How Long Can You Go Without Sinning?

Correct me if I’m wrong here, but aren’t we also being trained in the same things? With the same truths? But of course we are. Not all of us receive the same gifts, but we have the same truths. And the keyword we can away from that is obedience. He always provides a way out if we look for it.

One time I knew a professed Sister in Christ and she has trouble with same sex attraction. Ok, we all have our personal struggles, but this girl identified with same sex attraction (SSA?) and when I asked her why she identifies SSA instead of child of God, she got mad at me. I referred her to Romans 6:4 and reminded her that, the old man is dead and we are to live in the newness of Christ and Be Obedient!

I have noticed that many saved Brothers & Sisters in Christ do not obey as they should. They speak of the Lord’s forgiveness and love and seem to be using it as a justification to continue in sin. (It doesn’t work that way). We have to obey to express the truth of our love for our Lord, Jesus. You can’t coast in Christianity, no one can. That would be mocking God, would it not? That never ends well.

No one has questioned your personal walk with Christ. ?? Let’s not get confused here ok? Your Salvation, my Salvation, everyone’s Salvation…does not depend on your efforts or lack or abundance of your efforts. No one is saying that, salvation is a free gift.

Stay with me…We know that our efforts are either comprised of good deeds or evil deeds. We should be striving to do all good deeds and zero evil deeds. The reason our efforts and deeds are important for us is not about Salvation, getting to ‘go to Heaven to be with the Lord’, we’ll be there if we have salvation at all. No effort involved.

But our good deeds (Bema Seat) will be examined as well as our obedience because they will be used to determine our station in Heaven Life. Will we be assigned to be a Field Worker? An Executive position? A Plumber? A Mayor over 10 cities? Our “efforts” (code talk for Obedience) and the amount of them will determine our place in heaven.

I’ve been a Plumber, Heat Tech, A/C Tech, Gas Lines, Electrical, and eventually a Contractor for all of them. Plumbing pays a lot but let’s face it, I don’t want to have the Plumber position again, lol. I like fixing things and helping people. But the work is hard and nasty at times. There’s got to be better jobs, better locations to live.

Our efforts (Obedience) will determine our reward. (After Salvation, we’re there!) We will all have jobs. There is enough people to have either many cities or one giant city (New Jerusalem). and how close to Jesus’s room will ours be? Some will be called the least in heaven is what scripture says. Whoa. I don’t want to be the least in heaven! I may not be closer to the Lord’s room than Moses or Paul, and that’s ok. I don’t have to be exalted, just to be there. Scripture speaks of many Mansions in heaven. Some mansions are bigger than others. Revelation speaks a little about it. Some get to dwell inside the walls of New Jerusalem. Some dwell outside the walls. And the river of life flows out to them, but they don’t have as many privileges as others. We already know there is Rank in heaven. Some are Angels. Some are arch Angels (higher rank, more power more of everything) And myriad different kinds in between those. All saved believers will be woven into that system of living in heaven.

Build up your treasures in Heaven…Ever heard that? Scripture. What’s it mean? Scripture says all through it that Obedience (our Efforts) will be rewarded. This is what it talking about, our station in heaven. If giving a thirsty man a drink is like I gave to Jesus Him Self if He was thirsty, then I will obey and get Him a drink and not expect anything in return. I just want to obey. I would rather not that my Mansion or house (!) is not on the outskirts of town but I surely do not want to have it outside the walls of New Jerusalem. I should have made more effort, right?

Bless you Brother.

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I’ll second that. He taught me something today, lol! God Bless him.

I still don’t have another refrigerator, but it will come. I’m not worried. I prayed about it and I think it’s in the works and in my price range, so Praise the Lord.

Yes, right you are. No correction necessisary as I see it. Great reminders.

KP

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You are right to ask this question if overcoming sin was a human effort. It is God who gives us the grace to overcome, but we must be willing. How do we receive this grace? Jam. 4:6 says that God gives grace to the humble. So, our job is to be humble. How do we become humble? Mat. 16:24 says that we must deny ourself, take up our cross, and follow Jesus.

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Context, context and context. Romans 14:23 is about eating meat sacrificed to idols.

We are commanded to work to support our families and to have the means to help those in need. Doing this is not sinful.

Enjoying time with family and friends is not sinful.

What is vital is our attitrude.

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To deny oneself means to afflict your soul unto the Lord. In common English, it is also called fasting. We see this being done from way back.

Leviticus 16:29-31

**29 **And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:

**30 **For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord.

**31 **It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever…/KJV

Now taking sabbath off and not working isn’t really afflicting my soul in my mind, who don’t like a day off?! So it’s less about doing no work and more about affliction our souls (Fasting). They were talking about the day of Atonement here, but it does say it shall be done by a statute for ever. When we pair it with taking up our cross daily it begins to make sense the spiritual principle involved here. There’s a lot more Sabbaths than just the one day of atonement in the year!

Why should we fast? Because when we fast, it is denying our Soul food, or the good food. This humbles our soul every time and helps us to remain humble. I was fasting one time and I began to feel a few hunger pains. So I spoke to my soul and said boy if you keep bothering me with hunger pains, I will add a day to the fast, so be quiet! And I kid you not, I was not hungry anymore. He was humbled. I was humbled.

