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trying again - 6/25/2009 11:32:10 PM
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tz3
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I have heard that the apostles were kicked out of many places and they did not let this discourage them from going back in, or perhaps they left for a while and then went back in. I need to know more about this. What made them leave. What made them stay away. What drew them back and why, and how this applies to a ministry you may have left for personal reasons, nothing bad but things have changed since you left and you don't feel wanted, welcome, needed or particularly lead by God to go back in. Last but not least would you ever consider it a test to see if the person truley feels called in that area of ministry to serve if they came back even if things did change?
I know how the average person looks at this but I need to know how those in leadership look at such actions.
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RE: trying again - 6/25/2009 11:43:15 PM
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It should only take you an hour and a half to read through Acts -- why don't you do that, then report back to us the wisdom you can find there in the Word?
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RE: trying again - 6/26/2009 2:08:02 PM
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The apostles were lead to leave or go back to a certain place by the Holy Spirit.
The same applies to us if we leave a church, or go back to it. We should pray earnestly and listen carefully to what the Spirit says and where does He lead us.
It doesn't matter what the elders in that church think or how they view the situation of a returning person. What matters is what the Spirit tells us to do.
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RE: trying again - 6/26/2009 10:00:50 PM
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I am reading through Acts....it is taking much longer than an hour by the way, but then again I stop and ponder or nod off as I read before bed sometimes....Got caught by my son last night. He was so cute about it. Tapped me on the shoulder and said "You going to finish that?" LOL
Anyway, I made it to chapter 16 so far and most of the time the initial comings and goings were either via an Angle, Vision, both or just the Holy Spirit. However, some of it was their personal choice as they decided to make their way back to places where a new church had been planted so they could check up on them and see how they were doing. This was responsible and prudent and I dare say exactly what Jesus modeled while here on earth; so with in the will of God.
What I found interesting was John Mark and Timothy. Both were asked to join Paul and Barnabas as assistance based on their reputation and solid display of faith. John Mark deserted Paul and Barnabas and went to Jerusalem. It doesn't say why just that he did, but Jerusalem was not his home so there has to be more to this that isn't being said but I find it interesting that shortly after a wide spread disagreement arose about Gentiles following all the Jewish customs and laws and this didn't seem to take those in Jerusalem by surprise as if they were expecting it. (Makes one wonder if this was part of the reason for John Mark deserting Paul and Barnabas) Then once the matter was settled and everyone was on the same page Silas, and Judas (being gifted speakers) were sent with Barnabas and Paul to go calm things down in the areas they were preaching in. (As these two in particular were among the first to offer salvation to the Gentiles at God's command and it was the Gentiles that were upset. Paul seemed to have that effect on many people he encountered with his style of preaching.)
It is here that despite what was agreed upon Paul takes Silas and goes his way refusing to take John Mark, who was again asked to join the group, and Barnabas takes John Mark; I am assuming with Judas and they go their separate ways dividing up the stops to quickly put things to rest. It doesn't have anything to do with the whole thing that I am interested in but I did find it an interesting side note that upon meeting Timothy, who was part Jew and part Gentile, Paul still insisted he be circumcised even though not a day earlier the whole lot of them agreed it was not necessary. A bit of a rebel there or maybe it is his old self struggling with the new self. Ah anyway. Back to my point...both John Mark and Timothy were invited. It does not say that the Lord commanded them to go with or that the Lord commanded Paul and Barnabas to take these two on unlike the command for Paul to not discriminate against the Gentiles and subsequently baptize after the in filling of the Holy Spirit as this was pre-ordained by God to drive his point home to Paul who has a rather stubborn streak about him and would have to account for the whole thing back in Jeruselem when he got there.
So I can at this point safely say that while it is important to pray and maybe even fast when seeking God's will for our lives when it comes to changing Churches that has never been what I was seeking. I have known from the very beginning that I was not to change Churches and God still has not directed me to do so. My work at the Church I am at is not finished. The question has always been where do I fit in and why am I there. The area I was originally directed to serve in by the Holy Spirit (youth ministry) asked me to step down because of my grieving the loss of my husband. That time has now passed, but during that time things changed not only in that ministry but in the lives of my children and they have not invited me back as John Mark was invited back by Barnabas and seeing as my serving has no bearing on my children being there or not it makes me wonder why the delay. I have been asked to serve in a lesser role in another area and a door has been opened in a second area with opportunities that seem to be pushing me that direction but I feel uneasy stepping forward and saying yes whole heartedly as I have not been directed as I had in the past and it seems quite clear that if God wanted me there I would have heard from Him or someone would have tapped me on the shoulder because they would have heard from Him. It is not like I originally planted the ministery and so it is still my responsability to follow up as Paul and Barnabas did with the Churches they planted, so I feel I identify with John Mark more than any character in the book of Acts at the moment and feel even more adimently that if I go back it is at their invitation.
