Who is the head of you trinity?
Why didn’t Jesus pray to the Holy Ghost?
Why didn’t the Holy Ghost pray to the Father or the Son ?
Why didn’t the Father pray to the Holy Ghost?
The only thing you have shown is that Jesus when in flesh prayed because He (the flesh) was ultra dependent on the Spirit and was our pattern and role model of where our strength comes from.Jesus had a dual nature- God and man
BrotherDavid, you’re circling the same well but drawing muddy water. Let’s bring some scriptural steel to your questions.
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“Who is the head of your Trinity?”
1 Corinthians 11:3 – “The head of Christ is God.”
That’s in the context of Christ’s incarnate submission, not eternal inequality. The Trinity has order, not hierarchy of essence.
In the economy of redemption, the Father sends, the Son obeys, and the Spirit applies—but all are co-equal in power, glory, and essence (John 1:1; Acts 5:3–4; Hebrews 1:8).
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“Why didn’t Jesus pray to the Holy Ghost?”
Because prayer in Scripture is relational—and the Son, in His incarnate role, submitted to the Father (Luke 22:42). The Spirit was His power, not His recipient.
But don’t think the Spirit’s sidelined—He’s called “another Comforter” (John 14:16), He intercedes for us (Romans 8:26), and He searches the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10).
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“Why doesn’t the Holy Ghost pray to the Father or Son?”
Because the Spirit’s role is not to pray, but to empower, intercede, teach, and glorify the Son (John 16:13–14). Prayer is not about status—it’s about role. The Spirit is the one who enables prayer, not the one needing to offer it (Romans 8:26).
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“Jesus had a dual nature.”
Yes, and amen. But if all you’re saying is “Jesus prayed as a man”, you’ve missed the point:
He also said things no mere man would dare:
• “Before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58)
• “I and My Father are one.” (John 10:30)
• “Glorify Me with the glory I had with You before the world was.” (John 17:5)
That’s divine personhood in communion—not flesh talking to deity like it’s a ventriloquist act.
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So here’s the real question:
If Jesus is the Father, who was He submitting to?
If the Spirit is just “the power of God,” why does He speak, grieve, teach, and send?
You want to protect the oneness of God? So do I.
But don’t do it by slicing off His revealed Persons.
One God. Three Persons.
Not philosophy.
Pure Scripture.
You really have provided any scriptures that validate your three headed God stance…the trinity was developed by carnal man-made reasoning. If your three “persons” are equal and you see there are things that they did not all do, now you have succumbed to a position that I have been stating- roles, offices or manifestations. Here are your words: “Prayer is not about status—it’s about role” But the trinitarian stance is God in 3 separate and distinct “persons” that are equal.
If you are equal with someone that means that whatever that they can do, you can do.
Look my brother, I’m not making this up…
Here is a borrowed explanation (not my words)
In traditional [Trinitarian Christianity the Father is often understood as the first person and the
head of the Trinity. While all three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are equal in being and power, the Father is seen as the source or origin from which the Son is begotten and
the Spirit proceeds. This understanding is rooted in the concept of the Father as the creator and sustainer of all things, and the Son and Spirit as emanating from him.
You replied:“Why didn’t Jesus pray to the Holy Ghost?”
Because prayer in Scripture is relational—and the Son, in His incarnate role, submitted to the Father (Luke 22:42). The Spirit was His power, not His recipient.
Now is the Holy Ghost a separate, distinct and equal “person” or was He only God’s power?
You can’t have it both ways.
Yes in the NAME (singular) not titles. The Apostles knew the NAME of the Father, Son nd Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:38
Authorized (King James) Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:15-16
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15 who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 10:48
Authorized (King James) Version
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:5
Authorized (King James) Version
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263 – Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.
Ah BrotherDavid, you’re doing theological gymnastics while accusing me of doing cartwheels. So let’s get back to the mat and plant our feet on Scripture, not borrowed blurbs or man-made misunderstandings.
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- “You haven’t provided Scripture for your three-headed God.”
Let’s stop right there. No Trinitarian believes in a “three-headed God.” That’s a strawman soaked in gasoline.
We worship one God in three co-equal, co-eternal Persons—not three gods, not three parts, and definitely not three heads.
Now for the verses you keep pretending don’t exist:
• Matthew 3:16–17 – Jesus baptized, the Spirit descends, and the Father speaks. Three distinct Persons, acting at once, yet one God.
• Matthew 28:19 – “In the name [singular] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
• John 14:16–17 – Jesus says, “I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Comforter.” Three Persons, clearly distinguished.
• 2 Corinthians 13:14 – “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost…”
If that’s not tri-personal glory, what is?
