Should the Church Align with Christian Nationalists or Remain Politically Neutral?

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Bubbles, thank you for the thoughtful reflection. There’s much in what you’ve shared that invites deeper consideration, so I hope you’ll indulge me in engaging with it piece by piece.

You rightly begin with Romans 13—a foundational text where Paul reminds us that “there is no authority except that which God has established.” Yes, even Joe Biden (and, for that matter, Pharaoh, Nebuchadnezzar, and Pontius Pilate) held power under God’s sovereignty. That doesn’t necessarily equate to divine approval of their every policy or action, of course—but it does challenge us to humility and obedience, so far as it doesn’t conflict with God’s higher law (Acts 5:29).

Now, to the heart of your point: Was Jesus political?

In one sense, absolutely—His very presence was a challenge to every earthly power. He entered Jerusalem to shouts of “Hosanna!”—a kingly welcome. He disrupted the temple economy, called out corrupt religious leaders, and declared a kingdom not of this world, yet utterly destined to replace it. You’re right: that’s precisely why He was such a threat.

But where I’d offer a gentle pushback is in how we define “political.” Jesus didn’t campaign, legislate, or seek earthly office. His revolution was one of the heart, rooted not in coercive power but in sacrificial love. He rebuked Peter for reaching for the sword (Matthew 26:52), and His crown was made of thorns before it will ever be of gold.

You mention that Christianity is an intolerant authoritarian elitist divine dictatorship. That’s quite the phrase—almost poetic in its punch. But I wonder: doesn’t Scripture portray the kingdom more as a shepherd-led refuge, a mustard seed that grows gently, an open invitation to the weary and burdened? Yes, Christ will rule with justice, and His rule is absolute—but it is also good, and just, and entirely unlike the dominions of this world.

I’m with you that the gospel creates a counter-cultural community—a people called out, holy, and distinct. But that doesn’t mean aligning the Church with the politics of this age, whether left or right. Our allegiance is higher. As Jesus said to Pilate: “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight…” (John 18:36).

So perhaps the Church’s task isn’t to baptize earthly nations into our cause, but to be the visible expression of the coming kingdom—distinct, prophetic, and deeply rooted in the gospel, not in party platforms.

Would love to hear more about how you see the Church navigating these tensions in a practical sense.

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Jesus didn’t campaign? I disagree.
Remember how he taught in parables only? And when his Disciples asked why this was so Jesus told them, it is because not everyone was meant to understand his teachings and come to repentance.

Understanding was given to those he chose as his Disciples. But to others understanding was not given.

And in short, at the end, when all is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is established on earth, every Elect citizen is in Christ.
It isn’t a diverse community. It is an exclusive community. Revelation tells us God’s plan is not one of tolerance.

He eliminates everyone not chosen before the foundation of the world to be in his covenant.

The idea that Christians should assume aa higher moral tolerance for law breakers than does God is wrong headed.

Would we make excuses for and allowance of the racist? The murderer? Plenty of those exist in this country already. Now we have others who are also illegals.

And Leftists like to claim illegals contribute less criminal activity than do citizens. That’s an absurd defense on behalf of those who enmass are law breakers as undocumented trespassing immigrants.

Now, we’re suppose to think their presence isn’t that bad when certain among them murder fewer people than citizens do?

I met a woman at work the other day, a customer. She use to work on Capitol Hill.

She defended illegals and opposed deportation.

They pay income taxes, she said . But, they aren’t entitled to their benefits after, she said. That’s wrong. And that’s also why it is foolish was to deport them, she said.

Here’s the thing.

Illegals do not pay income tax.

Legally.

If they get a job and pay income tax they did so because they stole someone’s identity.

We need to stop making excuses for illegal activity that threatens this nation and our people. That’s not love. That’s complicity and , given citizens of enemy states/countries are entering, Treason.

God defended with extreme prejudice his lands and people. In the 21st century we,in the name of God,are to set a better example today?

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Bubbles, you bring fire—and I respect that. There’s passion in your words, and I don’t doubt your desire to defend truth and righteousness. But I want to press in a bit, not to quarrel, but to clarify, and maybe even provoke a deeper look at what spirit we’re operating from.

You argued that Jesus “did campaign,” because He taught in parables only some could understand. But if selective teaching is a campaign strategy, it’s the worst one in history. Jesus wasn’t stumping for votes—He was preparing disciples. He avoided political power. When the crowds tried to crown Him king, He walked away (John 6:15). When Pilate pressed Him, He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36). That’s not politics—that’s sovereignty. He came to conquer sin and death, not Senate seats.