Then again maybe they are still waiting to see further signs of healing in me and/or my children I don't see necessary myself and I just need to rest in the Lord a while longer and wait on Him to make His will known to me as He will never give me more than I can handle. I just wish I didn't feel awkward or as if I was an unwelcomed guest when I do show up to test the waters from time to time as my kids are still involved and they do want me there. Perhaps I only feel awkward because I know if I did show up as often as my kids wanted me there I couldn't help but to minister to others while I am there. It would be like telling Paul he couldn't preach in a new town. He is still going to do it. The difference between me and Paul, and the reason I don't identify with him, is because I am not an ordained minister approved and appointed by the elders of the Church to work in that ministry. I am simply a person with a calling because of what I have learned over a lifetime and can share. My fear is that area may never reopen to me; as it has been said in the past that they would prefer me to minister to my generation because that is how their Church is set up. I know God can over rule this if it is His will, but they would have to hear from Him. I can tell you with the multitudes that attend my Church they are hardly praying and fasting about this specific person's ministry with all they have going on, so in my opinion God would really have to interven here or direct me in another area where I am ministering to my generation. As of right now I don't feel anointed to serve my generation and that bothers me. I feel anything I do would not bear as much good fruit as serving where I know I am called. It is like trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole. Seeing as the people in Leadership have the right to make such calls and God honors them just as he did Moses allowing divorce I must wait for something to change.
I think I will go back to reading and praying. Thank you for your direction and listening to me. 
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It should only take you an hour and a half to read through Acts -- why don't you do that, then report back to us the wisdom you can find there in the Word?
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RE: trying again - 6/26/2009 10:38:15 PM
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I don't know where I gave the impression I left my Church or was even thinking of leaving.
I have never left the Church.
Nor am I thinking of leaving the Church any time soon.
I was only asked to step down from ministry while greiving. I continued to attend the same Church the entier time I went through my grieving I just stoped ministering in the youth group.
The grieving is now past.
And I am still in the same Church as are my kids.
Nothing has changed on my end other than the grieving is over.
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The apostles were lead to leave or go back to a certain place by the Holy Spirit.
The same applies to us if we leave a church, or go back to it. We should pray earnestly and listen carefully to what the Spirit says and where does He lead us.
It doesn't matter what the elders in that church think or how they view the situation of a returning person. What matters is what the Spirit tells us to do.
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RE: trying again - 6/26/2009 11:39:19 PM
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Well, I am 'listening' and I'm so sorry for your loss. It hits me close to home because my husband is often unhealthy and sometimes I wonder if he's in the eary stages of something that might turn out to be debilitating or life-threatening.
I'm sure that you are seeing in Acts that those folks sure seem sure-and-in-touch with the Spirit in a way that is not so tangible in my life. I don't know if I'm missing something, if I'm blocking something, or if maybe He was just pursuing a more aggressive agenda in that era.
Sometimes I think it would be easier if He would just say to me, "Pick this ministry up. Put that one down. Go here. Speak to that person. Tell them this." I'm a little jealous -- but then I'm just fine doing without the flogging and fleeing for my life, so maybe there's some of the 'it comes with the territory' sort of balance that goes on.
With regard to your specific situation, having been asked to step down from youth ministry due to your grief situation, and now you are perceiving the leadership to be taking inordinately long to ask you back. You seem to be taking an awfully passive track. People grieve differently and for different lengths of time, and it seems natural to me that the 'first move' of restoring you to ministry would be for you to make it known that you are ready, capable and eager. But this does not seem to be your impulse -- you think an invitation would be more appropriate... and I wonder why.
(In wondering why, I do wonder if maybe you were hurt or experienced a sense of rejection, unwantedness, belittlement or subordination at the time you were asked to step down -- which would make you consider the 'ball' to have been stolen, rather than left 'in your court' as the saying goes.)
