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SnapperBug -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (9/10/2009 1:49:51 AM)

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4. there is one baptism--you either are complete or without. upon salvation you receive everything you need. you don't need another dose, another baptism or another power. see Col. 2:10. we are complete in Him. no need to beg and cry to speak in another language.


I attended a Free Methodist church then a Baptist Church. At the time I believed that the gift of tongues was one of many spiritual gifts that you could receive, but didnt have to receive to be "saved".

Many years have gone by, and I decided to take hte challenge of reading the entire Bible.

When I was reading through Acts, I came accross this...

NIV
Acts 2 - When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire and separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the spirit enabled them.

So the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a seperate situation of being saved. You dont have to have this gift to be saved, but its a gift that anyone can receive.



rcjames -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (9/10/2009 9:16:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SnapperBug

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4. there is one baptism--you either are complete or without. upon salvation you receive everything you need. you don't need another dose, another baptism or another power. see Col. 2:10. we are complete in Him. no need to beg and cry to speak in another language.


I attended a Free Methodist church then a Baptist Church. At the time I believed that the gift of tongues was one of many spiritual gifts that you could receive, but didnt have to receive to be "saved".

Many years have gone by, and I decided to take hte challenge of reading the entire Bible.

When I was reading through Acts, I came accross this...

NIV
Acts 2 - When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire and separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the spirit enabled them.

So the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a seperate situation of being saved. You dont have to have this gift to be saved, but its a gift that anyone can receive.


Snapperbug, I consider your assessment to be spot on correct.

Thanks
RC



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Eutychus -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/22/2009 4:57:14 PM)

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...but its a gift that anyone can receive.

Paul seems to disagree with you:

All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
-1 Corinthians 12:29-30

Unless you think the answer is "yes" to all of them, in which case, it would nullify the rest of the chapter where Paul tells us that the body is made up of individual believers with different gifts and callings from the Holy Spirit so that together we are whole, with the Holy Spirit "distributing to each one individually just as He wills."



rcjames -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/28/2009 11:54:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

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...but its a gift that anyone can receive.

Paul seems to disagree with you:

All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
-1 Corinthians 12:29-30

Unless you think the answer is "yes" to all of them, in which case, it would nullify the rest of the chapter where Paul tells us that the body is made up of individual believers with different gifts and callings from the Holy Spirit so that together we are whole, with the Holy Spirit "distributing to each one individually just as He wills."


I concur with your assessment of the above passage, but would not discourage folks who do not speak in tongues from seeking such, as I would include the very next verse;

(1Co 12:31) But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

BTW Euty, glad to see you on the side of the fence that believes tongues can be real and are given by the Holy Spirit for folks to profit from;

(1Co 12:7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

Thanks
RC



Katie51 -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/28/2009 12:05:33 PM)

i have questions about speaking in tongues. sometimes when i pray alone i speak in a language or with sounds i dont understand. it just comes, softly. It seems to flow naturally but i can stop it. some ideas with Scripture please? I'm not talking about anything that happens in corporate worship, its just in my alone times with God. is this real? thanks



rcjames -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/28/2009 12:35:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Katie51

i have questions about speaking in tongues. sometimes when i pray alone i speak in a language or with sounds i dont understand. it just comes, softly. It seems to flow naturally but i can stop it. some ideas with Scripture please? I'm not talking about anything that happens in corporate worship, its just in my alone times with God. is this real? thanks


When speaking to the gifts of tongues from the Holy Spirit Paul writes;

(1Co 12:10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Please note that there are different kinds of tongues.

As for praying in tongues;

(1Co 14:2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

This kind of tongue is man speaking to God (prayer), no one understands it and it is not to be interpreted.

Paul also mentions praying in tongues here;

(1Co 14:14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

(1Co 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Paul says he prays in tongues, and prays in a known language.

Jude also mentions prayer here;

(Jud 1:20) But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

I would suggest that if your spirit is not troubled by this "Prayer language"; then rejoice in it and build up ;your most Holy Faith.

