Which Old Testament Laws Are Now Obsolete?

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It does!. It has everything to do with it. There is no getting around it.

KP

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Well, I don’t see how it does. Please explain.

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I know; I understand. I’m sorry about that.

For you (as with all men), answering the question I presented you with is your path to understanding or recieving the answer to your question:

It cannot be avoided.

KP

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And yet you keep avoiding it.

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OK. I understand.
If you do ever want to consider the question I posed to you, let me know.

KP

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And if you ever decide to answer the question I posed to you, let me know.
Oh, and if you want me to consider the irrelevant questions that you asked in your reply to my question you can start a new topic.

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Scripture teaches that Christ was “forsaken” (ἐγκαταλείπω / עָזַב).
This refers to a real, experienced abandonment under divine judgment as sin-bearer.
However, it is not an ontological break within the Trinity, but a judicial and experiential reality within the economy of redemption.

2 cents.

J.

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The passage you’ve cited (Hebrews 8:6–13) is drawing directly from Jeremiah 31:31–34, and the key line is:

“new covenant” This passage in Jeremiah (cf. Jer_31:31-34) is the only mention in the OT of a “new” covenant, but it is described in Eze_36:22-38. This would have been very shocking to Jews.

“I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.”

The question is: what “laws” (νόμους / nomous) are in view?

1. Not a different law, but the same law internalized

Hebrews 8:10 (ESV)

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

“laws” = νόμους (nomous) - plural of νόμος (nomos)

This is not introducing a brand-new ethical standard. Rather, it is the same moral will of God, now internalized rather than merely external.

Compare…

Deuteronomy 6:6 (ESV)

“And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart.”

The promise in Jeremiah/Hebrews is the fulfillment of what the Old Covenant could command but not produce.

  1. The problem was not the law, but the people

The text itself is explicit:

Hebrews 8:8 (ESV)

“For he finds fault with them when he says…”

Not the law per se, but the people’s inability:

Romans 8:3–4 (ESV)

“For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do… in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us…”

So the “laws” are not defective; the issue was human inability (σάρξ / flesh).

J.

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@MrE, in spite of the fact that Jesus quotes the most important two laws, love for God first and our neighbors second, you still think that “all of them” can be disobeyed? Do you want to revise or explain you brief post?

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Confidential to Bro @Bruce_Leiter
MrE (pronounced Mystery) has not been active on this forum for over a year, so I doubt you will get much of a response from him.

KP

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Thanks for your heads-up, KPuff.