When did a Triune God make Hellfire?

Bob Estey said: “I think hellfire is the circumstances we create in our lives when we sin.”

When we die we are in Sheol, a place of the spirit not the physical.

How does one feel pain or thirst without a body?

These are metaphors to my mind, not literal descriptions.

The spiritual torments in the “after life” I think are more conceptual than material.

But we will I think suffer from a bad conscience, eventually if not immediately.

And we will suffer from those material desires we are in habit of enjoying and cannot.

All my American friends are not really thinking about these way they will adapt to the spiritual world.

If you rob a bank and find yourself in prison for 25 years, you might wish you hadn’t robbed that bank.

There are three main ways of looking at it. In many traditional theological views, the soul isn’t just a ghost-like vapor; it is the absolute blueprint of who you are, including your capacity to experience reality.

We are made in the Image of God. Our soul, mind, will, and emotions, our flesh, and our spirit. The mind and soul are what actually process pain and desire, while the body is just the instrument. Think of phantom limb syndrome, where a person feels intense pain or an itch in a limb that has been amputated. The physical nerve endings are gone, but the mind’s internal map of that experience is completely intact.

Often, when people ask this, they are picturing a purely “disembodied” eternity. However, in orthodox Christian theology (as well as Islamic theology), the ultimate state of humanity isn’t just a floating soul; it involves a physical resurrection.

According to classical theology, at the final judgment, everyone is raised with a physical body. In this view, the question answers itself: the experiences of pain or thirst would be felt through a physical, resurrected framework, rather than a purely spiritual one.

For a more philosophical or allegorical perspective, thinkers like C.S. Lewis argued that physical terms like “fire,” “worms,” and “thirst” are the closest human language can get to describing a profound, non-physical reality.

“Thirst” in this context isn’t about dry throat tissue; it’s the agonizing, unquenchable desire for peace, love, or the divine, completely cut off from the source. If you’ve ever experienced intense grief, heartbreak, or a panic attack, you know that psychological or spiritual agony can feel heavy, suffocating, and terrifyingly real, sometimes even outlasting physical pain.

In short, it either comes down to the soul retaining its capacity to perceive, a literal physical resurrection later on, or the idea that physical “thirst” is a metaphor for a much deeper, spiritual starvation. I personally see both the soul and the resurrected body.

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Peter

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What is horrifying is your arrogance in you judging your creators holiness and justice.

Jesus clearly taught that those who do not believe in him are condemned.

What verse do you refer to?

Context is everything in reading Scripture.

While sin certainly creates suffering and destructive consequences in this life, the Bible presents hell as more than just the circumstances we create. Jesus spoke of hell as a real, future judgment after death (e.g., Matthew 25:46 and Mark 9:43–48). If hell were only a state of mind or the natural consequences of sin, those warnings about final judgment would lose much of their meaning. Sin may bring a foretaste of hell now, but Scripture distinguishes between the present consequences of sin and the final judgment to come."

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Not sure who you are asking, but if you are asking for scripture of Jesus talking about the condemned? John 3:17-19, Matthew 25:41-46, Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 13:40-42, John 5:28-29, Revelation 20:11-15, Just to name a few.
Peter

First, welcome @Alisa_Smith. Glad you are here. I will admit, growing up, I was taught Hell was a real place of eternal torment. Artists and Hollywood did their part in painting that picture. Some teach that this is a fact. Then I heard the teaching of total annihilation. Annihilationism argues that the ultimate fate of the wicked is destruction. A literal end to existence, rather than eternal preservation in a state of torture. Proponents argue this view is actually more aligned with the literal meaning of primary biblical terms.

The Meaning of “Destruction” and “Perishing”: Annihilationists point out that the New Testament consistently uses verbs like apollumi (to destroy, ruin, or lose completely) and nouns like olethros (destruction). For instance, Matthew 10:28 warns to fear God who can “destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).” They argue that “destroy” means to bring to an end, not to preserve eternally in pain. John 3:16 contrasts eternal life not with eternal torment, but with “perishing.”

In the ancient world, the primary function of fire was to consume and obliterate, not to keep something alive forever. Annihilationists argue that “unquenchable fire” means a fire that cannot be put out until it has completely consumed its fuel. They point to Jude 7, which says Sodom and Gomorrah suffered the punishment of “eternal fire.” Yet those cities are not still burning; their destruction was permanent and final.

From this perspective, phrases like “eternal punishment” or “eternal judgment” in Hebrews 6:2 mean a punishment that is permanent in its result (extinction of being), not a process that goes on forever. After all, how could a loving God condemn someone to everlasting torture?

I will admit I liked this. It is easier to hear than eternal suffering with no end. When I picture people I know, deceased family members, friends, whoever I know passed and did not have Jesus, The last thing I want toi imagine is them sufferening. Then some suggest that just because the lake burns forever, it does not mean what goes in it does. Like a furnace, it is burning and ready to consume what is thrown into it. But does scripture really allow this?

The strongest semantic argument comes from verses like Matthew 25:46: “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Some argue that the same Greek word, aionios, modifies both “punishment” and “life.” If “eternal life” means unending existence, then “eternal punishment” must logically mean unending conscious experience.

Passages like Mark 9:43–48 describe hell (Gehenna) as a place where “their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” Additionally, Revelation 14:11 states that “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night.” This view suggests that sin against an infinite God incurs an infinite penalty, requiring an unending duration of justice.

If forced to look at which is more likely from a purely historical-critical standpoint, understanding how 1st-century Jews standardly viewed the afterlife, total annihilation (Conditional Immortality) has gained an immense amount of ground among modern scholars.

In the ancient Jewish worldview, immortality was not something inherent to the human soul; it was a gift given only to the righteous (hence, “conditional” immortality). The idea of an inherently immortal soul that must exist somewhere forever is actually a Greek philosophical concept (largely from Plato) that bled into early church theology centuries later.

Without the assumption that the soul is naturally immortal, the standard biblical descriptions of “burning up like chaff,” “perishing,” and experiencing the “second death” naturally lean toward a final, absolute end of existence. I said all this to say, I do not know. What I do know is we do not have to find out firsthand. Jesus already paid that price.
Peter

I’ll answer your question, @TheQuestion. No, he, the one God in three Persons, did not “make Hellfire” because he is a Sadist. His perfect justice judges humans who have rebelled against him, their Creator. He gives them what they lived their whole lives for, separation from his powerful, loving presence. As far as I am concerned, the hell of such people’s present lives is accentuated by the fact of the absence of all the idols that such people want in order to have security and happiness. Sadly, they bring their own condemnation on themselves; God just lets them have their own way.