Will Jesus return in 2033?

Theology
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Pay attention to the context.

"This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."

Peter is addressing his readers concerning those “scoffers” who are making fun of the Christian hope that Jesus will return. Peter reminds his readers that God’s way of doing things, His way of reckoning timing, isn’t at all how humans do it.

Why does Peter bring up how a day is as a thousand years or a thousand years is as a day? Because of this: “The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you”

God isn’t slow, He’s doing things His way. Don’t be concerned with time, God will keep His word–the same word that He created all things, and that same word which declares that–in the end–all things will reach their end. In the here and now, trust in what God has promised.

Seeing as these things are true, Peter asks, “What sort of people ought you to be?” To live lives of holiness and godliness, waiting and hastening the coming day of God. Be faithful.

That’s why Peter brings it up.

I’m not a Chiliast. I don’t interpret the Revelation literally. I interpret the Revelation according to its historic and literary context.

When 2033 comes and goes, and what you predict has not come to pass. The question will be for you what it has been for everyone who has made a prediction before you: Will you repent, or will you “do the math again”?

Are you familiar with William Miller? Harold Camping? Hal Lindsay? Perhaps you should learn from their mistakes, and not repeat them.

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I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of the heavens and the earth.
And in His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. Who suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, buried, and dead. He descended into death, and on the third day rose again, in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven, from whence He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Christian Church. The Forgiveness of sins. I look forward to the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting. Amen.

The empty threats of false prophets are worthless. Jesus Christ is Lord.

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Amen. Anytime anyone, I do not care who, what, where, how, or even why, anyone says “The end is here.” I just shrug and move on. Why? This is the reason. Oh there have been so many.

William Miller: “The Great Disappointment” (1844), Montanus: The New Jerusalem in Phrygia (2nd Century AD), Joanna Southcott: The Virgin Birth of Shiloh (1814), Herbert W. Armstrong: The 1972/1975 Tribulation, David Berg (Children of God): The 1993 Holocaust, just to name a few. Then you have the loons like David Koresh,Jim Jones, and Marshall Applewhite.

Peter

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Amen amen amen and AMEN!

Peter

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Very familiar with all of them. They bought into the devils lie about what the last days really mean and who the Antichrist will be. I believe God gave Adam a 6 day work week, which by Peter’s definition is six thousand years. Our last 2 days began when Jesus left the earth at age 33. 2033 will make 2 days or 2 thousand years since Jesus left, and 6 thousand years since Adam. You’re a good writer, but you are not disproving the facts. The math still works. 7 years before 2033 on the feast of trumpets, the rapture will happen. I’m fine with be found wrong, but I will be like the wise virgins who understand when to expect the groom when it happens this September.

Jesus himself told us that if the good man of the house had known when the thief was coming, he would have been prepared. Sounds to me like meant for us to figure it out. By the way, if I haven’t already said so, the Antichrist will be Muslim.

Watchman Jim

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They were all drinking Satan’s koolaid.

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Here’s two problems with your math:

  1. You are assuming Jesus was 33. The Bible doesn’t say how old Jesus was. The Gospel of Luke says that Jesus began His public ministry around the age of 30. It doesn’t say He was exactly 30. Further, the Bible does not say how many years Jesus’ public ministry lasted. We usually talk about Jesus being 33 because Luke says He was “about 30” when He began His public ministry, and in the Gospel of John we see three Passovers mentioned–so 33 is a conjecture. But it’s not a certain fact.

  2. Jesus wasn’t born in 1 AD. The monk Dionysius Exiguus’s calculations weren’t 100% accurate. The Lord was born sometime between 6 and 2 BC, with a general safe guess of 4 BC. Since it is impossible to know the precise birth year, even if we knew with certainty how old the Lord was and that He was 33, we would still wouldn’t know the exact year of His death, resurrection, and ascension.

Your foundational math is based on faulty premises.

When the Rapture doesn’t happen in September, because the doctrine of the Rapture is false. You say you are fine being found wrong. But are you willing be as bold in your apology and repentance over being wrong as you are in falsely mocking and condemning everyone calling you wrong right now? Or are you going to sneak into the shadows only to return after you get your “math right”? Will you have the courage to repent and publicly admit that you were wrong, or will you be a coward who hides away in shame?

If I had a dollar for every person who makes predictions about the end that I’ve met, I’d have a lot of money. And the one thing they all have in common is that once their prediction fails, they hide. Sometimes they resurface years later with a new prediction, and hope nobody remembers who they were. But the common characteristic I see in false prophets is this: they are cowardly and unrepentant, they therefore demonstrate they lack basic character, and have no moral scruples. It would be better to be found a liar and repent, for God welcomes the repentant; than to hide away in shame without repentance and continue in the same error over and over.

God wants faithful servants.

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First of all I know that I am right. No one should mind being wrong about anything, I’m human. Jewish tradition requires that rabbis be age thirty or older to be a ministry. So God Jesus get baptized at age 30. The Bible makes it clear that Jesus celebrated three passovers with his followers. That makes him 33. The year he went to the cross would have his 34th birthday had he reached it. Jesus was born on the feast of Tabernacle. Therefore; he had his 33 birthday the year before he went to the cross. You are still not proving me wrong.

