The Jehovah witness religion= A worldwide brotherhood, unified in love, peace and unity of thought( 1Cor 1:1= a true mark) no division. Are taught the same spiritual feedings worldwide week after week.
Hundreds of trinity religions= 0 unity of thought totally divided, thus fail 1Cor 1:10) 100%-All have different teachings on matters=confusion.
So which do you think is the narrow gate?
I think your ‘0 unity of thought totally divided’ description of Christianity is such a broad and inaccurate statement. The various denominations do differ in some areas, but they all believe and trust in the basic truth found in the Nicene creed. And if they don’t believe what’s in the Nicene creed, then they are not a Christian church. In this, we are all unified. The rest is just difference of opinion and not that important. Salvation is by faith in Jesus. All Christians believe that.
You already know this, but I’ll repeat it anyways. Jesus is the way, He is the truth and He is the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him. That’s a pretty narrow gate. Anything outside of that or anything that adds to that is the broad way. End of story.
If I’ve misunderstood you, please set me straight.
When you signed up here, and you cIicked that you agreed to the Terms of Service, you agreed to follow the rules. One of the rules is not spreading teachings that are not Christain. By continuing to do so makes you a liar. Do you remember the Commandment “Thy shall not lie”? Or have the JW changed that to fit the JW false doctrine as well? Is it now “Thy shall not lie unless it is to troll Christian sites”?
Yes one must go through Jesus to get to his Father and do Matt 6:33-John 4:22-24 daily. Trinity religions stop at Jesus.
The movement known as Jehovah’s Witnesses, organized under the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, rejects or reinterprets a large number of historic Christian doctrines that have been affirmed across the catholic tradition of the church from the early creeds through the Reformation.
The Trinity – They deny that the one God exists eternally as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one essence and three persons.
The full deity of Christ – Jesus is viewed as a created being rather than eternally God.
The personality and deity of the Holy Spirit – The Spirit is defined as an impersonal “active force,” not a divine person.
Scripture consistently presents Father, Son, and Spirit together within the divine identity.
“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”[1]
Eternal Sonship of Christ – They deny that the Son existed eternally as the divine Logos.
Christ as Creator of all things – They teach that Christ was the first creation rather than the Creator.
The incarnation as God becoming man – They reinterpret it as an angelic being becoming human.
Identification of Christ with Michael the archangel = A central element of their Christology.
Scripture presents Christ as the eternal divine Word.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”[2]
Justification by faith alone – They teach salvation involves faith plus organizational loyalty and works.
The sufficiency of Christ’s atoning work – The cross is not viewed as fully accomplishing redemption for all believers.
The universal priesthood of believers – Only a limited class (144,000) participates in heavenly mediation.
The apostolic teaching affirms justification through faith in Christ.
“For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.”[3]
Personhood of the Spirit – They teach the Spirit is merely a divine energy or force.
The New Testament attributes personal actions to the Spirit.
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things.”[4]
Immortality of the soul – They deny that the human soul continues consciously after death.
Conscious intermediate state – They teach that the dead cease to exist until resurrection.
The New Testament portrays conscious presence with Christ after death.
“Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.”[5]
Eternal conscious punishment – They reject the historic doctrine of hell as eternal judgment.
Heavenly destiny for all believers – They divide believers into two classes: 144,000 heavenly rulers and an earthly class.
Bodily resurrection for all believers into eternal communion with God – Their view differs significantly from historic Christian eschatology.
Jesus describes final judgment in eternal terms.
“And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”[6]
The universal church as the body of Christ composed of all believers – They claim the true church is uniquely represented by their organization.
Historic Christian sacramental theology – Their practices differ radically from traditional baptism and communion theology.
