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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2009 12:12:43 PM
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The Bible explicitly states that Scripture equips the man of God for every good work.
Yes, but it does not say that it is the only thing needed for that equipping.
You cannot apply that 2 Tim. passage as proof-positive that God no longer speaks audibly to people. It is completely separate from the original context of that passage.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2009 12:34:31 PM
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No.......Tongues is a language an actual language.
At Pentecost God enabled the apostles to speak in known human languages to proclaim God's word.
IT is not gibberish psychobabble that you hear through out churches today.
How do you reconcile the type of tongue refered to by Paul here;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/13/2009 9:51:57 PM
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No.......Tongues is a language an actual language.
At Pentecost God enabled the apostles to speak in known human languages to proclaim God's word.
IT is not gibberish psychobabble that you hear through out churches today.
How do you reconcile the type of tongue refered to by Paul here;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
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I don't believe there is anything to reconcile here.
Maybe I am not sure what your point is......maybe you can rephrase your question?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2009 7:49:55 AM
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1 Cor 14:2 clearly refers to an "unknown" language which must be different than the "known" languages miraculously spoken by the Apostles at Pentecost. What do you think Paul is referring to here? Can people still speak in the Spirit to God as described in 1 Cor 14:2?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2009 8:03:37 AM
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I don't believe there is anything to reconcile here.
Maybe I am not sure what your point is......maybe you can rephrase your question?
You stated that all tongues were in a known language, and I gave one example that specifically states that is not the case.
So please explain how you doctrine can be correct in the light of Praying in tongues or singing in tongues as listed in 1 Cor 14.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2009 1:51:46 PM
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I don't believe there is anything to reconcile here.
Maybe I am not sure what your point is......maybe you can rephrase your question?
You stated that all tongues were in a known language, and I gave one example that specifically states that is not the case.
So please explain how you doctrine can be correct in the light of Praying in tongues or singing in tongues as listed in 1 Cor 14.
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So you assume "unknown" language means a language that no man on the planet earth speaks?
Well I would be careful not to base a doctrine of that one verse without checking other translations to make sure what you are reading is accurate.
The KJV mistranslated that verse adding the word unknown. It is not actually there!
The NASB is one of the most strict English word for word translations and look what it says:
1 Corinthians 14:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
Many other translations say the same thing.
So you have made a common mistake of relying too heavily on just one translation. I have done that too! 
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/14/2009 7:33:39 PM
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1 Corinthians 14:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
published 1971
in contemporrary english from the american standard version of 1901 which was revised
version of 1885, wow thats 3 times revised.
are is it? How did it get in english in the first place. Oh KJV. published 1611
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 12:00:26 AM
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The NASB is one of the most strict English word for word translations and look what it says:
1 Corinthians 14:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
Many other translations say the same thing.
So you have made a common mistake of relying too heavily on just one translation. I have done that too!
You had stated that;
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No.......Tongues is a language an actual language.
At Pentecost God enabled the apostles to speak in known human languages to proclaim God's word.
IT is not gibberish psychobabble that you hear through out churches today.
Then you posted a verse from your choice of translations that states that (At least some of the diverese tongues) are not known languages;
So which is is; is tongues a known language, or is it not understood by anyone; or is it bothe depending on which of the divers gifts of tongues that it is?
May I humbly suggest that you spend some time studying 1 Corinthians chapers 12 and 14 so as to come by a better understanding of tongues
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I apologize I do not understand your point. Could you reword it?
I am well aware of the chapters on tongues.
But would love to continue to discuss this with you.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 12:01:57 AM
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1 Corinthians 14:2 (New American Standard Bible)
2For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.
published 1971
in contemporrary english from the american standard version of 1901 which was revised
version of 1885, wow thats 3 times revised.
are is it? How did it get in english in the first place. Oh KJV. published 1611
God Bless
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What is your point?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 12:20:14 AM
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Both my husband and myself pray in toungues and have done for many years, My son also does. Most of my Christian friends do also.
I dont understand what the problem is. It is a gift as described in the Bible given by God.
God will never force this on anyone so if anyone doesnt want it they wont get it.
it is special and powerful, but if anyone doesnt want it then that is fine.
I would never refuse a gift that God is offering to me, why would I?
I do get rather worried though when a few who dont have this gift try to attack it, and say that it is worng or worse.That is sad, and they need to be careful what they are doing.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 9:38:01 AM
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Both my husband and myself pray in toungues and have done for many years, My son also does. Most of my Christian friends do also.
I dont understand what the problem is. It is a gift as described in the Bible given by God.