You say the kingdom is not diverse, but exclusive—and yes, salvation is through one narrow gate: Christ alone. But don’t mistake exclusivity of access with uniformity of person. Heaven will be full of former addicts, exiles, ex-cons, and all manner of misfits washed in the blood (Revelation 7:9). The scandal of grace is not who’s excluded—it’s who gets in.

Now, let’s talk immigration. You speak of illegal immigrants with a level of certainty that demands scrutiny. You claim they don’t pay taxes unless they commit identity theft. That’s simply not true. Many use ITINs—government-issued numbers that legally allow them to pay taxes even without status. That doesn’t excuse broken laws—but truth matters. As believers, we’re called to wield the sword of truth, not a cudgel of assumption.

And this line—“It’s not love, it’s complicity… treason.” Sister, that’s strong language. But remember, God didn’t call Jonah to Nineveh because they were upstanding citizens. He called him there because they weren’t. And when Jonah pouted that God was too merciful, God reminded him that He has compassion even on those who don’t know their right hand from their left (Jonah 4:11).

So no—we don’t excuse crime. But neither do we dehumanize the sinner. The same gospel that reached you and me is powerful enough for the undocumented, the addict, the “other.” If we start sorting who’s worthy of mercy based on man-made borders, we’re not preaching Christ—we’re preaching Caesar.

The Church is not a branch of Homeland Security. It’s the embassy of a coming Kingdom—a place where grace shocks, truth convicts, and love refuses to be reduced to policy points.

You want righteousness? So do I. But let’s not confuse zeal for justice with a spirit of fear or disdain. God didn’t appoint the Church to guard the borders of nations. He appointed us to bear witness to a King whose arms are still wide open.

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GREAT POST!!! Should be carefully ready by everyone

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You would be hard pressed to show where Jesus said to tolerate sin.

The TIN. number isnt to be exploited by illegals. It is a federal offense to hire illegals.

I’ve tolerated your patronizing to this point as you defend law breaking sinners sin.

However,when you imply my standing with the law and recognizing Jesus in a different manner than you do as needing to be careful I might be operating under the spirit of Satan,we’re done.

Transference is not of God. And neither is hypocrisy .

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Bubbles, let’s both take a breath.

No one here is defending sin. What I’m defending is the gospel’s ability to meet sinners before they get their paperwork in order. Jesus didn’t say “tolerate sin”—He said, “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone” (John 8:7). That’s not tolerance—it’s perspective.

Yes, hiring undocumented workers is illegal. So is bearing false witness—and misrepresenting someone’s words. I never said you were operating under the spirit of Satan. What I said is we all need to be mindful of which spirit we’re operating from—fear, pride, or the Holy Spirit. That includes me.

If calling for mercy alongside truth is “transference” or “hypocrisy,” then Christ Himself stands accused. Because while we were still sinners, He died for us—not after we got our documentation in order (Romans 5:8).

If you’re done, that’s your call. But as for me, I’ll keep speaking the truth in love, even when it’s uncomfortable.

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Sorry, but new here. “Church” means which church or denomination? I can’t decide which church feels right. I was not raised in this lifestyle and I am still working out how my friends will take it, tbh.

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You’ll continue to speak, of course .

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Do you have trouble understanding these five words: love your neighbor as yourself. It is in BOTH testaments.

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Not at all, Benny. In fact, I treasure those five words—“love your neighbor as yourself”—and I’m grateful God spoke them in both covenants. The challenge, as you well know, isn’t reading them—it’s living them.

But here’s the thing: love isn’t always applause, and truth isn’t always soft. Sometimes loving my neighbor means feeding him. Sometimes it means correcting him. Sometimes it means standing with him, even when others say he doesn’t belong.

So I’d ask in return: How do you define that love when neighborliness bumps into national borders, or when mercy meets law?

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I base my scriptural thinking on loving my neighbor on the parable that Jesus taught. Let’s look at some of the points…

a) The victim, a Jew, was beaten and left on the side of the road.
b) Two Jews (a priest and a Levite, coming from Jerusalem, presumably from the temple) passed him by without giving him any aid.
c) A (despised) Samaritan stopped, treated his wounds, then took him to an inn to recover.
d) He asked the innkeeper to look after him and to charge any costs incurred to him when he returned.