Thus…
In classical systematic theology, the teachings rejected or redefined by Jehovah’s Witnesses include core doctrines in:
Theology Proper (Trinity, nature of God)
Christology (deity and eternal nature of Christ)
Pneumatology (personhood of the Holy Spirit)
Soteriology (justification and the sufficiency of the cross)
Anthropology (nature of the soul)
Eschatology (eternal judgment and destiny of believers)
Ecclesiology (nature of the church)
Because these doctrines lie at the center of historic Christian orthodoxy, most theological traditions classify the system of Jehovah’s Witnesses as a restorationist movement outside the boundaries of classical Christian doctrine.
Personally, I think you are on the wrong forum @Servant1 -we can’t help you.
J.
No matter what you all do and say, its 100% fact-The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Earth back the JW religion. You best learn them. I don’t need help, you all do. You are all being mislead.
You don’t come across as someone willing to engage in real debate or offer substantive rebuttals.
It is a bold claim to suggest that everyone on this forum is being misled while you alone are the one holding the truth.
J.
Well, I guess that is what JW and Catholics DO have in comon. Yes. They are both wrong.
Peter
The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Earth prove 100% the JW,s are correct. You are not taught them correctly. I say things because they are fact, not to be arrogant.
If you read occult books,many are about Jesus they will say he was a great teacher or that he was inspirational. However they will not say he died for our sins. In a way this shows what is essential.
The doctrine of the trinity may be presented as a package written by theology professors. As I see it, Jesus said “if you have seen me, you have seen the Father.” I take this as true even if I do not have a celestial organizational chart.
One should be careful with groups that offer the “we are right and everyone else is wrong” idea. it is a hook often used by cults The appeal is a feeling of being special. This is an appeal to vanity and is of the flesh.
Jesus died for repented sin, not willfull or practiced sin( those work iniquity( Matt 7:21-23). Jesus is his Fathers image. He only taught what the Father commanded him to teach. He only does what the Father commands him to do-John 5:19,30)
Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it true. I’ve shown it to be incorrect repeatedly, but you ignore, deflect, or twist scripture. Prove your claims with scripture, and I will accept your correction.
Peter
. It reminds me of what the Pharisees said to Peter and John. They could not care less that they were preaching the word of God. The only thing they had a problem with was the key. Jesus.
“So they called them and charged them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.” Acts 4:18
Amen!
Peter
Honest question: Do you believe Jesus physically rose from the dead?
Peter
Jesus died for repented sin, not willfull or practiced sin
1Jn_2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
When you stop and think about it Jesus would have to die for the sins of the whole world. By taking ownership, he is just to judge and punish.
Rom_12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH)Jehovah)
Matt 5:5- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the Earth
Lords prayer-Hallowed be your( Father) name-YHVH(Jehovah)
John 17:1-6,26–This means eternal life, their knowing you( Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ–Verse6=YHVH(Jehovah)–Verse 26= YHVH(Jehovah)
John 17-Rev 3:12-Jesus teaches he has a God just like we do.
John 4:22-24–Teaches-the true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth—no mention of a trinity
John 5:19, 30-Gives 100% credit to the Father
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
One common characteristic of a cult follower is the bullet like reflex to attack rather than a reasoned and deliberative discussion. If you do not believe in a Trinity, fine. If you do not believe that Jesus died for your sins, you may have more of an ultimate problem.
There is no use trying to make a liar see his own lies. He “preaches” from a corrupted and twisted version of the Holy Bible that jw’s call a “New World Translation”.
Gen 1:27–only a HE ( not us) was the creator) Prov 8:27-28-HE created, not an us. HE = the Father=YHVH(Jehovah), Jesus is the other 1/2 of the US=builder=Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)
No capitol G God to the Word in Greek.
Well, I do not believe I will debate from a corrupt book altered to fit a man-made religion. But since all three are god, and you cannot get to God by leaving God, Jesus out, and receiving the Holy Spirit, God, then it really does not matter what you call Him. You are addressing all three.
Of course, all praise and Glory be to God the Father. By saying this, I in no way exclude the other two. They or He, God, has always been and will always be.
Peter