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Are you positive that the spiritual principle present in this passage would not also apply to our topic? That’s how I took it.

Nope, that’s not sinful. But it is being done in faith. How is doing that not in faith? To the Wife, Family? To help someone? That’s not done from a cold dark heart.

No but the foundation of bring with family is Love. How is Love not done in faith? I used to be in business as a mechanical contractor (Furnaces & A/C) and on major holidays I charged Double Time so I could stay home with the family!I worked every single Holiday and didn’t get even one off. They wouldn’t let me stay home all day, lol. After 10 years or so, I was fed up with working holidays, so I went to Triple Time on major Holidays, and (mostly) success! Don’t get me wrong, I like helping people and working Major holidays had it’s benefits. Everyone is in a good mood and all sorts of home baked goodies set before me and most the time I think they had company so were perhaps showing off by paying high rates and tipping the guy and feeding him! That don’t really matter but it was nice. But after I went to Triple Time, it did let me stay home at least some on holidays so it worked out. Being able to help people when it’s cold is good, but a guy’s gotta have some holidays off!

So true but part of my working holidays problem had a female voice (Lol) and she didn’t like me working every holiday either. I discovered that being humble isn’t hard. Nowadays it’s just being the guy who wont start a brawl over an insult and also willing to help people. We definitely can be humble on this earth.

According to the article on Wikipedia:

The Planck time is the length of time at which no smaller meaningful length can be validly measured due to the indeterminacy expressed in Werner Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle. Theoretically, this is the shortest time measurement that is possible.[1] Planck time is roughly 10−43 seconds. However, to date, the smallest time interval that has been measured is 10−21 seconds, a “zeptosecond”.[2][3][4] One Planck time is the time it would take a photon travelling at the speed of light to cross a distance equal to one Planck length. ( Planck time - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

a Planck length is

about 10−20 times the size of a proton ( Planck length - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

Time becomes immeasurable beyond this, thus Planck time is more-or-less a hard physical constraint on time measurement in the physical universe.

So the question posed was how long can someone go without sinning. I would argue that a single unit of Plank time is still an unreachable state of impeccability which no human being has ever attained.

It is, of course, possible to not do specific sins. There are a good many specific sins which I have never committed. And, thus, it is also reasonable to assert that a person can go a good amount of time between specific sins as well.

But the problem is that sinning isn’t just the act of committing very specific sinful actions. Sinning happens “behind the scenes” as it were–it happens in the subconscious as much as in the conscious–it’s not merely our deliberate thoughts, but even our implicit thoughts. It’s found not only in our explicit acts, but in our implicit ones. It occurs not only in actions, but also inactions. It is in our attitudes, our feelings, our thoughts, our way of doing things. It runs top to bottom and bottom to top, it is found in the deepest core of myself.

The answer, then, if I am to be honest before the Law, is that there isn’t a single moment of my mortal existence that goes without sin. For I am, in Adam, altogether dead and at enmity toward God.

The Apostle St. Paul declares, with full honesty about his own sinful condition:
“What a wretched man am I! Who can save me from this body of death?!”

The point here isn’t, of course, to be a pessimist or a cynic about being human. As though the goal is to view oneself with such low self esteem as to be given over to endless and incurable despair. And, more importantly, it is not to look at your fellow man and deny the intrinsic goodness of the Image of God in which all human beings were created, as though I can look at my neighbor with scorn, like the Pharisee who beheld the Publican with contempt. Rather the point is to bear sincere realism about the human condition apart from Divine Grace. Apart from Christ.

That in my flesh, the old Man in me, is a sinner. Every moment of every day, waking or sleeping.

Therefore we can confess, as in this Penitential Prayer:

Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved You with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry and we humbly repent. For the sake of Your Son Jesus Christ, have mercy on us and forgive us; that we may delight in Your will, and walk in Your ways, to the glory of Your Name. Amen.

As Dr. Luther wrote in his letter to Philip Melancthon,

“If you preach grace, then preach real grace not pretend grace; if grace is real then you bear real sin, not pretend sin.”

“Sin boldly” is not a call to sin. But a reminder that you, me, all of us, are actually quite sinful. We have real sin, and we can’t pretend otherwise. Because to pretend otherwise is to deny real grace. Because God has real grace for real sinners. Thus be fully honest with yourself: You are a sinner; and here now trust in Christ who has conquered sin, death, and the world.

God doesn’t want fake saints.

He saves real sinners. For

Christ came to save sinners, and I am the chief of sinners.

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Shooting straight from the shoulder, @TheologyNerd, and your message is well received, brother. “Faithful are the wounds of a friend” (Proverbs 27:6), and “let the righteous strike me—it is a kindness” (Psalm 141:5). Iron sharpens iron (Proverbs 27:17), and I appreciate your willingness to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15).

…I don’t need a dictionary to understand your plain and simple message of God’s grace. At the same time, it is a timely reminder to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure” (Philippians 2:12–13). It also brings to mind our Lord’s parable of the four soils (Matthew 13:3–23), reminding us to examine the condition of our own hearts, and His solemn teaching in Matthew 25, that genuine faith is evidenced by faithful obedience and perseverance.

God bless you brother.

J.

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I think it is possible to stop sinning altogether. “You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” Matthew 5:48 RSV

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We’re talking about Christians seeking to honour God, by how they live, work and relax.

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