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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2009 9:08:41 PM
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jjbird
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jj, are you even reading what you're posting:
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God does not speak to us audibly. quote:
Did I say that God cannot or will not speak to me?
I never said that. There it is in black and white!
What? Don't understand you my friend.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/8/2009 11:28:05 PM
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2009 8:24:53 AM
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It amazes me how people almost seem to choose to misunderstand others on this thread.
"God does not speak to us audibly" does not mean that God does not speak to us at all. Even as dense as I am I can see that.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2009 8:55:59 AM
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God does not audibly speak to us now directly.
And you base this assumption on what?
Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but I would really like to know where you get this from.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2009 10:26:44 AM
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God does not audibly speak to us now directly.
And you base this assumption on what?
Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but I would really like to know where you get this from.
Thanks
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Out of all the biblical characters we read about in scripture only a VERY VERY small select few have had God actually speak audibly to them. And God did so for specific purposes to carry out specific plans for Him.
Now we have God's Word in scripture that is used for us!
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
God gives us what we need to be equipped for every good work in scripture!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2009 7:29:24 PM
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Out of all the biblical characters we read about in scripture only a VERY VERY small select few have had God actually speak audibly to them. And God did so for specific purposes to carry out specific plans for Him.
Now we have God's Word in scripture that is used for us!
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
God gives us what we need to be equipped for every good work in scripture!
That seems to be a very weak assumptive position to limited what God can do. Especially since He has audible spoken to many as listed in Scripture, and the fact the God is no respecter of persons.
As for me and mine, we will not put limitations on what God can can and cannot do.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/9/2009 10:57:50 PM
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jjbird
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Out of all the biblical characters we read about in scripture only a VERY VERY small select few have had God actually speak audibly to them. And God did so for specific purposes to carry out specific plans for Him.
Now we have God's Word in scripture that is used for us!
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
God gives us what we need to be equipped for every good work in scripture!
That seems to be a very weak assumptive position to limited what God can do. Especially since He has audible spoken to many as listed in Scripture, and the fact the God is no respecter of persons.
As for me and mine, we will not put limitations on what God can can and cannot do.
Thanks
RC
I do not put limitations on what God can or cannot do I am going on what I have seen occur biblically.
If you obverse how many people God spoke to over thousands and thousands of years of biblical history it was a very very miniscule amount of people.
What makes you think he is going to speak to you audibly?
What does His voice sound like?
Is it deep? Does He have an accent? Is there reverb and sound effects on His voice like in the movies?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2009 9:25:24 AM
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I do not put limitations on what God can or cannot do I am going on what I have seen occur biblically.
Absolutely you are, God spoke to folks as listed in Scripture, but you say He cannot now.
You have not experienced it; so it cannot happen? (That would be arrogance of the worst form)
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If you obverse how many people God spoke to over thousands and thousands of years of biblical history it was a very very miniscule amount of people.
Has anyone said that it is an every hour ecperience? No just that it can and has happened.
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What makes you think he is going to speak to you audibly?
He may or He may not, maybe He has or maybe Hehas not; the point is that God has spoken in an audible voice to men, He is no respecter of persons, and He will and does continue as He always has done.
Tongues are real, and so is God speaking to man; through the Scripture, through tongues and interpretation, into our hearts, and in His own audible voice.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2009 4:41:25 PM
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I do not put limitations on what God can or cannot do I am going on what I have seen occur biblically.
Absolutely you are, God spoke to folks as listed in Scripture, but you say He cannot now.
You have not experienced it; so it cannot happen? (That would be arrogance of the worst form)
Please go back and reread my post. I never said that God cannot! Please do not put words in my mouth.
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What makes you think he is going to speak to you audibly?
He may or He may not, maybe He has or maybe Hehas not; the point is that God has spoken in an audible voice to men, He is no respecter of persons, and He will and does continue as He always has done.
How do you know it is God's voice you are hearing? How do you know He will continue to speak to men audibly? Where in the bible did it say that God will continue to speak to men audibly or directly?
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Tongues are real, and so is God speaking to man; through the Scripture, through tongues and interpretation, into our hearts, and in His own audible voice.
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RC
I know tongues are real however I believe they were real in biblical times. I do not believe they are necessary today. I believe they ceased a few short generations after the apostles.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2009 5:35:33 PM
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Okay, jj, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You posted above that "God does not speak to us audibly". Then you stated that you never said "God cannot or will not speak to me". So, if God can or will speak to you, why does He not speak audibly to us?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/10/2009 7:20:51 PM
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I know tongues are real however I believe they were real in biblical times. I do not believe they are necessary today. I believe they ceased a few short generations after the apostles.
Let's see God used to speak audibly to men, but He does not anymore, Tongues used to be real, but they aree not anymore.
God used to save folks throught thier faith in Chirst, has that passed away also?
how about some Scrptures to support all this ceasing that you are refering to? or do you also think that Scripture is no longer relevant?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2009 12:32:46 AM
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Okay, jj, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. You posted above that "God does not speak to us audibly". Then you stated that you never said "God cannot or will not speak to me". So, if God can or will speak to you, why does He not speak audibly to us?
The context of my initial statement is that God does not speak to us audibly today because it is not necessary since we have the Bible which is His perfect inerrant word!
We have God's perfect word to give us everything we need to live a Godly life.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Peter 1:3 His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
The bible give us everything we need!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/11/2009 11:07:26 AM
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The bible give us everything we need!
Which version would that be?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 6:18:03 PM
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The bible give us everything we need!
Which version would that be?
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RC
Which version?