If this were not your long-time Church, but if it was a new place that you had been at for, say, a year, and you were hoping to become involved in a ministry you felt lead to, how would you proceed in that case?
However, you seem to have had some fairly clear Holy Spirit experiences in the past. Perhaps that is more what you are waiting for. I don't know why they would be absent now. Perhaps it is a part of the grief having changed your temperament and spiritual life, or perhaps the Spirit is trying to train you to respond to Him in different ways -- such as a trust-without-clarity response.
BUT -- no matter why this is, it is, and it should not stop you from serving and ministering according to the Spirit's Word to every Christian, according to the gifts and personality and preferences that are in you. Unless you are hearing a clear, "Do not." from Him, then the Word is clear -- just express your love and ministry to those who are near enough to recieve it, or choose a group that has good potential to recieve your ministry and make yourself available to them. There's no need for Him to pick your specifics for you each and every time, if you are submitted to Him and in His will at all times.
So, I'm saying I think you are incorrect in thinking you need an invitation or specific direction to become involved in a ministry that simply appeals to you and you seem to be effective at. You are definitely incorrect, saying, "it seems quite clear that if God wanted me there I would have heard from Him or someone would have tapped me on the shoulder because they would have heard from Him."
I'm thinking that the leaders, like you, are not getting the kind of clarity that the Apostles got. The Spirit is not telling them, "Susan's done her grieving this month, so stand up, pick up your phone, and invite her back into ministry." Rather you, who are full of that Spirit should be able to trust that the godly leanings within you have Him as a source.
(And where else could a ministry leaning come from? Do non Christians just suddenly sit up and say, "You know what? I think telling Bible stories to teens would be really fulfilling." It's clear that the Spirit placed that urge in you, because it has no other concievable source. If you can't help but do ministry -- why do you feel the need for a clearer call?)
It is awkward for a former leader to visit, but have no reference and role, especially if nobody knows where you are with your grief. That's a normal human thing. You should offer those around you some clarity, so they know where you stand.
However, the issue where your Church leadership, if it had it's way, would stifle your ministry and direct your gifts inappropreately, because of how they are 'set up' -- well that's a serious problem that warrents more discussion. Your leaders are not Moses, and God does not 'honour' them when they make mistakes, hurt people or cripple His Church. Yes, you should speak to them respectfully, but that does not mean that you can let them prevent you from obeying God. ("Who should we obey, God or men?") You are going to have to (very politely) buck their system or find another Church with a different system -- or you could deny your call and disobey your Lord. (That doesn't sound like a choice to me, but I thought I'd put all the options on the table.)
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RE: trying again - 6/27/2009 12:50:54 AM
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Well, I am 'listening' and I'm so sorry for your loss. It hits me close to home because my husband is often unhealthy and sometimes I wonder if he's in the eary stages of something that might turn out to be debilitating or life-threatening.quote:
Sorry to hear this; I will be praying for both of you.
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Sometimes I think it would be easier if He would just say to me, "Pick this ministry up. Put that one down. Go here. Speak to that person. Tell them this." I'm a little jealous -- but then I'm just fine doing without the flogging and fleeing for my life, so maybe quote:
there's some of the 'it comes with the territory' sort of balance that goes on.
Ya, IKWYM. Not always that clear, but when I heard him audibly tell me for a year every Saturday night to go I was Obediant. A previous time at a different Church I was tapped by one of the Ministers. It is so nice when things are clear cut, and you are right the bad comes with the good, but then again if you count it all joy because you wouldn't be pursecuted if you were not in the Will of God then it is an honor. It doesn't make it easy and you need a good support system, but God never gives us more than we can handle and will see us through.
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With regard to your specific situation, having been asked to step down from youth ministry due to your grief situation, and now you are perceiving the leadership to be taking inordinately long to ask you back. You seem to be taking an awfully passive track. People grieve differently and for different lengths of time, and it seems natural to me that the 'first move' of restoring you to ministry would be for you to make it known that you are ready, capable and eager. But this does not seem to be your impulse -- you think an invitation would be more appropriate... and I wonder why.