Thanks
RC



DaveW -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/28/2009 2:21:51 PM)

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i have questions about speaking in tongues. sometimes when i pray alone i speak in a language or with sounds i dont understand. it just comes, softly. It seems to flow naturally but i can stop it.
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I would suggest that if your spirit is not troubled by this "Prayer language"; then rejoice in it and build up ;your most Holy Faith.
I completly agree with RC.

What you describe is how many people experience their prayer language. Your being able to stop it falls right into line with this:

1Co 14:32 the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets.

That is in context with speaking in tongues and/or prophecying. It means that it is not something that just takes over control from your consious mind. You have control of it as to how and when to express it.



Katie51 -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/28/2009 4:46:22 PM)

thanks to all who have replied. I am going to study the scriptures you mentioned. I grew up Baptist and we didnt discuss this. Its all very new to me and I really didnt know what to think. again ty.



rcjames -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/28/2009 7:29:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Katie51

thanks to all who have replied. I am going to study the scriptures you mentioned. I grew up Baptist and we didnt discuss this. Its all very new to me and I really didnt know what to think. again ty.


Certain groups do not teach nor discuss certain areas of Scritpure.

Just open your heart and hear what the Spirit of God has to say about our beloved Scripures.

Thanks
RC



B1inhim -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/29/2009 12:28:29 AM)

It is the teachers of the edict of tolerance that has aided in diminishing the effects of this wonderful experience.
T
he Eunuch in Acts chapter eight was baptized in water for the remission of his sins, in that he believed and was baptized.

This is an act of belief and an open act of faith as well as declaration; professing to the world that one believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but he didn’t speak in tongues.
The baptism of Holy Spirit is separate from this act of obedience.
For many, this difference eludes them. It is a mystery.
The bottom line is this.
Belief.
If you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and that GOD has raised Him from the dead, you are saved.
Mk.16:
AND these signs will follow them that believe, In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly poison it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and the sick will recover."
PERIOD
There are six elements that we make (so to speak) as a believer, wood hay and stubble and gold silver and precious stones. (I Cor. 3:12)
These are the elements that are tested in the fire at the end and whatever is eternal will survive the flames of fire.

The petty indifferences that have been separating the Body of Christ must come to end NOW.

We are a royal priesthood, ministers of reconciliation, a chosen generation, His own special people, a holy nation, proclaiming the praises of Him who called you OUT of the darkness into His marvelous light.
Those who do not see the light or understand what it is that sets us apart from the rest of this evil and wicked world, even after GREAT exegesis (an explanation or critical interpretation of a text) concerning the things of GOD.
Will continue to stumble, they are disobedient to the Word and are appointed to continue to stumble.

Either accepts it and receives the fullness of the Spirit in Truth or rejects it and continues to stumble in their own foolishness.

Professing to be wise according to the dictates of this world they are confounded by the wisdom of GOD, which is foolishness to them.

Speaking in tongues is a GOD given right and every single solitary person who believes that Jesus Christ is Lord and is baptized has the right to speak in tongues.

However, just because you do not speak in tongues, does not mean that you are NOT saved.
That is Gods call, not ours.

It is like having a $20.00 bill tucked in a secret place in a billfold that you were given as a gift from a loved one. You have it; you just don't know that you do, so you don't use it.
I said "However, just because you do not speak in tongues, does not mean that you are NOT saved."
I am going to leave this like this.

Just because you do not speak in tongues, does not mean that you are not saved. It only means that you either do not know about it, do not want it or are just plain ignorant by choice OR you have been taught that it is not for everybody. And the following scripture is used… 1 Cor. 12:30 (KJV) Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Lord Jesus said " Mark 16:17-18
AND these signs will follow them that believe, In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly poison it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and the sick will recover."
PERIOD
If you do not agree with this you are not agreeing with GOD.
That is not something that is my responsibility to tell you to do or not to do.
Spiritual arrogance says, " I am saved, no matter what."
Spiritual arrogance says "I do not see it therefore it does not apply to me."
It is the spiritually arrogant who help others walking in their own conceits and not that of Gods understanding.

