As everyone knows, we can only do that which is instructed to us by scripture. I am appalled by what I see in so called Christian “churches.” I have not found one bit of instruction in all of scripture on how and when to “use the restroom” as the world calls it. No where did Jesus give us instruction on this practice and no where does scripture mention taking the time to deliberately relieve himself. Pagans had “bathrooms” with their indoor pluming. Why is it commonly called a “bathroom.” What is used? A THRONE. Churches encourage this practice!! “Restroom” the Sabbath is for resting, this is a mockery to equate the Sabbath with this filthy behavior.
Without clear instruction, I believe it is sinful and even satanic to engage in these practices. Pagan had places to do this and even talked with others. I can only conclude that these things are to work themselves out naturally. Children often pee in their bed until they receive satanic instruction against the natural order from their so-called Christian parents.
“The reason Christians were persecuted throughout the pagan world was not because they refused to worship the gods of the pagans, but because they refused to gather in the practice of using communal toilets and deliberately relieving themselves in this pagan ritual.” John Hammer, Christian Review Journal of Palestine May, 1855.
I included a legit looking source that cannot be looked up on the internet and speaks with all the authority of true Christiandom.
No, this is not correct, and the quotation itself is not authentic. Your claim collapses the moment you place it beside real historical evidence from the first three centuries, and the so called “Christian Review Journal of Palestine May 1855” does not exist in any catalog, archive, or nineteenth century periodical index.
So your citation was crafted to appear credible, yet it has no historical footprint, no editor, no printing record, and no connection to any real scholarship. In other words, it is fabricated.
There are so many new arrivals on the forum lately that it feels as if the floodgates swung open and the flow simply has not slowed, and that is just my own observation.
I am not sure how any of that relates to the pagan practices that go on in Christian churches, schools, and homes. That type of post can be referred to as a Red Herring, intended to drag a discussion into something else entirely to avoid facing the facts. Eventually, moderators need to close the topic as it has become derailed. Please stay on topic as Satanism and the mixing of Christianity with Paganism is something taken very seriously here.
This would have been a perfectly fine observation of yours to make in your own topic to discuss that very unrelated issue. If you wish to continue that thought, please make your own topic. Leave this topic for those wishing to discuss said topic written as the subject line.
4 The early church in the Roman Empire met in homes
July 27, 2020 by Nick Lowe
The concept of house churches began at the beginning of the early church in Jerusalem:
They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favour of all the people (Acts 2:46-47).
House churches continued and developed as the church grew and spread out across the Roman world. However, church buildings didn’t appear until the third century AD. It is not impossible that some of the early congregations used community halls where it was safe to do so. For example, Paul used the lecture hall of Tyrannus daily for two years to teach God’s word (Acts 19:9-10) – although this wasn’t really a church. But it is clear from the New Testament that the church used homes. Individuals opened their homes to host local congregations so they could meet together.
Offering a house for church meetings was an important ministry in the early church. The expression, “the church that meets at your/their/his/her house”, is found four times in the New Testament
Let’s look at these.
The church that met in the home of Pricilla and Aquila:
Like Paul, Pricilla and Aquila were tent-makers. But they were also fully committed to the Lord’s work in planting and establishing churches across the Roman world. Paul called them, “fellow-workers in Christ Jesus” (Romans 16:3). They were teachers, with Pricilla seemingly more the leader of the two. They hosted churches in their home in Ephesus (1Corinthains 16:19) and later also in Rome (Romans 16:5).
The church that met at the home of Philemon:
Philemon was an active member of the church in Colossae, and apparently the local church met in his home. Paul wrote,
To Philemon our dear friend and fellow worker, also to Apphia our sister and Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the church that meets in your home
(Philemon 1:1-2).
It has been suggested that Apphia was the wife of Philemon, and Archippus was the pastor of the church, though we cannot be certain.
The church that met at the home of Nympha:
Paul wrote,
Give my greeting to the brothers at Laodicea and to Nympha and the church at her house
(Colossians 4:15).
This wealthy lady called Nympha was most likely from Laodicea, and hosted one of the church congregations there and quite possibly led it as well. From the very beginning, wealthy women were attracted to Christianity and they were among the church’s first patrons and protectors (e.g. Acts 12:12).
The early church met in homes for several reasons. First, they didn’t have the financial resources to build. Instead they depended on the generosity of patrons who could offer their homes and give support to the ministry in other ways. But secondly, it wasn’t long before Christianity became an illegal religion in the Roman Empire. There was a need for secrecy and open worship wasn’t possible. Third, using homes allowed for the rapid growth of Christianity.
What exactly did the leaders of these house churches do? Probably they did much the same as teachers, pastors and evangelists do today, except there wasn’t the same organisational structure as in our denominations.
Colossians 3:16 gives us a feel of these meetings, where gifted and capable people would contribute,
… as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns and spiritual songs, singing with gratitude in your hearts.
It would help if you supplied links to places you have researched.
The bible gives very clear instructions about hygiene and the Jews who followed these instructions had a far lower rate of infections, illnesses etc during the medieval ages than their neighbours.
Here is a link to the history of toilets:-
Do read it there is no known reference to paganism calling a toilet a throne.
But there is clear biblical and scientific evidence that modern toilet practises are beneficial.
