When does sin become sin

I have a question that I would like your opinion on. My apologies if it’s already been covered earlier. Jesus said, “But I tell you, anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Adultery in sin.

James, who gives much practical advice, describes temptation in 1:14-15. He says, “But each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own desire and enticed. Then, after desire is conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.” The word for conceive is ‘sool-lam-ban’-o’ and I understand it to mean when your desire and your response to that desire meet up .

So my question is when does sin become sin? Is it having the thought as Jesus seems to imply or does it begin with the thought but becomes sin when we act on it?

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Excellent question, @Bestill. I’ll step back here and give the other members room to work through the exegetical meaning.

J.

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Thank you Johann. It’s a bit of a mystery to me and I’m looking forward to a better understanding. Perhaps another verse that fits in here concerning temptation has to do with Jesus Himself. “For we do not have a High Priest who can’t sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15

So Jesus was tempted, but didn’t sin. Did that mean He had the thoughts but didn’t act on them? Confusing.

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Another excellent question sorella…COULD Yeshua kohen gadol shelanu entertain thoughts of sin?

My Bible says an emphatic “NO!”…others, an emphatic “YES!”

Heb 4:14 Therefore, als (since) we have a great Kohen Gadol who has made his passing through Shomayim, [Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach] Yehoshua HaBen HaElohim, let us hold firmly to the hoda’ah (confession) of the hachrazah (proclamation) of our [Orthodox Jewish] Emunah.
Heb 4:15 For we do not have a Kohen Gadol who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in every way as we are, yet without chet.
Heb 4:16 Therefore, let us approach with bitachon the Kisse of Chesed, that we may receive rachamim and may find chesed for timely ezrah (aid).
OJB.

Once again I’ll pass and allow other members to exegete
the Scriptures Bestill.

J.

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Hello @Bestill

Yes. I think you answered your own question.

“And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” Mark 7:20-23

Starts with “evil thoughts.” Leads to sin.

“Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.” James 1:15

This is why Jesus warns us about our thoughts.

“But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5:28

There is nothing fully sinful about thoughts, desires, cravings, whatever you want to call them. However, giving attention to the thought can lead to desire and action. Then it becomes sin.

Peter

When does sin become sin

When it causes harm. The Old Testament law was focused on the harm caused to others. Jesus described further harm than just with actions. One’s unrestrained anger or lust can harm himself.

Because Israel was so focused on the law, those who read the bible tend to think of sin as law breaking. Since most people do not think of themselves as law breakers, they often fail to see into themselves that which falls short.

We are all born helpless, ignorant, and selfish. It is selfishness (to varying degrees) that define the human condition apart from God. Some selfishness is so great as to lead to conventional sin.

When someone becomes a Christian, they have the possibility to overcome the selfishness of the flesh and walk in the selfless love of the Spirit.

2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

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The question of when sin becomes sin must be answered by the grammar of the text itself, not by later theological shortcuts, psychological theories, or devotional generalizations. Scripture consistently distinguishes between perception, temptation, desire, and sin, and the Greek verbs are precise about where moral culpability actually begins.

In ~Matthew 5:27–28 Berean Literal Bible, Jesus says that the one looking at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart.

The key is the present active participle blepōn, which denotes an ongoing, intentional act of looking, not a momentary glance or involuntary perception. This participle is grammatically linked to the infinitive pros to epithymēsai, which expresses purpose, meaning the look is directed toward desire, not merely followed by it.

The sin does not occur at visual awareness, but at the point where the will aims the gaze toward cultivating desire. Jesus is locating adultery at the level of volitional intent, not redefining temptation as sin, but exposing where the commandment is already violated internally.

James makes this progression explicit in ~James 1:14–15 Berean Literal Bible, where desire, temptation, and sin are clearly separated stages rather than synonyms. Each person is tempted when drawn away and enticed by his own desire, but desire itself is not yet sin.

The decisive term is the aorist active participle syllabousa, “having conceived,” which describes a completed act, not a gradual feeling. Conception requires consent. Only after desire is embraced does it give birth to sin, and only after sin matures does it bring forth death. Grammatically, sin begins at conception, not at temptation.

Paul reinforces this distinction in ~Romans 7:7–8 Berean Literal Bible by identifying coveting as sin only when the commandment is knowingly transgressed. Desire is present, but sin “produces” coveting through conscious engagement with the prohibition. The verb katergazetai denotes active production, not passive experience, showing that sin requires participation of the will, not merely the presence of internal impulse.

Hebrews confirms the boundary by stating in ~Hebrews 4:15 Berean Literal Bible that Jesus was tempted in every way like us, yet without sin.

This statement is impossible unless temptation and sin are categorically distinct. Christ experienced the full pressure of desire and testing, but never crossed into consent, proving that temptation alone does not constitute sin.

Taken together, the grammar leads to a consistent conclusion. Perception is not sin. Temptation is not sin. Desire itself is not sin. Sin becomes sin at the moment the will consents, aligns, and directs desire toward what God has forbidden. James calls this conception. Jesus identifies it as heart level transgression. Scripture places moral guilt not at the level of involuntary thought, but at the point where desire is chosen and entertained, even if no outward act ever follows.