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- “If they’re equal, why don’t they all do the same things?”
Because equality doesn’t mean redundancy.
The Father sends.
The Son saves.
The Spirit sanctifies.
Different roles, not different worth.
Even in human terms—husband and wife are equal in worth, but not identical in function. If you think equality means doing the same thing at the same time, you’ve confused divine unity with robotic cloning.
Jesus submits to the Father (John 5:19), but also shares the same glory (John 17:5). That’s not contradiction. That’s Trinitarian order.
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- “If the Holy Ghost is a Person, why do you say He’s Jesus’ power?”
Let me clean that up for you. I never said the Holy Spirit is only God’s power. I said the Spirit empowered Jesus’ humanity during His earthly ministry (Luke 4:1, 14)—not that the Spirit is an impersonal force.
The Holy Ghost:
• Speaks (Acts 13:2)
• Grieves (Eph. 4:30)
• Teaches (John 14:26)
• Intercedes (Rom. 8:26)
• Sends and forbids (Acts 16:6–7)
That’s not energy. That’s personhood.
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- “You’ve proven they have roles, so now you agree with me!”
No, I don’t. Because you believe one person playing three roles. I believe three Persons with relational distinction, not costume changes.
You’re describing a theological puppet show. I’m describing Father, Son, and Spirit—interacting in Scripture as distinct, co-equal Persons. That’s not a role. That’s a relationship.
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Final Shot of Truth:
You say, “You can’t have it both ways.”
Actually, Scripture demands both:
• One God in essence.
• Three Persons in relationship.
The Trinity isn’t a contradiction—it’s the only way to honor all the data without hacking off pieces of God’s revelation to make your theology fit.
So no—I don’t need philosophy.
Just need Genesis to Revelation, and the courage to read what’s actually there.
BrotherDavid, you’ve got a sharp memory but a dull sword when it comes to rightly dividing the Word. You keep quoting Acts, but you’re using it to override Jesus’ own command in Matthew 28:19, rather than letting Scripture interpret Scripture. So let’s slice through this mess with the whole counsel of God, not cherry-picked verses and Catholic Encyclopedia footnotes.
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- “In the NAME…” – Yes, Singular Name. But Whose Name?
Matthew 28:19 (KJV):
“Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
Not “names” (plural), but “name” (singular)—why?
Because the three Persons share one divine essence. Not three gods. One God. Three Persons. One name.
And nowhere—nowhere—did Jesus say “baptize in My name only.” That’s a man-made shortcut, not a biblical command.
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- “The Apostles baptized in Jesus’ name, not titles.”
Let’s be real: the book of Acts isn’t laying out a ritual incantation—it’s describing what authority they baptized under. “In the name of Jesus” means by the authority of Jesus, not a replacement formula.
Here’s the punchline: if Acts 2:38 is the final word, then Jesus got it wrong in Matthew 28:19.
Are you ready to say the Son of God misquoted the baptism formula He commanded to all nations? Because that’s what your argument implies.
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- “Acts 2, 8, 10, 19—all baptized in Jesus’ name!”
Yes, and that’s because Jesus is the visible revelation of the Triune God. Baptism “in the name of Jesus” doesn’t contradict Matthew 28:19—it fulfills it.
The early church understood that baptizing into the name of Jesus was not a contradiction of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost—it was identifying Jesus as the full revelation of the Godhead (Col. 2:9).
But notice: none of those verses in Acts say, “Only say the name Jesus.” You’re reading into the text what you want to see—not what it actually says.
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- “The Catholic Church changed the formula.”
Brother, quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia doesn’t score you points here. I’m not defending Rome—I’m defending Jesus’ own words in Scripture.
Matthew 28:19 wasn’t written by a pope. It was spoken by the resurrected Christ.
So unless you’re suggesting the Apostles disobeyed Jesus and invented their own baptism formula, the logical conclusion is this: they weren’t creating a new formula—they were carrying out the one Jesus gave, under His name, in His authority.
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Final Truth Bomb:
The Trinity isn’t based on church tradition—it’s based on Scripture that refuses to be flattened.
Jesus said, “Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”
The early church baptized in the name of Jesus, fully understanding He is the Son, reveals the Father, and sends the Spirit.
Not contradiction. Completion.
One God.
Three Persons.
One name.
No compromise.