  1. His own people, presumably coming from the Temple, ignored one of their own.
  2. An alien non-Jew was the one who showed true compassion by caring for an injured Jew.
  3. => Remember who is telling this parable! <=

To respond to your questions…

Clearly Jesus Christ made it a point to show that spatial identity (national borders, ethnicity, etc.) are not relevant to caring for another person, especially one in need of meaningful help.

I don’t understand what you mean by “when mercy meets law”? The Declaration of Independence clearly states (with my emphases)…

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–=> That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men <=, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT → OF THE PEOPLE ← TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

In terms of caring for people and treating them as EQUALS, both the Bible and the Declaration of Independence clearly show that we are to be compassionate and give them not only their full rights but also direct aid REGARDLESS OF THEIR IDENTITY.

National borders are irrelevant. (Remember, the Biblical victim was a foreigner!)

If the law and mercy are opposed, then it is the duty to the people to change the law. => ALL PEOPLE (ALL!) are created equal and deserve equal rights under the law and compassion if they are having difficulties <= Anyone who disagrees with these principles cannot, in good conscience, call themselves either a Christian or an American.

That is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Trump and his cult followers are doing. Even those who call themselves Christians and/or claim to be patriotic.

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In my view politics are in way to many issues in regular peoples lives. In education, in the church, in healthcare and the list goes on. Yes many get funding from the government but it should not mean they can take those issues over . Governmets especially should stay out of the church. In my opinion.

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All great opinons here! My take is this will get resolved if an employee/worker crisis comes to a boil. Market forces will demand some sort of guest-worker or citizen path resolution. Tariffs and a worker shortage could really cause prices :hamster: :collision:
This should be an oportunity for church outreach to help witness to those worried about deportation. Pres Trump has indicated he will offer those that self-deport a chance to return under his new improved program (tba).

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Benny, thank you for taking the time to lay this out carefully—it deserves a careful reply.

You are right to point us back to the parable of the Good Samaritan. Jesus shattered the assumptions of His audience by showing that true neighbor-love crosses ethnic, social, and religious barriers. Mercy is not bound by borders, and in Christ, we are called to see every person as bearing the image of God (Genesis 1:27).

But notice something: the Samaritan helped the man personally. He didn’t lobby Caesar to change Roman law. He didn’t storm the Sanhedrin to abolish Jewish governance. He saw the man in need and acted with compassion himself. Kingdom work is personal first—transformed hearts, not overturned governments.

When I spoke about “when mercy meets law,” I meant this: compassion is never an excuse for lawlessness. Scripture calls us to mercy, yes, but also to justice (Micah 6:8). Governments are also servants of God to maintain order and punish wrongdoing (Romans 13:1–4). These two commands—love your neighbor and respect lawful order—exist side by side, even when it’s hard.

As for the Declaration of Independence, it’s a powerful human document, but it’s not Scripture. It reflects beautiful truths rooted in biblical ideas, but our first citizenship is not American—it’s in the Kingdom of God (Philippians 3:20).
And in that Kingdom, we are called to uphold truth and compassion together, not sacrifice one for the other.

Finally, about your political remarks: I’m not here to defend any political figure or “cult.” Christ alone deserves our allegiance. But I would caution—very gently—that whenever we divide the world neatly into “good people who agree with me” and “evil people who don’t,” we are in danger of falling into the very self-righteousness Jesus warned against (Luke 18:9-14).

In the end, loving our neighbor doesn’t erase all distinctions or dissolve every boundary. It calls us to personal sacrifice, personal kindness, and personal holiness.
Not merely shouting slogans—but picking up the wounded where we find them.

I appreciate your passion, Benny. Truly. I pray we both seek to live out love in full truth.

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Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I am looking forward to continuing this discussion, as it is very different in tone and content from many others.

You wrote “Mercy is not bound by borders, and in Christ, we are called to see every person as bearing the image of God”. Unfortunately, that is clearly NOT what is happening in the US today – quite the opposite. People are being discriminated against and worse, punished (including deportation), based on ethnicity, birth nationality, gender, and any other characteristic that differs from WASP. I have always rejoiced in the social progress that has been made during my lifetime, but now that is being reversed.