(In wondering why, I do wonder if maybe you were hurt or experienced a sense of rejection, unwantedness, belittlement or subordination at the time you were asked to step down -- which would make you consider the 'ball' to have been stolen, rather than left 'in your court' as the saying goes.)quote:
Yes, I was hurt. I felt as if I could not trusted to make that decision for myself or be given the opportunity to prove I could rise above and still perform adiquetly. At the time I felt like that was the straw that broke the camels back and like I was loosing everything. Actually serving God was helping me keep it all together and was a source of great joy. Having it taken from me plunged me into a deep depression that took months to snap out of and was the worst thing that could be done to my children, but they were of the opinion that I could grieve properly now or it could come back to bite me later when it was really inconvienent and might be 10 times worse. Maybe that was their experience in the past with others and this being my first time around with this I just have to say okay you have my best interest a heart but it still hurt.
But as always God uses things for our good and His Glory. I did a lot of spiritual house cleaning and forgiving and letting go and blessing and praising and singing and praying in tongues not to mention a plethera of reading and digging into His word. I definately am a stronger person. I definately can lead someone through hard times now with confidence and assurance and hope. As for the whole grieving thing well I am past it but what they don't seem to get on a personal level because none of them have experienced it is that there will be things that will trigger an old memory of my late husband at the most in opportune times even if I were to remarry and I will have no control over it and it is quite possible I can keep it together until clear of the situation but then I will breakdown and cry and it is not a sign of mental instability or weekness it is simply a sign that I loved someone so deeply he is not forgotten even though he is gone. To think grieving hard would eliminate this is erroneous and nieve.
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BUT -- no matter why this is, it is, and it should not stop you from serving and ministering according to the Spirit's Word to every Christian, according to the gifts and personality and preferences that are in you. Unless you are hearing a clear, "Do not." from Him, then the Word is clear -- just express your love and ministry to those who are near enough to recieve it, or choose a group that has good potential to recieve your ministry and make yourself available to them. There's no need for Him to pick your specifics for you each and every time, if you are submitted to Him and in His will at all times.
So, I'm saying I think you are incorrect in thinking you need an invitation or specific direction to become involved in a ministry that simply appeals to you and you seem to be effective at. You are definitely incorrect, saying, "it seems quite clear that if God wanted me there I would have heard from Him or someone would have tapped me on the shoulder because they would have heard from Him."
I'm thinking that the leaders, like you, are not getting the kind of clarity that the Apostles got. The Spirit is not telling them, "Susan's done her grieving this month, so stand up, pick up your phone, and invite her back into ministry." Rather you, who are full of that Spirit should be able to trust that the godly leanings within you have Him as a source.
(And where else could a ministry leaning come from? Do non Christians just suddenly sit up and say, "You know what? I think telling Bible stories to teens would be really fulfilling." It's clear that the Spirit placed that urge in you, because it has no other concievable source. If you can't help but do ministry -- why do you feel the need for a clearer call?)
It is awkward for a former leader to visit, but have no reference and role, especially if nobody knows where you are with your grief. That's a normal human thing. You should offer those around you some clarity, so they know where you stand.quote:
You have a good point here. Perhaps I need to be more obviose for lack of better terminology with letting them know I am done grieving.
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However, the issue where your Church leadership, if it had it's way, would stifle your ministry and direct your gifts inappropreately, because of how they are 'set up' -- well that's a serious problem that warrents more discussion. Your leaders are not Moses, and God does not 'honour' them when they make mistakes, hurt people or cripple His Church. Yes, you should speak to them respectfully, but that does not mean that you can let them prevent you from obeying God. ("Who should we obey, God or men?") You are going to have to (very politely) buck their system or find another Church with a different system -- or you could deny your call and disobey your Lord. (That doesn't sound like a choice to me, but I thought I'd put all the options on the table.)quote:
No, I am not trying to disobey the Lord. And while it is still unclear as to weather they were right or wrong in how they handled it with me, as no two people are the same and what is not right for me may be right for the next person or the person previous to me. God did place them in a position of power and authority over his flock to protect and serve and I believe directed them in how their Church was to be structured and they take that very seriously, and I believe in my heart of hearts that they never intended to hurt me and have forgiven them for it. I also believe that they did not make the decision lightly. They say they prayed about it before talking to me and I have to take them at their word on this. I also believe like Job that God allows certain things to happen in our lives to stretch and grow us ...for everything there is a season....and at other times he protects us from bad things. Another example of this is when the disciples were in the boat with Jesus sleeping and a storm arose up. Jesus knew they would not sink and that they would indeed make it to the other side and chided the men for not having faith. It was a done deal and Jesus was going to see them through the storm, but he had mercy on them and rescude them by calming the sea that time. God may not have rescuded me from the storm but he did see me through. Much good has come from this and perhaps this was just a tool to stretch and grow and strengthen me for what is to come as well as to test me. Perhaps I am still being tested to see if I will continue to be obediant and serve were I was called until told otherwise and mustering up the courage to talk to the people who asked me to step down is just a part of that. Your right I need to let them know I am ready to return.
