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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 12:37:18 PM
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MrFribbles,
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If no offense was meant, then none is taken. : )
Thank you for your "Christian" response.
Godhead,
What a joy it is to reiterate that true babbeling came from the tower of Babel when God cursed mankind with the languages of man. And your post truly represents babble at its best. 
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 2:53:12 PM
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You're really getting needlessly antagonistic, Him4all. Maybe you could tone it down a bit so we could have a civil discussion.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/16/2008 3:23:12 PM
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You're really getting needlessly antagonistic, Him4all. Maybe you could tone it down a bit so we could have a civil discussion.
I agree. Him4all, you need to tone it down please.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/18/2008 8:25:47 PM
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I'm hoping someone could help me. I have never spoken in tounges in public, but I'm pretty sure that I have recently received this gift (very very recently). I was hoping someone could shed some light for me. I have these "foreign" words come to me, I guess you would say in my spirit to my mind. Is there a way to know what they mean? I know that some are given the gift of interpretation. And, this may be an ignorant question or selfish, but I would like to know what my spirit is saying or what these words mean?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/18/2008 10:49:58 PM
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awaken
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I have just in the last year or so spoke in tongues, but never in church. What I understand about tongues is that it edifies the one speaking. It builds up your spirit. When your spirit is edified it is easier to fight off the flesh.
One other thing I experienced once I started speaking in tongues is it brought a lot of my flesh to surface. I was told this happens so one can deal with it. There is a book that I am in the process of reading that has helped me understand this gift...The Walk of the Spirit-The Walk of Power(The Vital Role of Praying in Tongues)..by Dave Roberson. You can down load it for free off his web site. Just google in his name. What was so neat about this book is that I had experienced some of the things he explains but did not understand. He makes them plain to me. I hope this helps.
I do not think all are called into the ministy of Tongues-speaking in church. (1 Cor. 13:30) But I do believe all are given tongues for personal edification. I am still learning about this gift as well. It seems to have opened up a new spiritual level...and it has been very rewarding.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/18/2008 11:12:59 PM
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MrFribbles
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What I understand about tongues is that it edifies the one speaking.
Then why, in your opinion, does Paul say all Spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the Body of Christ?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 8:03:39 AM
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4ChristisLove
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I have just in the last year or so spoke in tongues, but never in church. What I understand about tongues is that it edifies the one speaking. It builds up your spirit. When your spirit is edified it is easier to fight off the flesh.
One other thing I experienced once I started speaking in tongues is it brought a lot of my flesh to surface. I was told this happens so one can deal with it. There is a book that I am in the process of reading that has helped me understand this gift...The Walk of the Spirit-The Walk of Power(The Vital Role of Praying in Tongues)..by Dave Roberson. You can down load it for free off his web site. Just google in his name. What was so neat about this book is that I had experienced some of the things he explains but did not understand. He makes them plain to me. I hope this helps.
I do not think all are called into the ministy of Tongues-speaking in church. (1 Cor. 13:30) But I do believe all are given tongues for personal edification. I am still learning about this gift as well. It seems to have opened up a new spiritual level...and it has been very rewarding.
Thank you so much!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 10:26:43 AM
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awaken
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What I understand about tongues is that it edifies the one speaking.
Then why, in your opinion, does Paul say all Spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the Body of Christ?
Tongues in the church with interpretation will build the church up. I see tongues on a personal level can absolutly help the church as well. If I spend time alone with God in prayer and my Spirit is strengthened....It has to help the body.
Illustration: As a body part, you exercise and build up your muscles it adds strength to the whole body(physically). We are all part of the body of Christ...tongues builds up our spirit, therefore we can add strength to the body(church).
Edifying yourself is not a bad thing... because in Jude we are told to build up ourselves by praying in the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 1:04:05 PM
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MrFribbles
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Tongues in the church with interpretation will build the church up.
Agreed. : )
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Illustration: As a body part, you exercise and build up your muscles it adds strength to the whole body(physically). We are all part of the body of Christ...tongues builds up our spirit, therefore we can add strength to the body(church).
An exercising muscle cannot operate without the rest of the body. For example, let's say an arm is lifting a weight. It is not the muscle alone that is doing the work here. The arm bones are needed to make it possible. The circulatory system is needed to carry the blood to the arm so that it can work. The heart is needed to pump that blood. The lungs are needed to put the oxygen into the blood. The entire digestive system is needed to ensure that arm muscle has the energy it needs to exercise. In the same way, Spiritual gifts are used to the common good (1 Corinthians 12:7). Given the message of 1 Corinthians 12, I cannot see how one can say that Spiritual gifts are to be used for the individual's edification. Granted, there may be some personal growth through the implementation of the gifts, but that's a side-effect, never the main goal.