The lust (hē epithumia). Note article, the lust (Jas_1:14) which one has.
When it hath conceived (sullabousa). Second aorist active participle of sullambanō, old word to grasp together, in hostile sense (Act_26:21), in friendly sense of help (Php_4:3), in technical sense of a woman taking a man’s seed in conception (Luk_1:24), here also of lust (as a woman), “having conceived.” The will yields to lust and conception takes place.
Beareth sin (tiktei hamartian). Present active indicative of tiktō to bring forth as a mother or fruit from seed, old verb, often in N.T., here only in James. Sin is the union of the will with lust. See Psa_7:14 for this same metaphor.
The sin (hē hamartia). The article refers to hamartia just mentioned.
When it is full-grown (apotelestheisa). First aorist passive participle of apoteleō, old compound verb with perfective use of apo, in N.T. only here and Luk_13:32. It does not mean “full-grown” like teleioō, but rather completeness of parts or functions as opposed to rudimentary state (Hort) like the winged insect in contrast with the chrysalis or grub (Plato). The sin at birth is fully equipped for its career (Rom_6:6; Col_3:5).
Bringeth forth death (apokuei thanaton). Late compound (kueō to be pregnant, perfective use of apo) to give birth to, of animals and women, for normal birth (papyrus example) and abnormal birth (Hort). A medical word (Ropes) rather than a literary one like tiktō. The child of lust is sin, of sin is death, powerful figure of abortion. The child is dead at birth. For death as the fruit of sin see Rom_6:21-23; Rom_8:6. “The birth of death follows of necessity when one sin is fully formed” (Hort).
A.T. Robertson.

We are currently the most divided faith group on earth and there isn’t a close second, name any other religion or faith group with more than two or three factions.
We have thousands of denominations and ministries each believing their theology and methodology is superior. The saddest part of this is that our savior was crucified to end our divisions, commands to be united, and says we will impact the world when we become one.
We need to stop thinking that our primary duty towards our fellow believers is to critique them.
it’s our primary duties to love them.

There is a reason people are not anxious to join our family.

J.

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I think I get it. Your answers were very helpful. What stood out for me is this:

So sin happens when we give attention to the thought. Not just attention, but entertaining it as well. Whether we act on that thought or not, it can still be sin if we’re engaged to it. That’s why Jesus could say that lusting after a woman was sinful. There might not have been an opportunity to carry that lust further (action), but the fact that he was engaged in lusting made him just as guilty.

I think my idea of the word ‘conceived’ might be off. To me it meant a thought attached to an action. In other words, that thought had to be carried out before it became sin. I think now that conception can happen in the mind without a corresponding action. It’s when you deliberately choose to indulge that sinful thought. You’re married to it in a way. Yes, I get it now. That’s why Paul said to bring our thoughts to the obedience of Christ. As Christians we can do that. We can take them captive and with time and repetition, that would become easier and perhaps even automatic.

We’re thinking all the time and much of this background thinking goes on unaware. Tell me everything you thought about yesterday and I’m sure you couldn’t do it. It’s different for a child of God in that we have His word and we have the Spirit. We are aware when our thoughts are sinful and we have the choice to take them captive. It’s like we have an internal alarm system and we need to pay attention to it.

Very grateful!

Thank you!

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It becomes sin when it is desire. It is the depraved appetites of the flesh–man curved inward upon himself–that is the genesis of sin. So even a thought, an impulse, a feeling can be sinful.

A common penitential prayer opens up:
“Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against You in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved You with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves.”

Here we confess that it is not merely our outward sinful acts and words, but our inward sinful thoughts as well; not in only what we have done that is in error, but also in what we have failed to do.

The depth of sin in us is immense, so great is it that we cannot pull ourselves apart or away from it. It is an abyss that we are lost within; and it is an abyss within our own selves. If we were to dig and dig and dig deeper and deeper within ourselves, to our innermost part–we would discover that the deeper we excavate, the more dark and rotten it is. Sin arises from the deepest parts of ourselves, it is not superficial, but substantial. And so, also, our salvation is not superficial–God does not put a band-aid on a paper cut; He performs open heart surgery.

Mere temptation is not sin. But the desire to sin is sin. If someone comes up to me and say, “Hey, you should go push over that little old lady” someone telling me to do that doesn’t constitute me sinning; but if I were to give in–even to feel the impulse–that would be sin. It certainly is better to have a mere sinful thought, or a momentary sinful impulse than to act on the sin–but the presence of that feeling, of the thought, of the desire that arises–that shows us that we are indeed sinful, deeply and tragically sinful.

Jesus was tempted, but did not sin. Jesus didn’t hear the devil’s words in the wilderness and go, “Well, you know, maybe worshiping you wouldn’t be so bad” even for a moment. Instead Jesus confronts the devil and throws the devil’s words in his face and rebuking him with “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him alone shall you serve”. Jesus was in all ways human, but without sin. He was finite in His humanity, weak and mortal–but He never wavered, He never gave in, He was wholly without sin. He, alone, is the one human being to walk this planet who was without the deep scar of sin running deep into the core of what He is. And so He is able to show us what it looks like to be truly human, to be a human who walks in true communion with God. He is, of course, Himself God; but He is also man–and as man becomes our Example, the evidence of what it means to be truly and really human. To bear God’s Image.