Under God's definition, A being possessing life is completely different to that of a being biologically posessing life

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The Bible makes it crystal clear that God knows you before conception and brings you into being the way He designed you. He even took time to count every hair on your head. Psalm 139:13–16, Job 31:15, Jeremiah 1:4–5, Galatians 1:15–16, Isaiah 49:1, 5, Isaiah 44:2, Ephesians 1:4–5, 2 Timothy 1:9, just to name a few.

God is actively involved in creating every person; life is not an accident or a surprise to Him. Pre-existing purpose: Before a person takes their first breath, God already knows their identity, days, and calling. Sustaining Grace: Because God’s knowledge of us precedes our actions, His love and grace toward us are grounded in His character, not our perfection.

Be blessed, be a blessing

Peter

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You forget,God is all knowing. God Knowing what will happen next does not mean he makes those things happen next. God know all our choices we gonna make in practicing our freewill, do you then think God is making our choices we practice with our freewill be done? Also, can you show me specifically through scripture how God designs us and gives us the gift of life in the womb?

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No I believe in free will, but one has nothing to do with the other. As far as;

Either you are completely ignorant of who God is, or you are trolling. Let’s try these. I already gave you a slew of verses, which you seem happy to ignore.

“As you do not know the path of the wind, or how the body is formed in a mother’s womb, so you cannot understand the work of God, the Maker of all things.” Ecclesiastes 11:5

“The oracle of the word of the LORD concerning Israel: Thus declares the LORD, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:” Zechariah 12:1

“This is what the Lord says—he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you…”
“This is what the Lord says—your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the Lord, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself…” Isaiah 44:2 & 24

Be blessed,

Peter

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Non of these verses answer my questions.

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You’re not looking for answers. You’re looking for an excuse to kill baby humans.

To what would you liken an abortion? Is it like getting tonsils out? Or getting a cancerous tumor removed?

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It is not a valid question. This is why I say you are starting to show the signs of a troll.

Peter

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Sir, What makes a request for scriptural evidence invalid? This whole discussion is about my post, yet you say I’m trolling. How am i trolling in my own post?

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Clearly you did not notice my main title to my post.

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In my view, @kv100, life begins when the first cell divides into two cells with identical DNA. Therefore, because God gives that life, we need to protect it.

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I totally agree! “Life begins” @ conception! My heart and my Spirit knows that is true! God knew us BEFORE! GOD BLESS YOU!

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@kv100 said “Clearly you did not notice my main title to my post.”

Yeah I did, perhaps my question wasn’t as clearly directed as it should be.

You call the growing person in the uterus a “being”. But only in the biological sense, not having been enlivened with the “breath of life” from God, which you say happens around 6 months gestation, or maybe even later, but not earlier.

So it’s okay to have the person removed because it’s not a real live person until 6 months.

My question is, to what would you liken the operation and removal? More like having tonsils out, or more like a cancerous tumor? Because you would agree that the operation kills a biologically living person at the very least. If it wasn’t removed, it would continue to grow, and God would impart the breath of life around the sixth month and “give the gift of life” to the person.

Cancer bespeaks an uncontrolled growth that can really wreck your life, which a newborn baby pretty much does as well. Maybe that’s why a person would want to kill it before it wrecks too much of your life.

Tonsils have far less impact on a person in vast majority of cases, and we can give them up without a second thought. I doubt it ever goes through a person’s mind 10 years later “phew, I’m soooo glad I decided to get rid of those tonsils!” A person might be a lot more likely to say that about a cancer, or a baby human.

Of course there have been cases where the mother does later regret getting rid of the baby human. Whether it had been given the gift of life yet by God or not, the mothers sometimes regret killing their babies. You never see that with tonsils or cancer tumors.

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I do not believe he is looking for an answer. We have all explained it. God “Breathed the breath of life” into dust to make the first human. Then He created Eve, and all the physical make up to, and commanded that they

“And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

God created Man, Woman, Sex, and the ability to procreate; therefore, He IS the author of life, and conception is the beginning of life, although He knows us before we are conceived. It really is not that difficult to see unless you are either playing games where you think there is no real answer or defending sin.

Be blessed, be a blessing, Jesus is LORD!

Peter

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The connections you are asserting are being manifested. Show me with scripture, specifically? Where does is say in the bible God gives the gift of life at conception? and scripturally, how does he do that? Sir, Just answer my questions and please stop gaslighting by saying I’m trolling and playing whatever games.

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You are. You think you have an unanswerable question, yet I and others have answered it. You do not like the answer because it goes against your narrative. It’s like saying, " Show me in the Word the Word Trinity." It does not have the exact word, yet it explains it plain and simple for those who have eyes to see, ears to hear, and a spirit to receive the truth. I have already given you the verses that prove God is the author of life, before, during, the whom, and after. You just do not like it.

Be blessed.

Peter

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I’m not asking for linguistics i’m asking for a fundamental mechanism in that when it happens and how it happens, specifically God giving the gift of life, using specifically scripture. You have not done that.

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You see, you define “life” exclusively as the moment of first breath, and then reject any scripture that contradicts you as “linguistics,” and then use modern science only when it conveniently aligns with you pre-determined conclusion. This will be the last time I try to help educate you on this matter.

Your argument relies on taking a one-time act of special creation, God making Adam from topsoil in Genesis 2:7, and forcing it onto embryonic biology, while arbitrarily switching definitions whenever it suits your theory.