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RE: trying again - 6/27/2009 1:02:51 AM
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Sorry, don't quite have the nack of this whole quote thing down yet.
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RE: trying again - 6/27/2009 9:14:08 AM
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You'll get the hang of it.
I think I may have gone too far, in the idea of 'bucking the system' -- what I meant is that you start now by telling them you are ready, and that you are convinced of your call to youth ministry. If there is a discussion, you stick to your story and make it very clear that you know where you belong, and that you are concerned to hear them trying to guide you away from the path God has shown you. This should turn out for the best.
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If they were to show themselves obstinate about sticking to their system, and actively forbid or prevent you from ministering within your calling -- That's not godly, and no leader in any place in the Bible was ever granted such authority, to set themself up over and above the Spirit who is their Lord.
(I question whether your ideas of 'power and authority' are Biblical. In the Bible I see a picture that involves more of a shepherd-servant-visionary leader that is able (in the Spirit) to co-ordinate, shepherd and build up a flock. There is some respect involved, but you are saying things that take respect to a place I'm not comfortable with -- as far as how it lines up with Scripture.)
Meaning: Sometimes they make good calls. Sometimes they make the best calls they can, and God makes the best out of them. Sometimes they make mistakes, but God is still working and bringing out good. But sometimes they make calls that can not be tolerated -- and they need to be talked out of it with wisdom and persistence, or else simply left alone in their error.
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RE: trying again - 7/1/2009 4:22:00 PM
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I have heard that the apostles were kicked out of many places and they did not let this discourage them from going back in, or perhaps they left for a while and then went back in.
Greetings in Jesus Name!
tz3 you are asking a question based on hearsay ... can any of those you heard from state where in Scripture this was suppose to have occurred?
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RE: trying again - 7/1/2009 6:49:31 PM
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Not quite sure where your coming from would you PM me on this. I have been very busy and the last poster said some things I have to rebuttle with actual scripture quotes and just have not had the time as I am finishing up a college class right now. I should be able to get back to this by next Friday.
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I have heard that the apostles were kicked out of many places and they did not let this discourage them from going back in, or perhaps they left for a while and then went back in.
Greetings in Jesus Name!
tz3 you are asking a question based on hearsay ... can any of those you heard from state where in Scripture this was suppose to have occurred?
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RE: trying again - 7/5/2009 10:07:12 PM
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Not quite sure where your coming from would you PM me on this. I have been very busy and the last poster said some things I have to rebuttle with actual scripture quotes and just have not had the time as I am finishing up a college class right now. I should be able to get back to this by next Friday.
Thanks, tz3
When you are ready to resume the thread, please let me know by PM. There are really three issues that I THINK I see here... your loss, your children and your ministry.
Trusting that all will go well with your classwork! :)
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RE: trying again - 7/8/2009 5:20:57 PM
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It is my conviction that we often make into events those things that should be simple, quiet obedience. What does it look like when you "minister"? Does it require a title or charter? Usually it does not. Start with the things you know you are to be doing and do them. God has already called you to love the body, pray for the body, make disciples, walk in obedience etc.. Just do those things. God will put you into places and forums and connect you with people as He sees fit.
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RE: trying again - 7/10/2009 12:31:48 AM
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-- are Biblical. In the Bible I see a picture that involves more of a shepherd-servant-visionary leader that is able (in the Spirit) to co-ordinate, shepherd and build u
Meaning: Sometimes they make good calls. Sometimes they make the best calls they can, and God makes the best out of them. Sometimes they make mistakes, but God is still working and bringing out good. But sometimes they make calls that can not be tolerated -- and they need to be talked out of it with wisdom and persistence, or else simply left alone in their error.
1) God can and does take our messes and can turn them around for our good and his glory. There is a scripture for this and if I can find it tomorrow I will and post it for you.
