This is theological salad.
Just a bunch of things tossed in together, which is fine I guess— for salad.
As far as theology goes, it’s almost incomprehensible…
Can you make any of that make sense?
Hi,
No MeE.
You did, however, make me read my post again thinking I wrote something horribly wrong.
I was/am trying to show a progression of when Jesus had the sin placed on Him.
I find it interesting and hope others do as well.
Jesus was without sin when they nailed Him to the cross.
He was without sin when H spoke to the two thieves
On the ninth hour we read Jesus cried out to the Father.
But no response.
Jesus is separated from the Father for the first time ever.
By the twelfth hour the price had been paid.
Jesus appears to be once again in communication with the Father as He commends His spirit.
Then He dies.
I am satisfied that I showed the verses,and the order of progression through them, necessary to understand how I arrived at my conclusion.
Did anybody else have a problem understanding what I wrote, and my reasoning for it.
I wrote it to get more of the Word into the conversation.
You don’t have to agree with me MrE.
I’m OK if you do or don’t.
What really concerns me is that you would slur my contribution.
Yet you have left no criticism other than calling it “theological salad.”
Please show me the error of my ways
I have read some of your posts.
You like to aggressively disagree with people, don’t you.
I am not going to respond to you in kind.
I love you in the Lord and will not come back at you in personal way.
Blessings
@Joe-- I was referencing what you wrote and there was no slur included. Rather than defending what you wrote, and explaining what you meant, you instead decided to make it personal. It wasn’t.
I am glad however that you recognize that people don’t have to agree with you at all times-- I don’t. And on this particular timeline of ‘when Jesus became sin’ --I really don’t.
As with my comment to @Farid -who suggests that God needed to offer Jesus as a sacrifice I find the idea repulsive, that God would kill His innocent son, as on the cross. Do you know who killed Jesus? We did. People did.
Don’t blame God for things people do.
“No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
Jesus
John 10:18
Jesus didn’t commit suicide either @Fritzpw_Admin
I’m not saying he did, but he was willing to die on the cross for us, and he submitted to the Father’s will to that end.
Of course. What you didn’t say, you perhaps implied.
Are you at all unclear on how Jesus died and why? Don’t think it good. Had turned what was wholly evil into something holy hood, for His own purposes.
Some words that I first pondered a few years and that have continued to be deeply affecting to me are found in Matthew 27:50: “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.” The amazing thing about these words is that they show us that Jesus was in control of the timing of His death. Though the nails had pierced His hands and feet, and though He had been beaten to be point of being almost unrecognizable, He died only when He decided to yield up His spirit. In his account of the crucifixion, John says Jesus “gave up His spirit.” This was an active, not a passive act. The significance of this wording is that it shows that Jesus was in control of the timing of His death. He did not die because His body could take no more punishment or because of blood loss. He died because He decided it was time to die. His work was accomplished and there was no reason for Him to linger. And so he gave up His spirit and returned to His Father.
Maybe-- that’s a theory some hold to. It could mean simply that he took his last breath, or that he gave up his will to live. As a firefighter and at the deathbed of my own mom-- I’ve seen both. Accident victims and those dying from natural causes can both ‘give up their spirit’ and give up on life, take their last breath and die. That’s all that verse 50 says-- to make it say more is to put your own theological twist upon the text. Don’t feel bad. Everyone does it.
Hi,
“I recently heard a Pastor speak as though Jesus actually became ‘sin’, not just bore the penalty for our sin. (as if that wasn’t enough)
Personally I don’t see that Jesus had to become sin, but what say you?” Quote from studyfun
Well, what did Jesus say about this?
John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. KJV
So that’s fairly definitive.
Jesus did not commit suicide.
Only Jesus was in control of His life.
We also know that Jesus could have stopped His crucifix at any time.
Matthew 26:52-54 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be? KJV
Imagine knowing you could stop all the whipping, the placing of the crown of thorns, the beating He took at the hands of His captors, any time He chose.
Jesus chose to let the violence against Him continue.
So I believe it is fair to say that esus gave His life…
But it was not by suicide.
Blessings