Regarding loving one’s neighbor, one of the most difficult comments in Scripture for me is the man’s reply to Jesus’ telling him to love his neighbor: “Who is my neighbor?” He needed to know exactly whom he should love AND WHOM HE SHOULDN’T! He was unable to see that every person bears the image of God. In other words, he was practicing the same kind of discrimination that we are witnessing in the US today, led first and foremost by Donald J Trump.

I disagree with your third paragraph, as it is not based on reality. Of course he didn’t lobby Caesar(!) or his representatives for obvious reasons. He belonged to a despised society (like today’s immigrant farm workers) and stood no chance of being heard. The same fact applies to abolishing the Jewish governance. Nobody in power would listen to him! (Sound familiar?) Don’t forget that neither of those were a democracy. We have established in the modern government that everyone, even the poorest are entitled to the basic needs of life: food, health care, education, safety, etc. That far surpasses the cruel government of Caesar’s time, the cruel discrimination of the Jewish governance, and the governance of Donald J Trump. Two facts: Jesus was poor and homeless, and sent His disciples out to preach with nothing (no staff, no food, etc.) AND BE DEPENDENT ON THE KINDNESS AND GENEROSITY OF OTHERS.

I have always had a problem with Romans 13:1–4. I think that Paul wrote that to keep people as safe as possible from tyranny. There is no way that he would approve the barbarism of the Roman governance, one of the cruelest in an age of cruelty. He wanted Christians to be as safe as possible, but that is entirely different from approving of the barbarous government who had no hesitation to murder whoever disagreed with them. I seriously doubt that Paul approved of the barbarous, tyrannical Roman government in any manner!

Your paragraph about the Declaration of Independence really bothers me. Your previous paragraph extols the virtue of government, then you immediately contradict it. The principles stated in the Declaration of Independence are what all people should live by, but Trump and his cohorts are doing just the opposite. Again, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–=> That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men <=, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That WHENEVER ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT BECOMES DESTRUCTIVE OF THESE ENDS, IT IS THE RIGHT → OF THE PEOPLE ← TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Trump clearly violates the principle that We hold these truths to be self-evident, that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, and that they are endowed by their Creator(!) with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. He has brought back intolerance and hatred of all who are not WASPs! He deports people to a foreign prison based on whom he THINKS they are, without evidence or a trial. (Even Jesus was entitled to a trial by the Romans!). He has clearly deprived people of their rights based on the color of their skin, their sexuality, the country of their origin => WITHOUT THE DUE PROCESS OF LAW!!! <= TRUMP PUNISHES ANYONE WHOM HE DOESN’T LIKE WITHOUT LEGAL BASIS! (Just like Caesar!)

Your comment about our first citizenship not being American conflicts with the Scripture that you quote from Romans 13. You can’t have it both ways. While we are living on this earth we are citizens of two places: God’s kingdom and the secular government under which we live. I can’t accept your rationalization.

Tell the police officer when you’re arrested for speeding that you aren’t required to obey the law since your citizenship is in heaven! Tell him or her that you live by God’s law, not secular law, so you can drive as you please.

The point is that while we are living our earthly life, we are to be compassionate to EVERYONE regardless of their social standing, gender, skin color, national origin, wealth, etc. => THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DONALD TRUMP, CONVICTED OF 34 FELONIES AND SEXUAL ASSAULT, IS NOT DOING. HE IS ACTING DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE TO CHRISTIAN VALUES AND DISREGARDING BOTH DIVINE PRINCIPLES AND SECULAR LAW <=

You say that Christ alone deserves our allegiance, which contradicts what you wrote about Romans 13. We are citizens of the kingdom of God, but we are also citizens of the country in which we live. Remember this! => IT WAS THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT THAT KILLED JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR <= Just like Trump, they had no regard for principles of justice or the guilt or innocence of their victim. When we divide the world neatly into “good people who agree with me” and “evil people who don’t,” we are in danger of falling into the very self-righteousness Jesus warned against (Luke 18:9-14). We are obligated, as God’s people, to divide the world into “good people who agree with God and His Son and live under the covenant purchased with His blood” and “evil people who don’t", but to treat all with love, kindness, compassion, and mercy.

John 3:16-21, “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.”

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Benny, thank you for such a thorough and passionate response. I appreciate the depth you’re bringing to this discussion—it shows you care deeply about truth, justice, and compassion. That’s a good thing.

Let me respond carefully.

You’re right that Jesus’ parable of the Good Samaritan teaches us to love across barriers. But what’s critical is that Jesus described an individual act of mercy—not the replacement of governments or borders. Compassion is a command to you and me personally. It’s not a blueprint for erasing lawful order or national responsibility.