That is correct, Jesus did command them to baptize “IN THE NAME” that is exactly why the Apostles in the Bible did when they baptized in the singular NAME (not titles or roles) of Jesus Christ. Show me one scripture where the New Testament Church baptized in the titles of a triune, trinity three person God. I can show many where they baptized “In the NAME of Jesus Christ” I can supply many, many proofs of the catholic church changing the mode or formula of baptism. I am a Father, a son and a husband and I am merely a man. Do you think for a moment that because of the Bible’s mention of Father, Son and Holy Ghost that makes 3 a significant number of the Godhead? You either have ONE God or you a God that is “three persons” that is polytheism or three Gods
BrotherDavid, Jesus commanded baptism in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost—not “titles,” but three distinct Persons sharing one name, one essence. The apostles baptized in Jesus’ name because He is the Son, the full revelation of the Godhead—not because they were erasing the Father and Spirit.
Your “I’m a father, son, and husband” analogy fails—you can’t send yourself, pray to yourself, or glorify yourself. But in Scripture, the Son prays to the Father, the Father sends the Spirit, and the Spirit glorifies the Son.
One God. Three Persons. Not polytheism—pure Bible.
You either have one God and none beside Him or you have three (persons) Gods
BrotherDavid, that’s a false choice built on a false definition.
We have ONE God—not three gods, not one god in three costumes, but one Being revealed in three distinct Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Scripture says the Father is God (1 Cor. 8:6), the Son is God (John 1:1, Heb. 1:8), and the Spirit is God (Acts 5:3–4). And yet—“the LORD our God is ONE LORD” (Deut. 6:4).
Denying the Trinity doesn’t protect monotheism—it mangles the Word and turns divine relationship into divine illusion.
One God. Three Persons. Not three Gods—just the God of the Bible in full.
That is incorrect…One God. John 4:24
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24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
I never was real great in math but since God is a Spirit and the Holy Ghost is a Spirt (in fact, the Spirit of God) It’s either one Spirit (God) or it’s two Spirits (two Gods). The Son is when God’s Spirit dwelled within human flesh as the precious Lamb of God
BrotherDavid, you’re quoting John 4:24 like it’s a trump card, but it’s a description of God’s nature (Spirit)—not a denial of His triune personhood.
Yes, God is a Spirit. And yes, the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God. But here’s where your math fails: you’re treating personhood and essence like they’re the same thing.
The Bible says:
• There is one Spirit (Eph. 4:4)
• The Father is Spirit (John 6:27)
• The Son is begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
• The Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)
One God. One Spirit. Three Persons.
That’s not two Spirits, not two Gods—it’s biblical harmony, not modalist math.
Chapter and verse please
• The Son is begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
The Father and the Holy Ghost are ONE not two persons
These are your words: Of the three-persons- now one person is not a person, but an essence !!
[***you’re treating personhood and essence like they’re the same thing ]
Show ONE Bible verse that states God is three “persons” or three essences
Luke 1:35
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35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghthing.ost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matthew 1:18
Authorized (King James) Version
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
BrotherDavid, appreciate the fire—but let’s not confuse volume with victory. You’re demanding chapter and verse for terms like “three persons” or “essence,” yet you’re fine using terms like “incarnation,” “rapture,” and even “Bible”—which don’t appear in the text either. That’s selective standards, not sound exegesis.
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- “The Son is begotten of the Father” — Chapter & Verse?
John 1:14 (KJV):
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us… the glory as of the only begotten of the Father.”
That’s not my opinion. That’s your Bible. “Begotten” of the Father—not created, not formed—eternally generated in divine relationship.
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- “Show one verse that says God is three persons or three essences.”
Let’s break it down with what is in the Bible:
• Matthew 28:19 — One name, three distinct identities: Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Not roles. Not masks.
• John 14:16–17 — Jesus prays to the Father to send another Comforter. Not Himself. Not a force. A Person.
• 2 Corinthians 13:14 — Three Persons listed in perfect parallel. Grace, love, and communion.
• Hebrews 1:3 — The Son is the express image of the Father’s person (hypostasis in Greek—individual reality).
That’s not Trinitarian philosophy. That’s divine revelation.
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- Luke 1:35 and Matthew 1:18 prove what?
That the Holy Spirit caused the conception of Christ’s human nature—not that the Spirit is the Father.
Luke 1:35 says:
“The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee… therefore… he shall be called the Son of God.”
And yet Jesus constantly prayed to “My Father”—never “My Holy Ghost.”
So either Jesus didn’t know who His Father was, or your theology has a hole in the bottom.
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Final Shot of Truth:
You’re trying to shrink God’s triune glory into human categories. But the Bible paints a picture far bigger:
• One God
• One Spirit
• Three Persons
Not three gods. Not three essences. One divine essence, shared eternally by Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
You want exact wording? Scripture gives you exact function, relational language, and divine identity.
That’s more than enough—if you’re willing to receive it.