God will never force this on anyone so if anyone doesnt want it they wont get it.
it is special and powerful, but if anyone doesnt want it then that is fine.
I would never refuse a gift that God is offering to me, why would I?
I do get rather worried though when a few who dont have this gift try to attack it, and say that it is worng or worse.That is sad, and they need to be careful what they are doing.
What language do you speak when you pray?
Who interprets?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 10:19:05 AM
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What language do you speak when you pray?
Who interprets?
Well Paul says that he prayed in "Tongues" and also prayed in his known language, he also sang in "Tongues" and also sang in his know language;
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
There would be no necessity of prayer (or singing for that matter) to be interpreted since prayer is man speaking to God, and is not "Prohecy" which of course God speaking to man.
The definitive definiton of praying in tongues is given here;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 3:16:42 PM
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What language do you speak when you pray?
Who interprets?
Well Paul says that he prayed in "Tongues" and also prayed in his known language, he also sang in "Tongues" and also sang in his know language;
(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
There would be no necessity of prayer (or singing for that matter) to be interpreted since prayer is man speaking to God, and is not "Prohecy" which of course God speaking to man.
The definitive definiton of praying in tongues is given here;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Thanks
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A tongue is a language that's it! Nothing more nothing less.
Unknown does not mean some angelic language that is above and beyond what humans can understand.
He is saying a foreign language that someone might not know or understand.
For instance if Paul spoke to me in Spanish that would be an unknown tongue to me because I do not speak Spanish. I would need an interpreter.
tongue is just another word for language.....the context is human languages.
See Acts 1 for context....tongues were known languages that people spoke.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/15/2009 3:42:52 PM
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A tongue is a language that's it! Nothing more nothing less.
Unknown does not mean some angelic language that is above and beyond what humans can understand.
He is saying a foreign language that someone might not know or understand.
For instance if Paul spoke to me in Spanish that would be an unknown tongue to me because I do not speak Spanish. I would need an interpreter.
tongue is just another word for language.....the context is human languages.
See Acts 1 for context....tongues were known languages that people spoke.
So you seem so steadfastly to believe, even in the face of Scriptural evidence of something different.
The Tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost were one of the "Divers" tongues promised in;
(1Co 12:10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers (different) kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
May I suggest that you spend some time studying Scripture and not clinging so despertly to what some man has taught you.
I mean that seriously, and not in a demeaning manner, for as Scripture says;
(1Jn 2:27) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 8:50:01 AM
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So you seem so steadfastly to believe, even in the face of Scriptural evidence of something different.
Well RC I disagree wholeheartedly. I believe you are basing doctrine off of not only a poor translation but you are always ignoring biblical context which is the number one rule of biblical interpretation.
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The Tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost were one of the "Divers" tongues promised in;
(1Co 12:10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers (different) kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Read Acts 2 again.....the tongues were actual languages.
Acts 2:6-12
6When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11(both Jews and converts to Judaism Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 9:57:21 AM
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Read Acts 2 again.....the tongues were actual languages.
I agree that the tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost were the languages of those in attendance from other countries.
But Praying in tongues, or singing in tongues, or prophecying in tongues are something entirely different.
praying in tongues is speaking to God and Scriptures says no one understands the language;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
See that; no man understandeth him.
These different "Types" of tongues are well explained in;
(1Co 12:10) and to another workings of powers, to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; and to another kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues.
Different kinds of tongues (note the plural kinds of tongues); A language the speaker doen not understand, a language no one understands, a language only one with the gift of interpretation understands; Different kinds of tongues.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 10:05:41 AM
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Read Acts 2 again.....the tongues were actual languages.
I agree that the tongues spoken on the day of Pentecost were the languages of those in attendance from other countries.
But Praying in tongues, or singing in tongues, or prophecying in tongues are something entirely different.
praying in tongues is speaking to God and Scriptures says no one understands the language;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
See that; no man understandeth him.
These different "Types" of tongues are well explained in;
(1Co 12:10) and to another workings of powers, to another prophecy; and to another discerning of spirits; and to another kinds of tongues; and to another the interpretation of tongues.
Different kinds of tongues (note the plural kinds of tongues); A language the speaker doen not understand, a language no one understands, a language only one with the gift of interpretation understands; Different kinds of tongues.
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No one understands them for two reasons.
1. No interpreter is present
2. It is just ecstatic utterances
Also the word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians 14:2 is not found in the Greek text.
So you would be wise not to use that version to prove your point. The translators put parenthesis around the word to show this.
You are building a doctrine around a word that is not even there in the Greek manuscripts.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 11:25:01 AM
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2. It is just ecstatic utterances Is this a problem, jj? Does God know the intent and feeling of our heart if we speak in "ecstatic utterances"?
