't make it false. it is scriptual... today, tomorrow and yesterday.
_____________________________
Choice happens before the bedroom.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. Original Hippocratic Oath, circa 400 B.C.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 5:05:49 PM
|
|
|
MrFribbles
Posts: 2333
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Hawaii, but I've moved around since then
Status: offline
|
quote:
We can say that "tongues of Angels" is not hyperbole because there are other scriptures to support speaking in unknown tongues, speaking in the Spirit, etc.
If it is identified as the tongues of angels, then it's not unknown. And there's no clear link between tongues of angels and speaking in the Spirit.
quote:
Because someone doesn't believe in the gift of tongues doesn't make it false. it is scriptual... today, tomorrow and yesterday.
Did I ever say I don't believe in the gift of tongues?
_____________________________
"To the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sun is really a sun; to the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sea is really a sea."
-G. K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 7:43:05 PM
|
|
|
Ezra
Posts: 1709
Status: offline
|
quote:
Where does it say that these gifts you mention went away?
1 Cor. 13:8-13
quote:
and when does it say they went away?
1 Cor. 13:10
quote:
and why have the others in the same set of verses not gone away?
1 Pet. 4:10-11
The purpose of the spiritual gifts is the edification of others -- NOT self-edification (1 Cor. 14:3; Eph. 4:12,13). So if any time someone is teaching that some gift is for self-edification, know that this is false. The purpose of the Body is that each member contribute to the well-being of the others, not of itself (1 Cor. 12:14-25).
_____________________________
And whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely. Revelation 22:17
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 9:20:06 PM
|
|
|
awaken
Posts: 90
Joined: 1/11/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Ezra
quote:
Where does it say that these gifts you mention went away?
1 Cor. 13:8-13
quote:
and when does it say they went away?
1 Cor. 13:10
quote:
and why have the others in the same set of verses not gone away?
1 Pet. 4:10-11
The purpose of the spiritual gifts is the edification of others -- NOT self-edification (1 Cor. 14:3; Eph. 4:12,13). So if any time someone is teaching that some gift is for self-edification, know that this is false. The purpose of the Body is that each member contribute to the well-being of the others, not of itself (1 Cor. 12:14-25).
So what are we going to do with Jude 20? How are we to build ourselves up? If I build the muscle in my arm up...I believe it will edify the body. Sometimes we need to be built up by the Spirit! Then...we can lift/build up the body.
I don't know about you, but I do not want someone trying to lift me up when they are weak in the spirit....then it will just be -flesh.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/17/2009 11:15:45 PM
|
|
|
raivyne
Posts: 880
Joined: 8/28/2008
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
quote:
Because someone doesn't believe in the gift of tongues doesn't make it false. it is scriptual... today, tomorrow and yesterday.
Did I ever say I don't believe in the gift of tongues?
That is why I said someone rather than you. Though I was responding to your post there are many others involved in and reading this thread.
quote:
ORIGINAL: Ezra
quote:
Where does it say that these gifts you mention went away?
1 Cor. 13:8-13
quote:
and when does it say they went away?
1 Cor. 13:10
quote:
and why have the others in the same set of verses not gone away?
1 Pet. 4:10-11
The purpose of the spiritual gifts is the edification of others -- NOT self-edification (1 Cor. 14:3; Eph. 4:12,13). So if any time someone is teaching that some gift is for self-edification, know that this is false. The purpose of the Body is that each member contribute to the well-being of the others, not of itself (1 Cor. 12:14-25).
so the perfect has come since the writing of 1 Corinthians? Please explain your PoV on this so that I may understand where you are coming from.
Sorry but just two Sundays ago four days into a 21 day fast for guidance and direction from God a message in tongues was given (and not by me) in the service and when the interpretation was given it was specifically a message for me. No one else in the congregation knew I was fasting, or why. Nor did they know why I was praying at the alter... In fact most of them may have assumed it was because of the death of a close friend 3 days prior but it wasn't the reason I was at the alter and the message given had nothing to do with dealing with loss. Every question I asked in my prayers was specifically addressed and I received the direction and instruction I had been looking for. Furthermore the man that spoke the message normally attends evening service and our contact is very limited because I am often not in attendence for evening service... I didn't even know his name until that day when I overheard someone say it.
_____________________________
Choice happens before the bedroom.
I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly, I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. Original Hippocratic Oath, circa 400 B.C.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2009 12:15:03 AM
|
|
|
MrFribbles
Posts: 2333
Joined: 1/29/2007
From: Hawaii, but I've moved around since then
Status: offline
|
quote:
That is why I said someone rather than you.
Understood. : ) Just wanted to clarify.
_____________________________
"To the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sun is really a sun; to the humble man, and to the humble man alone, the sea is really a sea."
-G. K. Chesterton
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2009 10:17:33 AM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6733
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Ezra
The purpose of the spiritual gifts is the edification of others -- NOT self-edification (1 Cor. 14:3; Eph. 4:12,13). So if any time someone is teaching that some gift is for self-edification, know that this is false.
Well Jude might not agree with you;
(Jud 1:20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2009 10:21:18 AM
|
|
|
rcjames
Posts: 6733
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: Oklahoma
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Ezra
quote:
and when does it say they went away?
1 Cor. 13:10
I agree with you Ezra;
(1Co 13:10) But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
And when Jesus does return, there surely will be no more need for porphesy, tongues, etc.
Isn't it wonderful when great minds come together!
Thanks
RC
_____________________________
Just a country Preacher's humble opinion
Read the first chapter of my latest book here;
http://www.deliveranceofsara.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 3/18/2009 9:52:35 PM
|
|
|
PeterD
Posts: 603
Joined: 4/27/2007
Status: offline
|
Hello Ezra and rcjames
1 Corinthians 13:8-13
Love
8Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:10
10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
1 Peter 4:10-11
Living for God
10 As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace: 11whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
The purpose of the spiritual gifts is the edification of others -- NOT self-edification (1 Cor. 14:3; Eph. 4:12,13).
1 Corinthians 14:3
Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues
3On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.
Ephesians 4:12-13
Unity in the Body of Christ
12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
So if any time someone is teaching that some gift is for self-edification, know that this is false. The purpose of the Body is that each member contribute to the well-being of the others, not of itself (1 Cor. 12:14-25)
1 Corinthians 12:14-25
One Body with Many Members
14For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? 18But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you," nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, 24which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, 25that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
Ezra what was this thing that happened to my mother and myself?
When I when 9 years old I heard my mom speak in another language.
How to explain...I remember being at home curled up in a ball sick with constipation and lying on a bed near a bathroom. It was 5 days maybe more of trouble. While I was lying there my mom was crying next to me and crying out to Jesus to have mercy and heal me and asking Him to not let me die.
I didn't understand the word's she was saying at first but then I did. My mom was speaking a foriegn language and I understood what she was saying. Even though it wasn't English and English is the only language I know, still.
I remember talking to my mom about that many years later but she doesn't remember, just I do. I'm 35 years old now.
I will ask my mom again and this time with Jessica to hear about this thing that happened so long ago. Maybe this speaking in another tongue isn't an LCMS Lutheran thing to do and maybe my mom didn't want to encourage it. Maybe this is why I speak scripture instead. People still treat what I say like a foreign thing and most disagree with me as though I'm speaking a strange teaching. Which the Gospel is a strange sound to them who say no to having an ear to hear. Personally, I never spoke in the Gift of Tongues only English.
Here is my Church communities teaching on tongues
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2199
http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2198
PeterD
< Message edited by PeterD -- 3/18/2009 10:48:20 PM >
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
Yes, too bad the Holy Spirit has left.......