You see the scriptures and have you yourself given them, why do you still ask where and why?
I have told you plainly.
We all have the gift of Life in Christ. The gift of tongues in 1 Cor. 12:30 is separate (if you please) from the ordained right of birth to speak in new tongues according to Mark 16:17-18 .

Yes, I have the gift of speaking in different tongues. And I speak in tongues as well.

In the congregation, I have had the honor of being given interpretation of tongues, which is the equivalence of prophecy.
Yet, while alone, I speak in tongues in worship and fellowship to and with GOD.
I simply ask for interpretation and my understanding is fruitful.
The enemy of my soul is confounded and I have direct fellowship with God in heaven.

This is ONE of the reasons why there are so many people who are confounded by this special right of birth and the gift of tongues.
Each has the billfold of GOD in Christ Jesus. In that, there are many different gifts and rights of birth that set us apart from this wicked generation.
These gifts and rights of birth are clearly opened to those who are His and hidden from those who are not.
To accept them as they are and go and grow is what being a seed of the “good ground” is all about. To reject them and/or even deny that they apply to US who are in JesUS is to reject and/or deny the power thereof.
The choice is our’s to make.
Plain and simple.



B1inhim -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/29/2009 12:45:20 PM)

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Paul seems to disagree with you:

All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
-1 Corinthians 12:29-30

Unless you think the answer is "yes" to all of them, in which case, it would nullify the rest of the chapter where Paul tells us that the body is made up of individual believers with different gifts and callings from the Holy Spirit so that together we are whole, with the Holy Spirit "distributing to each one individually just as He wills."

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This is speaking directly concerning the gift of tongues...
However, there is another that should also be considered as well

Lord Jesus speaking;
Mark 16:15-18 (KJV)
And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. [16] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. [17] And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [18] They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

This is to those that simply believe... there are no strings attached nor any rules to follow... the rules apply to the operation of a gift in a group... not the individule alone with GOD...

BTW, many have concluded that this was not written by Mark and therefore not GOD... This servant says, if it is wrtten and it applies to my salvation and empowers us in Him, it doen't matter who wrote it, God said it and that settles it.



wacotton -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (10/29/2009 5:34:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Eutychus

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...but its a gift that anyone can receive.

Paul seems to disagree with you:

All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?
-1 Corinthians 12:29-30

Unless you think the answer is "yes" to all of them, in which case, it would nullify the rest of the chapter where Paul tells us that the body is made up of individual believers with different gifts and callings from the Holy Spirit so that together we are whole, with the Holy Spirit "distributing to each one individually just as He wills."

What is the context of the chapter? Is Paul writing about personal gifts for our own benefit? No, he is writing about corporate gifts for ministering to others. One of the gifts listed is faith, so do some of us not need faith? Without faith it is impossible to please God. Obviously this gift of faith is above and beyond the faith we need for personal salvation. The context shows it is a gift of faith for ministering to others. Similarly, there are two different uses for tongues, one for personal prayer and one for ministering to others through prophesy. The two should not be confused. Of the multitude who can pray in tongues only a small percentage can actually give an utterance in tongues that is followed by an interpretation. Just as there is faith necessary for our personal walk with God and then another gift given to some to minister to others so it is with tongues. There is a gift of tongues for our personal walk with God and then another gift given for ministering to others. I hope this helps.



cwb -> RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread (11/1/2009 1:06:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Katie51

i have questions about speaking in tongues. sometimes when i pray alone i speak in a language or with sounds i dont understand. it just comes, softly. It seems to flow naturally but i can stop it. some ideas with Scripture please? I'm not talking about anything that happens in corporate worship, its just in my alone times with God. is this real? thanks


Probably not for any other man to answer if it's real or not. Best information is probably reading the Word, and keeping in further prayer!



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