There are many great translations to choose from. Each have their weaknesses and strengths however as far as the doctrine of salvation they are all accurate.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 6:20:56 PM
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The context of my initial statement is that God does not speak to us audibly today because it is not necessary since we have the Bible which is His perfect inerrant word!
So we should also ignore the admonitions and advice of fellow believers? Also, we can throw out all the classics of Christian writing, from Origen to Piper (two names picked at random to show an inclusio of time, not because I ascribe to their teachings, just so ya' know), right?
Also, no need to listen to sermons anymore. We can just read the Bible.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 7:39:33 PM
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The context of my initial statement is that God does not speak to us audibly today because it is not necessary since we have the Bible which is His perfect inerrant word!
So we should also ignore the admonitions and advice of fellow believers?
Never said that nor implied it.
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Also, we can throw out all the classics of Christian writing, from Origen to Piper (two names picked at random to show an inclusio of time, not because I ascribe to their teachings, just so ya' know), right?
Also, no need to listen to sermons anymore. We can just read the Bible.
You are taking the discussion into a completely different direction that I was not speaking about.
I was not talking about those things at all. You have missed my point.
Now we are comparing apples to oranges
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 8:33:39 PM
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You are taking the discussion into a completely different direction that I was not speaking about.
You were saying God does not speak to us audibly, because we have the Bible. In your words -
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The bible give us everything we need!
If the Bible gives us everything we need, then we have no need for Christian friends, Christian writers, or Christian preachers.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 10:55:51 PM
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You are taking the discussion into a completely different direction that I was not speaking about.
You were saying God does not speak to us audibly, because we have the Bible. In your words -
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The bible give us everything we need!
If the Bible gives us everything we need, then we have no need for Christian friends, Christian writers, or Christian preachers.
First of all the context of my comments about God speaking was that God does not speak to us directly in an audible voice like He did with Moses any longer.
That is the whole context of this conversation!
Secondly as far as the Bible giving us everything we need the context there is within the realm of every good work which is in the passage I originally shared where the Bible says this about itself.
Here it is again for you to see
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 11:04:46 PM
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First of all the context of my comments about God speaking was that God does not speak to us directly in an audible voice like He did with Moses any longer.
I realize that. But it still remains that if you believe the Bible is the only thing we need for everything the Christian needs in terms of good works, then we don't need Christian friends, preachers, or writers teaching us, correcting us, rebuking us, or training us in righteousness.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 11:08:17 PM
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First of all the context of my comments about God speaking was that God does not speak to us directly in an audible voice like He did with Moses any longer.
I realize that. But it still remains that if you believe the Bible is the only thing we need for everything the Christian needs in terms of good works, then we don't need Christian friends, preachers, or writers teaching us, correcting us, rebuking us, or training us in righteousness.
I have no idea why you would possibly or could possibly draw that conclusion.
The Bible says love one another! We cannot do that without friends and family
The Bible talks about using your gifts of teaching, encouraging.....etc We cannot do that without friends, family, preachers and teachers.
The Bible talks about making disciples of all nations baptizing them.
You cannot do that without people!
It is all within the context of the Bible training us for all good works!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/12/2009 11:11:22 PM
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I have no idea why you would possibly or could possibly draw that conclusion.
The Bible says love one another! We cannot do that without friends and family
The Bible talks about using your gifts of teaching, encouraging.....etc We cannot do that without friends, family, preachers and teachers.
The Bible talks about making disciples of all nations baptizing them.
You cannot do that without people!
It is all within the context of the Bible training us for all good works!
This is my point exactly! The Bible itself teaches that sitting alone, reading your Bible, is not enough to be a fully developed, mature Christian. The Bible is not all we need in our Christian life. So saying that God can't speak to us today because the Bible is all we need is not a strong argument.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2009 8:23:52 AM
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So saying that God can't speak to us today because the Bible is all we need is not a strong argument. Indeed, it becomes no argument at all when countless people testify to the experience of hearing God audibly in our lifetime! I am one of them, and it has only been once, and I was alone, so there is no "independent confirmation". Also I cannot, as a physician, specify whether an actual sound-producing voice was uttered which I heard or if my auditory cortex was stimulated to hear God audibly. But the result was the same!
Maybe that is your cynicism, jj, regarding "audible voices" from God. He does not necessarily have to produce audible sound for someone to hear Him audibly! Do you see the physical difference in these two mechanisms?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2009 8:24:56 AM
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I have no idea why you would possibly or could possibly draw that conclusion.
The Bible says love one another! We cannot do that without friends and family
The Bible talks about using your gifts of teaching, encouraging.....etc We cannot do that without friends, family, preachers and teachers.
The Bible talks about making disciples of all nations baptizing them.
You cannot do that without people!
It is all within the context of the Bible training us for all good works!
This is my point exactly! The Bible itself teaches that sitting alone, reading your Bible, is not enough to be a fully developed, mature Christian. The Bible is not all we need in our Christian life. So saying that God can't speak to us today because the Bible is all we need is not a strong argument.
The Bible explicitly states that Scripture equips the man of God for every good work.
Also we are comparing two different things. I am talking about one thing and you are talking about another. You have taking us on a tangent that is completely unnecessary. It happens on forums! 
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2009 10:29:52 AM
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Also we are comparing two different things. I am talking about one thing and you are talking about another. You have taking us on a tangent that is completely unnecessary. It happens on forums!
Well jjbird, since the thread is about tongues do you think that God speaks to man through the gifts of tongues and interpretation as outlined in 1 Corinthians 14?
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No.......Tongues is a language an actual language.
At Pentecost God enabled the apostles to speak in known human languages to proclaim God's word.
IT is not gibberish psychobabble that you hear through out churches today.
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