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Edifying yourself is not a bad thing
Obviously not. : ) But, using a Spiritual gift which is meant to edify the Body, to edify only yourself, is. In my opinion, anyway.
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because in Jude we are told to build up ourselves by praying in the Holy Spirit.
That doesn't necessarily equate to praying in tongues. A prayer being led by the Spirit does not mean it is in a tongue. It also does not mean it is a Spiritual gift, and so praying in the Spirit is certainly acceptable for self-edification.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 6:00:06 PM
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I have these "foreign" words come to me, I guess you would say in my spirit to my mind. Is there a way to know what they mean? I know that some are given the gift of interpretation. And, this may be an ignorant question or selfish, but I would like to know what my spirit is saying or what these words mean?
I had a churchmate translate my tongues. We were all speaking in tongues and she said that she heard mine in English. The translation was basically what I kept praying to God, what was in my heart at that time. I believed her because she couldn't have known that. So basically, it's the same prayer you're praying to God.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 6:28:16 PM
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Then why, in your opinion, does Paul say all Spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the Body of Christ?
Why?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 10:30:07 PM
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Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
(1Co 13:8)
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
(1Co 13:13)
Paul made it clear that the dispensation of gift would cease.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
(1Co 13:9-10)
For they knew in part but with the completion of scripture we know all we need to know.
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope.
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Faith hope and love is not for the time when Christ returns but for us now.
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. (Rom 8:24-25)
How then can it be when Christ returns?
Anyone who claims to have gifts of the spirit are deceiving themselves and others. What profit is there in deceiving others or even ourselves. Let us just have faith, let us live in hope, and let us abide by the law of love. But ultimately, its up to the individual. You can claim to have gifts from the Holy Spirit and be rejected by Christ on His return (Matt 7:22-23) or you can obey what Paul has revealed to us in 1 Corinthians Chapter 13. Both roads are now set before you. Make your choice. I know who's side I am on 
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 10:57:57 PM
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awaken
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You missed a few scriptures in that chapter....vs 12...for now we see through a glass darkly; but then face to face(when will you see Him face to face?) We know in part because the prophecies come in part, but then we will know all things( We will not know all things until Christ comes back.)
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 11:00:36 PM
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awaken
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For they knew in part but with the completion of scripture we know all we need to know.
So are you saying that we will not learn any more when we see Jesus Face to Face?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 11:04:29 PM
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MrFribbles
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Then why, in your opinion, does Paul say all Spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the Body of Christ?
Why?
Yep, that's my question. It was asked in response to awaken's statement that tongues are used to edify the individual, when I believe Paul clearly states that Spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the Body only.
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I am not sure you can split a hair that thin......
Watch me. ; ) (I kid, I kid)
But seriously, I don't think one can be accused of splitting hairs when one is seeking to more properly understand and apply Scripture.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 11:40:45 PM
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awaken
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Just wondering if some one would comment on 1 Cor. 12:28.....diversities of tongues....What does this say to us?
Doesn't this mean difference? like divers kinds of tongues? Is this saying that there are different manifestations of tongues?
Maybe this will clear some confusion, when we understand that there are different manifestations of tongues.
We have tongues for edification (1 Cor.14:4) This is the tongues that we see in Acts 2;10;19.
Tongues for interpretation (1 Cor. 14:5)This is for public assembly, with an interpretation.
Tongues for deep intercessional groanings(Rom.8:26)This is for people to stand in the gap for themselves and others.
Tongues as a sign to the unbeliever(1 Cor. 14:22)This also happened on the day of Pentecost (acts2:4-11)
The one used to edify ourselves is when we are filled with the Holy Spirit...it transfers divine secrets from His Spirit to ours. This builds you up by building into your spirit godly traits..love,and insight into God's Word, and wisdom to know right form wrong, truth from false.
We can be told to walk in love...but only the Spirit can empower us to do it. I believe praying in tongues helps with this.
The Spirit and the word are one(1 John 5:7) Praying in the Spirit never take away from the Bible..it gives us more revelation about the word. As the Spirit prays through us....he always agrees with scripture.
If we experience the power of prayer through building ourselves up....it has to edify the Body as well. The stronger the parts....the stronger the whole.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 11:49:14 PM
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MrFribbles
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Just wondering if some one would comment on 1 Cor. 14:28.....diversities of tongues....What does this say to us?
I'm not sure what this verse has to do with a diversity of tongues. "But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God." Is that the verse you meant, or did you put the wrong number?