You’re also right that Scripture commands us to treat all people with dignity because they are made in God’s image. Where I think you misstep is assuming that enforcing borders, deporting under lawful process, or maintaining distinctions of citizenship is automatically hatred or bigotry. The law itself is not evil—partiality and cruelty are. God’s Word calls both individuals and governments to justice and righteousness (Isaiah 1:17).

As for Romans 13, you raise an old and understandable tension. Paul wrote it under a brutal empire, yes. And yet, he called believers to submit as far as conscience before God allowed. Why? Because even wicked governments are better than anarchy. Paul’s ultimate allegiance was Christ, but while on earth, he taught us to live orderly, peaceable lives whenever possible (1 Timothy 2:1-2). Submitting to the law doesn’t mean endorsing every ruler’s sin.

About the Declaration of Independence: it’s a noble human document, but it’s not on par with Scripture. It points to rights endowed by the Creator, yes—but America is not the Kingdom of God. Its founding ideals are good; its execution has always been imperfect. Only Christ’s reign will be perfectly righteous. Let’s not confuse patriotic virtue with gospel truth.

Regarding your comments about Trump—I’ll simply say this: no earthly leader, left or right, holds the keys to the Kingdom. None are righteous by default, and all must be judged by God’s standard, not ours. I am not here to defend any man’s sins or excuse injustice. But just as we must not excuse lawlessness, we must not wield accusations as weapons without clear, righteous cause (Exodus 23:1).

Lastly, your appeal to John 3:16 is beautiful. But notice—it teaches that those who reject Christ are already condemned, not because of political affiliation, but because they refuse the light. Salvation is the heart of our mission—not political activism, not party loyalty. The gospel transcends all human systems.

In short, I believe:
• Love demands personal sacrifice and mercy.
• Lawful government is a God-ordained structure, even when imperfect.
• Our first citizenship is in heaven—but while here, we live honorably within earthly systems as far as conscience allows.
• No political party or leader fully represents Christ—only Christ Himself does.

I’ll keep praying for both of us to walk more closely in that light. Iron sharpens iron, Benny (Proverbs 27:17). Thanks for sharpening me today.

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Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I am always appreciative of a good discussion, which unfortunately is not too common.

I agree with almost everything that you wrote. I’ll address certain points…

You wrote that compassion is a command to you and me personally and that it’s not a blueprint for erasing lawful order or national responsibility. I don’t see the two as being in conflict. Compassion is a quality that applies individually and collectively. As Christians, we should value compassion however it occurs. Unfortunately, the present administration values bigotry and intolerance. I had believed that we, as a nation, had moved beyond those values, but clearly I was wrong. The spirit of the present time, from the President on down to the common individual, is just the opposite. Women, people of color, immigrants, LGBTQs – all are demonized, which reminds me of that awful comment “who is my neighbor?” The answer, of course, is EVERYONE. “For God so loved the world…” He didn’t love just some and not others, AND WE AS CHRISTIANS – GOD’S CHILDREN – SHOULD DO THE SAME.

There have always been border enforcement problems, but Trump exaggerates it to the extreme. Now pay attention to this please: I live in New Mexico, a border state, and I have never seen anything resembling the hordes of people that Trump claims are invading our nation. I remember eating lunch with a friend at a table facing the street and wondering “where are all these people that Trump claims are ruining our lives?” Again, I am in New Mexico. I am not saying that there is not a problem with illegal immigration, but it is nowhere near what Trump claims. It is racism, pure and simple! What about immigrants arriving from Canada? Arriving in airports throughout the country? Overstaying their visas? → Why aren’t those people mentioned by Trump? ← => Why did he appoint an (unelected) immigrant (who arrived illegally and didn’t receive a single vote) to restructure the US government??? <= Trump’s entire “immigration” issue is nothing more than bigotry and racism. I thought we had moved beyond that ugliness in this country, but clearly “HATE YOUR NEIGHBOR” is the fundamental value.

John 3:16-19 (with my emphases): For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. WHOEVER believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil

God loves the world, not just some of the world. =>ALL PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF RACE, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN, ETC. <=

God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, yet that is what Trump is trying to get us to do: hate immigrants! (Which means all of us except Native Americans.)

Whoever believes in him is not condemned Nationality, gender, race, etc; nobody is condemned.