The very foundation of faith is ONE God…God’s people have always been ONE God.
If Jesus was a “second person” He would have told us. Instead, He confirmed the strict monotheism of the the Jews:
Mark 12:28-30
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28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Jesus is absolutely God…He is the only God, He is God alone !!
Revelation 1:8
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8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
What is God’s NAME ?
I mean His reveled name according to the New Testament.
BrotherDavid, you’re quoting all the right verses—but arriving at all the wrong conclusions. The foundation of the faith is indeed ONE God—Trinitarians don’t deny that. We affirm it with every breath. But Scripture never says that one God = one person. That’s your assumption, not God’s revelation.
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- Jesus affirmed monotheism—yes. But did He deny the Trinity? No.
Mark 12:29: “The Lord our God is one Lord.”
Amen. One God in essence. But this doesn’t rule out three Persons—it rules out three gods.
And right after affirming that Shema, Jesus:
• Prays to the Father (John 17:1),
• Promises to send another Comforter (John 14:16),
• And is baptized while the Father speaks and the Spirit descends (Matt. 3:16–17).
If that’s not distinction within unity, you’re not reading the text—you’re flattening it.
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- “Jesus is the only God—He’s God alone.”
He is fully God, yes. But not the only Person in the Godhead.
John 1:1 – “The Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
You can’t be with someone and be that same person—unless you’re reading with Oneness-colored glasses.
And let’s not forget:
• Hebrews 1:8 – “Unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God…” — The Father calls the Son “God.”
• Acts 5:3–4 – Lying to the Holy Ghost is lying to God.
You either let the Bible speak in its fullness, or you twist it to fit a man-made mold.
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- “What is God’s revealed name in the New Testament?”
The revealed name of the Son is Jesus.
But Jesus Himself speaks of:
• The Father who sent Him (John 5:30),
• The Spirit whom He sends (John 15:26),
• And the Name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost in which we are to baptize (Matt. 28:19).
One name, three Persons—not three gods, not three modes. One God, eternally triune.
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Final Word:
The Shema is true. The Alpha and Omega is Christ.
But the full revelation of God is not in a single verse—it’s in the whole counsel of Scripture.
You say Jesus never said He was the second person?
Well, He also never said, “I’m the Father and the Holy Ghost in a different outfit.”
But He did say:
• “The Father sent Me.”
• “I will send the Spirit.”
• “Glorify Me with the glory I had with You before the world was.”
That’s not one-man theater. That’s the Trinity on full display.
So ask again—what is God’s name?
It’s Jesus, the name of the Son,
who reveals the Father,
and sends the Spirit.
One God. Three Persons. Fully revealed. Eternally true.
Jesus is God… He was more more than a man !! Jesus is the Name of God / Jesus is God
You simply talk with intellectual gibberish…You have NOT shown the terminology of “persons” when the Bible is speaking of God.
BrotherDavid, saying “Jesus is God” is true—but stopping there is like reading the cover of the Bible and claiming you know the whole story.
You say I’m using “intellectual gibberish,” but what I’m doing is quoting the full scope of Scripture, not flattening it into Oneness slogans.
You demand the word “persons”? Fine. Here’s Hebrews 1:3 (KJV):
“Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person…”
The Greek word is hypostasis—used historically and biblically to describe individual reality or personhood. That’s not gibberish—that’s grammar inspired by God-breathed truth.
And while you’re dodging the word “person,” you’re perfectly fine using non-biblical terms like “Oneness” or concepts like “God is one Person”—which the Bible never says.
So yes—Jesus is God, but He also said:
• “The Father sent Me” (John 5:30)
• “I will send the Comforter” (John 16:7)
• “I and My Father are one”—not “I am the Father” (John 10:30)
That’s not gibberish. That’s the Triune God speaking for Himself.
One God. Three Persons. Scripture says it. You just don’t want to hear it.
I said “persons” not person…one is singular, the other plural. Jesus was speaking as man or according to the flesh. Jesus was the express image of the invisible God and he told Phillip- " When you’ve seen me you’ve seen the Father."
There is no multiple persons…only ONE . The trinity is a confusing made up and developed doctrine that in no way is God inspired. Just show me chapter and verse Sincere Seeker that God is referenced by the wording “persons” (plural) instead of an attempt to belittle me by explaining what hypostasis is… It is the un-Biblical teaching of the hypostatic union, like I don’t know. I was a trinitarian for many years. You know you cannot show explicit wording or teaching of a trinity, trinue or a triunity of God in three persons. These are additions …we are not to add to or take away from scripture. You never answered: What do think God’s revealed NAME is ? What is God’s personal NAME ?