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Tongues for deep intercessional groanings(Rom.8:26)This is for people to stand in the gap for themselves and others.
Except those groanings cannot be uttered. It doesn't say they can't be understood - they cannot be uttered. I feel this verse cannot be speaking of tongues.
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If we experience the power of prayer through building ourselves up....it has to edify the Body as well. The stronger the parts....the stronger the whole.
Could you please show me, in Scripture, where it is taught that Spiritual gifts are to be used to build up the individual? : )
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 11:51:17 PM
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awaken
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I fixed the scripture it was 12:28. sorry!
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/19/2008 11:53:15 PM
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awaken
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In 1 Cor. 14:4 says that he that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself....
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/20/2008 12:01:32 AM
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awaken
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The groanings may not be uttered by us(our understanding) but it can be prayed through us...tongues. The Spirit knows what to pray even when we do not. He still uses us as he vocalizes.
If we take the verse that the Spirit prays for us....and just sit around and say well we do not need to pray...the Spirit is praying for us....This is ridiculous! The spirit prays through us...How do you explain this?
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/20/2008 12:11:17 AM
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Anyone who claims to have gifts of the spirit are deceiving themselves and others.
Anyone who denies the Holy Spirit is deceiving themself, sir. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit after he ascended whether you think so or not. Spiritual gifts are real - whether you think so or not. FURTHER the Holy Spirit is, HIMSELF a gift to believers - you have first right of refusal I guess......
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/20/2008 12:32:01 AM
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Could you please show me, in Scripture, where it is taught that Spiritual gifts are to be used to build up the individual? : )
Sigh.......You don't have to accept it. Last time I looked, there were individuals in church - can you imagine if no one ever prayed to God outside of church?
I CORINTHINANS 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
God IS spirit - He is not 'A' spirit - He is spirit. Angels are spirits - more than one. ONLY one God. He says, "I AM" "I AM THAT I AM"
Those who worship God must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Our spirits are dead unless we are saved. When we receive the Holy Spirit he revives us - I do not believe you must speak in tongues to go to heaven. I do not see where the Bible says that. But you most certainly can and do speak in tongues if you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Those who are, know that to be true. Those who are not, don't know what we are talking about and so we get called all kinds of things and accused of saying all kinds of things we don't say - at least I know I don't. I grew up in a church where the Holy Spirit was 'allowed' to sit at the back of the church.
One day I met people who allowed Him be a part of the service. He is inside me - I pray in the spirit and I sing spiritual songs. I glorify God in my spirit and with my spirit. God alone sets my spirit free to worship Him and He does this by His spirit inside of me.
Speaking in tongues is not an issue for me - and I believe there is a counterfeit and I believe people sometimes 'pretend' to speak in tongues.
That does not make what is true of no account just because it ruffles the feathers of those who point at demonic tongues and say that tongues are all the same.
Further, I do have certain gifts of the Spirit - and I pray for discernment and understanding. I do not always speak my mind because I do not care to have my pearls trampled and the sad truth is that many Christians are only too eager to do the trampling.
So, even though the ghost of Martin Luther is busy posting on here about how those with spiritual understanding are deceived, please remember that Martin Luther hated Jews and they are still God's chosen people and Jesus came as a Jew and that's good enough for me.
God bless you - I pray that the eyes of your spirit would be opened and that you would receive that which you have so little regard for, God head.
And as for you, young Mr. F, just what are you asking? To see if people know their Bibles? Or possibly just fishing to see what bites?
Discussion is good, but endless discussion about the same thing, ad nauseum, is, well, the same as if I were to post this over and over and over and over.............
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/20/2008 12:56:56 AM
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I not only enjoy your post, solarflare, I need them! They are very encouraging to a believer that is just learning how to allow the Spirit to manifest in my life. Your pearls are always welcome to my ears.
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RE: Gift of Tongues - One Stop Thread - 6/20/2008 1:07:07 AM
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Wait there, did Paul say that He would rather speak 5 clears words then 10000 in an unknown language. Well that proves what I have been saying all alone, that this babbling nonsense has nothing to do with what Paul was talking about when He said, “Unknown tongue.” For this babbling nonsense has only a few sounds, far from 10000. your honor, the defense rests
Some of those words he spoke 'in the understanding' and which we hold to be true in the Bible, tell us to speak in tongues. And that which is perfect has not yet come - WHEN WE SEE HIM FACE TO FACE. Right now we see through a glass - darkly - it's night outside - I don't see too clear right now - but when the sun comes up in the morning - VOILA! - I can see!
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