I have a question that matters in this world we live in: revelation tells us that the world in the last days just before the end will be drunk on the wine of her (the whore) fornication. Do you know what this means? What is this wine?

Watchman Jim

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Uh, no. This is why we have this (Holding up the Bible)

Peter

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No offense, but this reads like a “23” theory.

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When I searched this question, the results I got from multiple sources state that there is no official age requirement in order to take smicha (ordination to become a rabbi), rather than an age requirement, the individual must demonstrate knowledge and ability.

Where are you getting your information from?

No. Read the text again. St. Luke records that Jesus was “about 30”. He may have been 30, or He may have been a little under or a little over 30. He could have been 28 or 29, or 31 or 32, or some other unknown amount of years before or after 30. It is an approximation, not a precise number.

In common practice we usually say Jesus was 30, but St. Luke’s wording is clearly more ambiguous, and so we cannot reach, dogmatically, a precise age. Since St. Luke says “about 30” we round it to 30 for practical reasons.

No. The Gospel of John lists at least three Passovers. So the Lord’s earthly ministry covered at least three Passovers. The minimum amount of time would be, then, about three years. There’s nothing that says these were the only Passovers Jesus and His followers celebrated, so we are presented not with a hard number, but a minimum–at least three Passovers. It could have been more. We have no way of knowing.

The Bible makes no such claim. Indeed, the evidence provided in Holy Scripture would contradict it. The Feast of Tabernacles, also known as Sukkot, was one of the three mandatory pilgrim festivals in the Torah. As such it was required for Jewish men to go and make an offering at the Temple (originally the Tabernacle). This is the same reason why the population in Jerusalem exploded during Passover and Pentecost (recall the large number of pilgrims who spoken diverse languages as mentioned in the 2nd chapter acts, highlighting the miracle of tongues that occurred). However according to both St. Matthew and St. Luke the Lord Jesus wasn’t born in Jerusalem, but in Bethlehem. St. Luke tells us that the Roman census required Joseph to return to his ancestral home–Bethlehem. And so he and Mary went to Bethlehem, where Jesus was born.

Unless St. Joseph was capable of being in two places at once, a Sukkot birth for the Lord Jesus is almost certainly impossible.

I get the desire to want to locate the Lord’s birth on one of the Jewish festivals, but there is precisely zero biblical evidence to do so. Some important events did coincide with Jewish festivals, such as the fulfillment of Passover with the Lord’s own Passion and death; and Shavu’ot/Pentecost being the occasion of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in accordance with both the words of the Prophet Joel and Christ’s own word and promise.

But the Sukkot birth theory lacks biblical support, and is actually contradicted by biblical evidence.

The Whore in question was a city, as per the words mentioned by the angel accompanying St. John through his visions. Specifically a city with seven hills, i.e. Rome. Babylon is symbolic of Rome, which persecuted the ancient Church (e.g. under Nero) and thus was intoxicated on the blood of the holy saints and martyrs.

There is nothing in the text about it being “just before the end”; this is an ancient apocalyptic condemnation against Rome in its persecution of the Church, and a reminder from God through John’s visions of the victory of Christ over all the powers and principalities of this fallen world. The Revelation locates the true enemy of the Church as the dragon (the devil) who empowers the worldly principalities in their violence against the Church (the dragon giving life to the image of the Beast) and death. Christ, therefore, is shown early on as the One who has defeated death and hell, the power of the dragon is broken before the Lamb who is seated on the Throne. Therefore all the raging powers of this world, inspired as they are by the defeated dragon, are nothing before Him, and thus they shall all fall before His own word of judgment. So He is shown, on the Last Day, coming to judge, with a sword proceeding out of His mouth–His word of judgment against all powers. For as we recall, Christ shall come again to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom is everlasting.

I’m sure you have your own opinion. I’m not particularly interested in what it is.

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Please get it right, the only people who are scared of your message of an approximate date for Jesus’s return are those to gullible to understand that when Jesus said ’ No One knows the hour of his return ’ it meant that No One knows when He will return.

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Jesus told his followers and us that if someone is not willing to to except or hear your message, the wipe the dust off your feet and move on. I hope you make it in.

Watchman Jim

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You don’t seem willing to accept our message.

I guess that means we’re at a stand off.

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A fool who is unwilling to hear truth or correction shall stay in his foolish ways. We really are trying to help you @watchman_jim. What you are trying to pass off here is interesting, yet the opposite of what the Bible actually says.

Peter

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Tell the truth. You’re not trying to help me, you’re trying to stop me.

Watchman Jim

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Maybe sometimes when it seems someone is trying to stop you, it IS the way they are trying to help you. Think about it.

Be blessed,

Peter

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Now you’re just lying to yourself. I told information about facts are seen from the Jewish perspective and you ignored it. That tells me you know nothing about what I know. You can’t help me if you don’t know what I know. I don’t go to medical technicians for help when I need a doctor.

Watchman Jim

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Jesus is in each one of us right now.

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Or? You do not know that what you think you know is fact is indeed incorrect. Never be so prideful that you are not willing to listen.

Peter