2) Men and Women make mistakes all the time and just because they are a minister, pastor or preacher or priest doesn't mean they stop making mistakes the moment they get ordained. The Bible has a lot to say and then there are gray areas where we try to do our best for what is best for others and we are not all cookie cutters and what is best for one person and one situation may not be best for the next person or situation. We as congregants must extend grace, mercy and forgiveness to our leaders as well.
3) I think I gave you the impression that I never said anything to them ever on the subject. The fact of the matter is that much has been said. I am just not privy to their decisions on how they will handle future issues with others. I just haven't said anything to them recently about being past my grieving and wishing to get back to ministering in that area which was a good suggestion.
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RE: trying again - 7/10/2009 1:24:10 AM
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You haven't PM'd me so the only thing I know to say is that if you read through the book of Acts you will find that a town got angry at them and they left, threatened their lives and they left but sometimes they only left temperarily and went back. I will read it again to see if I can lock down an example for you, but you can be reading as well.
I only want to make a distinction here that may seperate this example from my and that is this; I am not an ordained minister that has been assigned anywhere. I am but a commoner who heard God telling her to go and I responded. Once there God brought this one or that one to me for me to minister to and I knew exactly why God sent each and everyone of them. The fact that I began to grieve heavily was out of my control and if I had not been told to step down I would have volunterily stepped down for a period of time. There is a big difference between volunterily stepping down and being told to step down. (step down as in stop ministering not step down as in a demotion. They didn't promote me they only approved of me by giving me a title of leader but that is only circumstantial because it doesn't matter where I go I am a leader by nature. So they can ask me to stop ministering that doesn't prevent me from being the leader that I am no matter where I go and really that hasn't stopped me from ministering to adults wherever I am? But what it has done is prevented me from serving the Lord where He told me to go in the first place. Does this make sense? I didn't stop being obediant. I liken it to the apostles being thrown in jail or going to a new town. Even though plans changed they didn't stop ministering and leading as well. In fact they even changed to include Gentiles when originally the message was for Jews. So now that I come to think of it I have kind of done the same thing. I sing in the choir and I have been asked to be a greeter in my woman's Bible study I attend which is a leadership position. Only thing is these are for adults not youth. The fact that I still feel a pull toward youth means that passion is still there. Just like some apostles were great preachers and others were more persuasive and yet others were mainly for the Gentiles we all have our nitch. That nitch can change at God's direction and disgression and he will equip those he calls.
I have given this some thought over this past week or so while I have been thinking about everyone's questions and just how to answer them. It made me get quiet and really pray in earnest and seek God's will in this matter one more time as now my personal emotions are out of the way on the matter, and He made it plain to me that at some point in time I will be restored to youth ministry but not now. For now he is keeping me in Praise and Worship and that will be my more consistant assignment and He has already begun equiping me for this assignment as I have just finished my final exam for Music Fundimentals and Sunday I audition for Front Line. I don't understand where this is leading me and I never thought of myself as a singer or as a person ministering with my voice and in fact I have not had the courage to have so many people focused on me and depending on me to sing all the right notes and right words and communicate through voice and word emotion and depth of mean of the words being sung, but God is giving me that courage and has educated me on how important praise and worship is to the dynamics of the body of Christ being drawn into His presence and prepared to hear His word and that it is indeed ministering and it is an awesom and humbling honor to serve in such a capacity. I have done this for years either from my seat or from the anonymity of the choir, but to be nugged out of my comfort zone to serve in such a capaity is well stunning me. I have a new appreciation and respect for what I will soon be doing and that should make me more nervous and shy away like it has in the past but it is different this time and I just can't explain it other than it is a God thing as He has confirmed this by giving me scripture. I am in awe and very humbled because there are many people in my Church that are more talented then me.
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I have heard that the apostles were kicked out of many places and they did not let this discourage them from going back in, or perhaps they left for a while and then went back in.
Greetings in Jesus Name!
tz3 you are asking a question based on hearsay ... can any of those you heard from state where in Scripture this was suppose to have occurred?
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RE: trying again - 7/10/2009 1:39:16 AM
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tz3
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I want to thank everyone for your questions, guidance and words of wisdom and no doubt prayers. Praise the Lord this is settled and I have peace.
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RE: trying again - 7/12/2009 6:21:34 PM
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Chrio
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Praise The Lord!! Peace is what He intends for us no matter what we are going through!! I'm so glad to hear peace is yours in this!!
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