This part of John’s gospel clearly shows that the country, led by Trump, Musk, et al, is going in exactly the opposite direction. GOD LOVES THE WORLD, TRUMP DIVIDES IT

P.S. The recent deportations (by a man convicted of 34 felonies!) were NOT legal! There was no due process, as required by the Constitution and, court orders were ignored.

It doesn’t matter how high Trump held the Bible or the fact that the Bibles he is selling were printed in China, he is turning this country away from Christ and toward Satan.

Luke 4:5-7, "The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. If you worship me, it will all be yours.”

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Benny,

I truly appreciate your willingness to keep this conversation thoughtful and spirited. I see that you are passionate for justice and compassion—and for that, I thank God.

But, as iron sharpens iron (Proverbs 27:17), let me gently but firmly push back on a few things you raised.

First, I agree fully: “God so loved the world.” No one—regardless of race, nationality, gender, or background—is excluded from His love. That’s the gospel. But while God’s love is unconditional, salvation is conditional: “whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). The line of division is not political, racial, or economic—it is faith in Christ, or rejection of Him. The gospel never calls us to hatred of any person—but it does call us to truth, even when that truth is uncomfortable.

Second, you bring up real issues about immigration and fairness. And I don’t deny there are real abuses and injustices in political systems.

However, tying the entire immigration debate—and every enforcement of law—to “hate your neighbor” rhetoric is an oversimplification. It weaponizes compassion into a political club, rather than the personal moral duty Christ calls each believer to bear. A nation having borders and laws is not inherently bigotry. Scripture supports ordered societies (Romans 13:1–7), even while commanding mercy for the foreigner (Exodus 22:21, Leviticus 19:33–34).

Both truths exist together. Neither cancels the other out.

Third, on Trump, Musk, and the broader political accusations:

I’ll just say this: No earthly leader saves or damns a nation. Leaders come and go. Some are wicked, some are foolish, some are wise. But as Psalm 146 reminds us, “Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal men, who cannot save.”

You grieve over political corruption—I grieve over human sin at every level. You decry injustice—I agree we must. But no human government, no political figure, left or right, can substitute for the reign of Christ.

Finally, Luke 4:5-7 is a powerful warning—and it’s rightly applied to all systems of power, not just one man. The kingdoms of this world are always a temptation to idolatry. That is why, as followers of Christ, our ultimate citizenship and hope cannot be tethered to any earthly movement, leader, or nation.

We must live as sojourners and ambassadors (2 Corinthians 5:20)—preaching Christ crucified, not merely reforming earthly empires.

In short:

  • We must love without distinction.
  • We must defend truth without compromise.
  • We must preach Christ, not political saviors.
  • And we must walk humbly, knowing that our King is not elected by men, but enthroned forever by the will of God.

Benny, I appreciate your heart. I simply urge caution against allowing political anger—however justified—to cloud the radical, world-changing mission Christ gave us: Go make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19), not build perfect governments.

Looking forward to your thoughts, brother.

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I have decided that, based on your most recent post (which has been deleted), I will no longer discuss matters with you.

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Wisdom proves herself right in the end.

There is a parable that speaks of truth and deception being sown in a field- side by side.

When a farmer learns that his fields have been corrupted by an enemy, he tells his workers to let it all continue to grow together instead of starting over.

When the harvest comes, the fruit, or lack, will reveal the nature of each seed sown.

As King Solomon once said, there is nothing new under the sun. This has all happened before, and it will all happen again.

In it’s second incarnation, the church was bound to Rome and served that government.

Over the years that followed, various corruptions occurred. The church evolved. And since that time, multiple incarnations were born.

The Church of England, born to serve an English King, for example. Was that King James, the one who had a translation of the Bible made that was also dedicated to him?

Martin Luther seperated from the Catholic church after listing a series of grievances, started a whole new church.

The Puritans, the Pentecostals, the Baptists and so on and so forth. Each born from a seed of one kind or another. Good, bad, Godly, or not… You know these by their fruit. As you know each person by theirs.

Should the Christian Church align with Christian Nationalists? That’s not the question.. It already has. A movement of Christian Nationalism is under way. The Christian Church is enmeshed with Christian Nationalists, as well as those who remain faithful to God. Side by side.

And as it has happened before, a division is coming . Some will go one way, and others will go another. Each by their nature. Each to their propper place.

Wisdom is proven right by her children.