Adam was created from dirt, not a womb. If Genesis 2:7 is the literal blueprint for human development, where is the dirt phase in the womb? You cannot claim Genesis 2:7 is a mechanical blueprint for womb development when a fetus is not made from dust.

Job explicitly contradicts your timeline. In Job 10:8–12, Job states that while God was knitting his bones, flesh, and sinews together in the womb, God “gave me life and showed me kindness.” Scripture explicitly states that life was granted during the physical knitting process in the womb, long before birth.

Your science contradicts your own definition of “breath.” In Genesis 2:7, the “breath of life” enters the nostrils. A 24-week fetus does not breathe air through its nostrils; oxygen is delivered through the umbilical cord. If “breath” means literal respiration, your theory demands birth. If “breath” means neurological development at 24 weeks, you are no longer using Genesis 2:7. You are inventing a hybrid definition that exists nowhere in the Bible.

The Bible nowhere teaches that a fetus is a dead shell until 24 weeks. Scripture repeatedly views human life in the womb as a continuous, living creation of God under His care from its earliest stages. If you cannot see that, then I doubt anyone will be able to help you.

Peter

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But I asked You how does God give the gift of life at conception using scripture? I know God gives life while in the the womb. But you made the claim it happens at conception so hence i asked you what i asked you. The verse in Job doesnt say anything about how and when God gives the gift of life at conception. I’m just trying to understand how did you get there? Also making the assurtion that God is bound by biology and science makes no sense, he is not subject to things he created or bound to them. Also God literally forming us in the womb makes no sense, given he gave us the ability to biologically form ourselves in the womb. God gave us that ability to do it, so God can claim he is doing it because without that ability we wouldnt be able to do it. I’m just sharing what logically makes sense, not saying that is absolute truth because i’m not supporting it with scripture, just sharing. Did i ever make the claim that what i shared in my post is beyond dispute? Cause you treating me/it as such.

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Please address this! 1 Corinthians 2:11 says “For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.” this gives us the understanding that the spirit is present with the capacity/ability for thoughts are present. Biologically in the womb, to even have the capacity for thoughts the necessary cognitive constructs emerge in the brain around 6 months(24 weeks). So tell me how can then the spirit be present before even the capacity for thoughts are present to the being in the womb prior to the physical constructs not yet formed/emerged in the brain? Also in Job 32:8 it says “But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.” Notice what it says, the SPIRIT IN a PERSON! and goes on to speak of the breath of life to be what gives understanding. To have the ability even the capacity for understanding the necessary cognitive construct have to biologically develop in the brain which form around 6 month(24 weeks) in the womb. how then is the breath of life present in the being in the womb to give capacity/ability for understanding prior to the necessary cognitive constructs not yet having even formed in the womb prior to 24 weeks(6 month)? If this is still confusing for you, I have 9 MORE VERSES to make the logic undeniable.

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@kv100

You began this thread with sharing your personal point of view, and I tried to understand it. We were discussing it, and then you just stopped responding to me. What happened?

You asked (inferred you wanted to know) why, or how other Christians came to believe that God’s kind of life begins at conception, since you believe it begins around 24 weeks of development. I conceded that the Bible does not say that God’s “life” begins at conception explicitly, or in exactly those words, but God does say many things that lead us to understand His way of creating His people and how He views the unborn. The most obvious way we know how God views the unborn human developing in the womb is seen by how He lovingly speaks of them, adding no point along that path of development where He begins to view them differently. It is logical that if there were a point where God to begin to view a developing human differently, He would surely tell us what that point is, but He doesn’t. He speaks of all unborn in the same way, and makes no distinction about how far along the path of development they are.

For example:

“And the Angel of the LORD said to her: "Behold, you are with child, and you shall bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has heard your affliction.” (Genesis 16:11)

"If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman’s husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.” (Exodus 21:22-25)

“So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife; and when he went in to her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bore a son.” (Ruth 4:13)

“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!” (Matthew 24:19)

“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly.” Matthew 1:18-19)

See, no mention of a point of development that God’s opinion changes, or where the value of the fetus changes. So Most Christians take God’s word at face value. According to God’s word,if a woman is pregnant, that pregnancy deserves to be protected.

I am trying to understand your point of view. I understand you accept man’s current “clinical definition of viability” as the point you assume God implants His “breath of life” into that fetus. Clinical viability is the point modern medicine can hope to maintain the biological life of the fetus outside the womb. I’m sure you concede that the point of “clinical viability” has been changing over the past 100 years, and will likely continue to change, right? If so, you must see that by your point of view, God is subject to the point that mankind can keep a fetus alive. Do you see that?

I’d like to hear from you again.

KP

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Let me explain myself. why i made the post i made as is. so i was not experiencing interaction on social media like twitter because i was responding on treads and making post that were to fully formed and extencively supported. My brother from his advise suggested i build small limited things, maybe then people can respond and we build to something bigger in convo. The post i made i can literally support it with 11 other verses. I ususally build big thing because i believe in God to a point of certainty. I had to learn and aquire many things to get to that point. I learn many ways to argue to prove God exist, Show using the bible why God had to exist as all perfect, complete, all knowing, all powerful, ever existing, possessing Love, embodiment of Order himself etc amongst many other things. When I built this post limited i eventually regretted it. I 'll never do that again It felt like i was going against myself, to me it was irrational and illogical and i normally vomit out irrational and illogical things. I tried something from advice and it was clealy a mistake.