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sorry-pet pieve help please - 4/25/2008 12:08:59 PM
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drussell52
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Hi to you who read this. Just joined the CW forums and have been a believer much of my life, middle-aged, married with 2 teens. For 2 years have been studying messianic aspects of faith via resources that are "friendly" to both sides of the Body of Messiah, i.e. traditional Christian thought and Messianic apologetics. I attend a main line church, but the pastor walks the fence with me on issues like Easter, Christmas, Halloween, torah meaning law of God versus law of Moses, but from the pulpit exhibits a conventional pattern calling the flock "Easter people." Well folks, I'm torn.. Hoping to start a study group in the fall with like-minded people who may have an interest in this aspect of faith and advertising in local church newsletters, plan to use a workbook from a Messianic resource. Also, write a Hebrew word of the month for our church newsletter which may or may not get read by others.. I am not as vocal as some about the Easter Christmas issue, but, not the type to keep peace at any price either. Is there a happy medium here? Some extremists at other forums have almost suggested I am not a believer if I don't keep the commandments,well- don't buy that one as they also lambaste resources that don't go in sync with their program..? Now that I've bored you or you're thinking get a life buddy- thanks for input. Other interests will be apparent on forums here relative to those, but soooo glad to be here! See you at the forum. :) Blessings to you and yours... Drussell52
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RE: sorry-pet pieve help please - 4/25/2008 12:48:19 PM
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GrahamCracker
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Some extremists at other forums have almost suggested I am not a believer if I don't keep the commandments,well- don't buy that one as they also lambaste resources that don't go in sync with their program..? You mean the Ten Commandments? I'll have to think about my answer so as to not infringe on a thread about keeping the law. quote:
I attend a main line church, but the pastor walks the fence with me on issues like Easter, Christmas, Halloween, torah meaning law of God versus law of Moses, but from the pulpit exhibits a conventional pattern calling the flock "Easter people." Could you explain why he calls people "Easter People"? It sounds like he is tactily condemning those who choose to decorate Easter eggs and eat chocolate bunnies. No matter how strongly he feels that he cannot do that, I believe he is scripturally wrong for condemning others for doing so. He is certainly within his own biblical rights for refraining from the same. Or---is he condeming those who refrain from celebrating Easter with the traditional conventions? I am not sure I understand his stance. quote:
I am not as vocal as some about the Easter Christmas issue, but, not the type to keep peace at any price either. Is there a happy medium here? My opinion is as follows: The happy medium here is to refrain if I/you/we feel that it is wrong; and not to condemn or denigrate those who do. Likewise, those who choose to do so should not attack or denigrate anyone for refraining. I use Romans 14:3,5, 10. Every person who is fully convinced in his own mind concerning doubtful things should act on his own conscience. Those of us (me, for example) may act with freedom and we should never provoke someone to act against his own conscience. It does not mean that we cannot celebrate those things. Paul refrained, as I understand it, from anything he felt would cause the brethren to act against the beliefs of their conscience. quote:
...well- don't buy that one as they also lambaste resources that don't go in sync with their program..? I suppose there are extremists on either side. I am only sensitive when someone lambastes me. For example, I was asked (either rhetorically or not rhetorically) if I was sure my own conscience was seared as with a hot iron--because I celebrate Easter. Frankly, that is unconscionable to attack someone in that way. It is blatantly contrary to scripture, IMHO. I suppose that if I were to tell someone that they were out of the will of God for being uncomfortable with celebrating Easter or Christmas, that would be wrong as well.
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RE: sorry-pet pieve help please - 4/25/2008 2:01:07 PM
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drussell52
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Graham Cracker thanks. Easter people refers to those who honor or celebrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ Jesus during this season in the church year, no he is not attacking. The reference to keeping the comandments was the 10, but also the shema in Deut 6:4 and those in the new testament as well. Or, love results in obedience as a natural outflow of love, like the old hymn lyric, trust and obey, for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey. Perhaps tact is the way to go here.. Enjoyed your response! quote:
ORIGINAL: drussell52 Hi to you who read this. Just joined the CW forums and have been a believer much of my life, middle-aged, married with 2 teens. For 2 years have been studying messianic aspects of faith via resources that are "friendly" to both sides of the Body of Messiah, i.e. traditional Christian thought and Messianic apologetics. I attend a main line church, but the pastor walks the fence with me on issues like Easter, Christmas, Halloween, torah meaning law of God versus law of Moses, but from the pulpit exhibits a conventional pattern calling the flock "Easter people." Well folks, I'm torn.. Hoping to start a study group in the fall with like-minded people who may have an interest in this aspect of faith and advertising in local church newsletters, plan to use a workbook from a Messianic resource. Also, write a Hebrew word of the month for our church newsletter which may or may not get read by others.. I am not as vocal as some about the Easter Christmas issue, but, not the type to keep peace at any price either. Is there a happy medium here? Some extremists at other forums have almost suggested I am not a believer if I don't keep the commandments,well- don't buy that one as they also lambaste resources that don't go in sync with their program..? Now that I've bored you or you're thinking get a life buddy- thanks for input. Other interests will be apparent on forums here relative to those, but soooo glad to be here! See you at the forum. :) Blessings to you and yours... Drussell52
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RE: sorry-pet pieve help please - 4/25/2008 2:45:10 PM
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GrahamCracker
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ORIGINAL: drussell52 Graham Cracker thanks. Easter people refers to those who honor or celebrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ Jesus during this season in the church year, no he is not attacking. The reference to keeping the comandments was the 10, but also the shema in Deut 6:4 and those in the new testament as well. Or, love results in obedience as a natural outflow of love, like the old hymn lyric, trust and obey, for there's no other way to be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey. Perhaps tact is the way to go here.. Enjoyed your response! I spent my formative teen years in an independent Baptist church environment. In their hermeneutic, certain OT commands like women wearing slacks (based on the Deut. prohibition on women wearing men's clothing) and tithing are valid NT concerns even though the NT does not command either of them. There are certain eternal truths that a New Covenant does not change but I cannot agree with them any longer. But in any event, tact and love should be the norm--as well as respect for those among us with differing scruples. IMHO.
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RE: sorry-pet pieve help please - 4/28/2008 12:43:21 PM
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DougHorton
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Good post, Larry. Drussell52, this may sound trite, but let me say that the "happy medium" can only be found in Christ. First of all, as the Redeemer, holidays with pagan origins, such as Easter and Christmas, have been redeemed by Christ to now be the two days a year when unelievers will most noticably hear the message of Christ. Second, remember that, in Christ, being a Gentile believer is just as valid as being a Jewish believer. quote:
Ephesians 2:14-22 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR; for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.
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RE: sorry-pet pieve help please - 5/3/2008 6:48:21 PM
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Colossians 2:15-17 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday...Eastor, Christmas,...etc., or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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