For the record, I agree with you that "tongues" in Acts specifically refers to known foreign languages. But I do not agree that those who use prayer language or estatic utterances in their private time with God are making up false doctrine!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 1:35:29 PM
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No one understands them for two reasons.
1. No interpreter is present
2. It is just ecstatic utterances
Also the word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians 14:2 is not found in the Greek text.
So you would be wise not to use that version to prove your point. The translators put parenthesis around the word to show this.
You are building a doctrine around a word that is not even there in the Greek manuscripts.
You are correct that "Unknown" is not in the Greek manuscripts.
But Paul writes;
(1Co 14:2) For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. For no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
another translation
(1Co 14:2) If you speak languages that others don't know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands.
I am sure that when the Holy Spirit is praying through a person in a tongue that no one understans; that God understands
Praying in tongues; man speaking to God; not man.
Singing in tongues; man worshiping God, not man.
Prophecy in tongues; God speaking to man; and has to be intrepreted in the language of the person inted to hear.
As I have posted numerous times there are Differnt kinds of tongues listed in Scripture.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 3:40:56 PM
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No one understands them for two reasons.
1. No interpreter is present
2. It is just ecstatic utterances
Also the word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians 14:2 is not found in the Greek text.
So you would be wise not to use that version to prove your point. The translators put parenthesis around the word to show this.
You are building a doctrine around a word that is not even there in the Greek manuscripts.
You are correct that "Unknown" is not in the Greek manuscripts.
But Paul writes;
(1Co 14:2) For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. For no one hears, but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
another translation
(1Co 14:2) If you speak languages that others don't know, God will understand what you are saying, though no one else will know what you mean. You will be talking about mysteries that only the Spirit understands.
I am sure that when the Holy Spirit is praying through a person in a tongue that no one understans; that God understands
Praying in tongues; man speaking to God; not man.
Singing in tongues; man worshiping God, not man.
Prophecy in tongues; God speaking to man; and has to be intrepreted in the language of the person inted to hear.
As I have posted numerous times there are Differnt kinds of tongues listed in Scripture.
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A tongue is another word for language....that's it!
So another tongue is referring to another language. The context is human languages.
From the OT to the new the referrence of tongues refers to languages men speak.
If someone does not understand a certain tongue or language it is because they do not speak that language.
I travel all over the world for my job......I do not speak Japanese, Arabic, German, Hebrew, French, Spanish, Dutch.....etc
Those tongues I do not speak. I speak only the English tongue.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 4:06:05 PM
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A tongue is another word for language....that's it!
You are correct here.
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So another tongue is referring to another language. The context is human languages .
Now necessarily, In the New Testament Scripure speaks to;
(1Co 13:1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
That would be the language of angels, not human languages and then there is;
(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Where no one understands the language the Holy Spirit is using in a prayer languse for a person; not a human language or someone would understand it.
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From the OT to the new the referrence of tongues refers to languages men speak.
Please see answer above.
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If someone does not understand a certain tongue or language it is because they do not speak that language.
That would go without saying, and the prayer language the the Holy Spirit gives us no man understands.
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I travel all over the world for my job......I do not speak Japanese, Arabic, German, Hebrew, French, Spanish, Dutch.....etc
From over 20 years on the Mission field, I have learned a nubmer of foriegn languages and dialects, but that has nothing to do with the tongues given by the Holy Spirit.
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Those tongues I do not speak. I speak only the English tongue.
Well if you would seek the fullness (Baptism) of the Holy Spirit as spoken to in Scripture; then you might speak in a number of the worlds languages, and in some that no one understands.
One should not be timit about seeking this for Christ Himself addresses it very plainly and simply;
(Luk 11:10) For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
(Luk 11:11) If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
(Luk 11:12) Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
(Luk 11:13) If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Just believe and ask; that's all it takes.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 5:04:26 PM
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A tongue is another word for language....that's it!
You are correct here.
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So another tongue is referring to another language. The context is human languages
What the Corinthians mostly needed more of was a LOVE!!! That is the context of Paul's discussion with them!
If they were focused on loving others instead of self they would not have flaunted their gifts!
Verses 1-3 of 1 Corinthians 13 are a series of obvious hyberboles....deliberate exaggerations for effect to make a point to the Corinthians.
They are certainly not meant to be taken literally.
No one can speak in the languages of angels.....but even if someone could it would be meaningless without love! That is exactly Paul's point!
The neopentecostal claim of the power to speak in angelic tongues is wholly unfounded!