The only explicit Old Testament instruction about human waste is found in ~Deuteronomy 23. It is not modern plumbing and it is not a built structure inside the camp. Moses gives Israel a purity command that functions both as hygiene and as covenant holiness, and it shows precisely how ancient Hebrews handled the matter.
Israel was a mobile covenant community in the wilderness, so the Lord commands them to establish a place outside the camp for relieving themselves, and He commands them to keep a small digging tool so they could cover the waste afterward. The verbs are literal and action based, and they reveal the expected practice.
~Deuteronomy 23.12 says you must have a place outside the camp. The Hebrew verb yatsaʾ (to go out) makes it an ongoing durative action, meaning Israelites regularly left the camp perimeter rather than relieving themselves inside the community.
~Deuteronomy 23.13 says you shall have a peg and you shall turn and you shall dig and you shall cover. The Hebrew verbs here, shuv (turn), chafar (dig), and kasah (cover), are simple qal forms that carry a direct, physical sense. This means a person would literally step away from the tents, dig a small hole, relieve themselves, then cover the waste immediately. Nothing ceremonial or symbolic is implied. This is hygiene and holiness.
~Deuteronomy 23.14 grounds the command in God’s presence. The Lord your God walks in the midst of your camp. The Hebrew halak (walks) is a durative participle showing continual divine presence. Because God was in their midst, impurity inside the camp was forbidden. To leave the camp for waste disposal was an act of reverence as well as sanitation.
Archaeology of Iron Age Israel shows no indoor latrines for ordinary households. Houses in places like Tel Beersheba and Tel Arad show courtyards or external refuse areas. Waste was disposed outside living structures, often in designated pits. Later in the monarchy period we do find stone latrine seats associated with royal buildings, but these are centuries after Moses and not part of ordinary Hebrew practice in the wilderness or early settlement period.
So the answer is simple and scriptural. Ancient Hebrews relieved themselves outside the camp, dug a small pit with a personal tool, used it, then covered it immediately. This was practical sanitation and covenant holiness, tied directly to the truth that God walked among His people.
None of what you wrote has any connection to Scripture. The Bible never teaches that basic bodily functions are sinful, satanic, or pagan. God created the human body and everything it does by design is part of His creation. “God saw all that He had made, and it was very good” ~Genesis 1:31. Sin is a matter of the heart and the will, not the digestive system.
You said we can only do what Scripture instructs. Scripture never commands people how to breathe, how to blink, or how to sleep, yet those are normal parts of human life. The same is true for using the restroom. The absence of instruction does not make something sinful. Sin is defined by God’s commands, not by human imagination ~1 John 3:4.
Jesus Himself spoke of things “that go into the stomach and are expelled” ~Mark 7:19. He was not condemning the process. He was teaching that sin comes from the heart, not from the body. The Bible consistently rejects the idea that normal bodily functions are sinful. Paul said, “Nothing is unclean in itself” ~Romans 14:14. The problem is never the body God made. The problem is the heart that rebels against Him.
Calling restrooms satanic, calling parents evil for teaching their children basic hygiene, or calling churches pagan for having bathrooms is not supported anywhere in Scripture. That is adding to God’s Word, which He forbids ~Deuteronomy 4:2.
If you want to deal with real sin in the world, Scripture gives more than enough clarity. But turning normal, God-designed bodily functions into spiritual corruption is not the truth. It is confusion. And God is not the author of confusion ~1 Corinthians 14:33.
Generally I feel like we should use the descriptions people prefer for themselves. If an atheist/agnostic person doesn’t identify as pagan, then no one should force that label onto them. If someone who doesn’t believe in literal god(s) does choose to identify as pagan, then it’s not our place to contradict them.
Where did Christ instruct you to use a toilet? Those were pagan inventions. I have not read of Christ allowing people to deliberately relieve themselves.
I did not add to God’s Word. I am showing the absolute absence of permission to engage in these pagan practices. I guess some like to ask for forgiveness than to seek permission.
The burden of proof is not on me. It is on you. You made a claim Scripture does not make. You condemned something Scripture does not condemn. That is the definition of adding to God’s Word, and God directly forbids it ~Deuteronomy 4:2.
You said you’re “showing the absolute absence of permission.” That is not how biblical authority works. God does not require permission for everything that is not sinful. If Scripture only allowed what was explicitly “permitted,” you wouldn’t be allowed to wear shoes, drink water from a cup, sit in a chair, use electricity, or type on this forum. None of those things have a verse giving “permission.”
What God actually forbids is very clear. What God commands is very clear. But you do not get to invent new sins by appealing to silence. Silence is not authority. Silence is silence.
The Bible calls it evil when someone binds where God has not bound:
“Why do you… bind heavy burdens… teaching as doctrines the commandments of men?” ~Matthew 15:9
Calling restrooms pagan, calling parents evil for teaching hygiene, or calling churches sinful for having bathrooms is not holiness. It is man-made religion. That is exactly what Jesus condemned.
If something is sin, show the verse.
If you cannot show the verse, stop calling it sin.
Your claim is not from Scripture. It is from you. And the moment a person replaces God’s Word with their ideas, the Bible says they are the one who is in error ~Proverbs 30:5–6.
So let’s keep it simple: God never called a restroom pagan. You did.