Tongues is simply an Elizabethan (more poetic) term to describe a human language.
Now necessarily, In the New Testament Scripure speaks to;
(1Co 13:1) Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/16/2009 9:31:08 PM
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Tongues is simply an Elizabethan (more poetic) term to describe a human language.
Well not quite; the word translated tongues comes from the greek word'
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glōssa
gloce'-sah
Of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired)
The Greek worde for a naturally learned human language is;
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dialektos
dee-al'-ek-tos
From G1256; a (mode of) discourse, that is, “dialect”: - language, tongue.
Dialektos is a naturally aqcuired language.(like your basic enviromentally learned langueage)
Glossa is an un-naturally acquired langues ( like the one given by the Holy Spirit and used as a prayer language) Which is why they translators inserted the work "Unknown" into the Scripture when translating Glossa for English did not have one word that described "Glossa".
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 7/17/2009 10:11:04 PM
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Tongues is simply an Elizabethan (more poetic) term to describe a human language.
Well not quite; the word translated tongues comes from the greek word'
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glōssa
gloce'-sah
Of uncertain affinity; the tongue; by implication a language (specifically one naturally unacquired)
The Greek worde for a naturally learned human language is;
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dialektos
dee-al'-ek-tos
From G1256; a (mode of) discourse, that is, “dialect”: - language, tongue.
Dialektos is a naturally aqcuired language.(like your basic enviromentally learned langueage)
Glossa is an un-naturally acquired langues ( like the one given by the Holy Spirit and used as a prayer language) Which is why they translators inserted the work "Unknown" into the Scripture when translating Glossa for English did not have one word that described "Glossa".
Thanks
RC
From the Vines Expository Dictionary of New Testament Biblical Words
<A-1,Noun,1100,glossa>
is used of (1) the "tongues ... like as of fire" which appeared at Pentecost; (2) "the tongue," as an organ of speech, e.g., Mark 7:33; Rom. 3:13; 14:11; 1 Cor. 14:9; Phil. 2:11; Jas. 1:26; 3:5,6,8; 1 Pet. 3:10; 1 John 3:18; Rev. 16:10; (3) (a) "a language," coupled with phule, "a tribe," laos, "a people," ethnos, "a nation," seven times in the Apocalypse, Rev. 5:9; 7:9; 10:11; 11:9; 13:7; 14:6; 17:15; (b) "the supernatural gift of speaking in another language without its having been learnt;" in Acts 2:4-13 the circumstances are recorded from the viewpoint of the hearers; to those in whose language the utterances were made it appeared as a supernatural phenomenon; to others, the stammering of drunkards; what was uttered was not addressed primarily to the audience but consisted in recounting "the mighty works of God;" cp. Acts 2:46; in 1 Cor., chapters 12 and 14, the use of the gift of "tongues" is mentioned as exercised in the gatherings of local churches; 1 Cor. 12:10 speaks of the gift in general terms, and couples with it that of "the interpretation of tongues;" chapt. 14 gives instruction concerning the use of the gift, the paramount object being the edification of the church; unless the "tongue" was interpreted the speaker would speak "not unto men, but unto God," 1 Cor. 14:2; he would edify himself alone, 1 Cor. 14:4, unless he interpreted, 1 Cor. 14:5, in which case his interpretation would be of the same value as the superior gift of prophesying, as he would edify the church, 1 Cor. 14:4-6; he must pray that he may interpret, 1 Cor. 14:13; if there were no interpreter, he must keep silence, 1 Cor. 14:28, for all things were to be done "unto edifying," 1 Cor. 14:26. "If I come ... speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you," says the Apostle (expressing the great object in all oral ministry), "unless I speak to you either by way of revelation, or of knowledge, or of prophesying, or of teaching?" (1 Cor 14:6). "Tongues" were for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers, 1 Cor. 14:22, and especially to unbelieving Jews (see 1 Cor. 14:21): cp. the passages in the Acts.
There is no evidence of the continuance of this gift after apostolic times nor indeed in the later times of the Apostles themselves; this provides confirmation of the fulfillment in this way of 1 Cor. 13:8, that this gift would cease in the churches, just as would "prophecies" and "knowledge" in the sense of knowledge received by immediate supernatural power (cp. 1 Cor. 14:6). The completion of the Holy Scriptures has provided the churches with all that is necessary for individual and collective guidance, instruction, and edification.
<A-2,Noun,1258,dialektos>
"language" (Eng., "dialect"), is rendered "tongue" in the AV of Acts 1:19; 2:6,8; 21:40; 22:2; 26:14. See LANGUAGE.
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