I think that all leaders act to the detriment of their people. If we recall the Exodus, the Israelites feared God and asked for a mediator or ruler. As it is said, a man cannot govern another man without causing harm. We Christians await the coming of Jesus Christ, who will rule over us. Amen!
Hi Farid-- congrats on figuring out the Crosswalk posting system. It can be a little confusing in the beginning and doesn’t operate the way most forums do in terms of how the conversations display. I personally don’t like it very much and don’t understand why they don’t make replies flow within the threads as responses in a chronological order. I hate it when email systems “group” conversations as well, but that’s an easy fix that a user can choose for themselves-- too bad we can’t do that here also.
It could be argued that while Moses led the people out of captivity in Egypt (the Exodus) he also very much led the people astray. Moses was the one who set the whole system up-- a quasi-kingship of sorts, a royal family, a royal priesthood, the sacrificial “system” – the “religion” or worship practices of the people including that idea of God’s presence in the ark, in a tent-to-go-box.
Then those same people asked for a King, like they had seen in Egypt and other nations— so Saul was appointed, then David and a long list of kings, all of whom “did damage” as you suggest.
Hello! I hope that over time the program will be improved and will be easy and clear for everyone. I want to correct you a bit regarding Moses; he did nothing on his own, he acted according to God’s instructions. Only once did he fail to glorify God when he brought water from the rock, and because of that, he did not enter the Promised Land but was only allowed to see it from a distance. God permitted this, and the leaders acted out of the stubbornness and hard-heartedness of the Israeli people, who constantly grumbled against God, and He punished them. They feared God and asked for a mediator between the Israeli people and God, something like that.
Sorry-- but you can’t have it both ways… He either did nothing on his own, acting according to God’s instructions, as you say… OR he failed to follow God’s instructions– as you also said.
We both know that only the latter, is the true statement.
My dear friend Moses, when he first met God and God sent him to lead the Israelites out of Egyptian bondage, Moses said that he was slow of speech and wondered what he would say to them. This is where his brother Aaron comes in. God spoke to Moses, and Moses spoke to Aaron. There is no need to look for any mistakes or shortcomings; everything was as it should be because God does not make mistakes, and God is not a man to regret, nor a human being. We simply need to believe and not doubt.
Don’t doubt, dear friend; you just need to study the Scriptures very carefully and with faith, and always with prayer, asking God for the Holy Spirit. God does not make mistakes because He is God! The Lord Jesus Christ said: if your faith is as small as a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds, you can say to that mountain, “Throw yourself into the sea,” and it will throw itself.
“May the Lord bless you and keep you! May the Lord make His face shine upon you and be gracious to you! May the Lord turn His face toward you and give you peace!” (Numbers 6:24-26).
We can be friends and disagree. If one were to follow your logic to conclusion, you’d have to insist that it was God’s desire that His chosen one (Moses) disobey and die, short of the Promised Land.
It might be convenient to blame God and absolve Moses of any responsibility for his actions, but it isn’t right to do so.
This is not my logic; it is Scripture. I am quoting Scripture. If I were speaking from myself in my own words, I would be a clanging cymbal. Moses did not disobey, as you say, not intentionally and not deliberately; it was difficult for him to bear all of this. He asked God many times to divide his responsibilities. As soon as he ascended the mountain for the tablets, the people immediately sinned. It is a heavy burden, and Moses was responsible for the entire nation. We are human, and it is inherent in us to make mistakes. The word “chosen” does not mean flawless. The chosen people are God’s people, and that does not imply perfection. Why did the entire nation wander in the desert for 40 years? Why did many not enter the Promised Land? Do you know about this? Can you even for a second imagine the scale of the creation of the universe? As it is written: “Have you seen how I girded Saturn?” You are just a man, taken from the earth, and to the earth you shall return. You are merely a vapor: here you are, and then you are gone.
Farid-- whether you would admit it or not, you are using scripture in an attempt to prop up your beliefs/thinking (logic).
Moses might be your hero, but he isn’t mine. There’s no getting around the fact that he disobeyed and that his actions led to 40 years of aimless wandering. The story supports the premise of your thread- It was his attempt to control the people that harmed them.
Yes, I use the Holy Scripture because it is inspired by God, and I adhere to it. I have no idols in Scripture. Scripture is a textbook for my life. The only person from Scripture that I can mention as an example is Job. My dear friend, do not look for flaws. Tell me what you want, what you are waiting for, and what your goal is!
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.
Hi,
"As it is said, a man cannot govern another man without causing harm. ". Quote from farid
So by that thinking, society should not lock up criminals because it harms us?
Please flesh out your thought.
Because I want good people controlling bad people.
Blessings
A person rules over another to the detriment of humanity… God created man and everything that surrounds us… And only He, as our Creator, should take power into His own hands. If you read the prophecies of the Bible, everything is heading in that direction… “2 Peter 3:3-13.” People, in their cruelty, have already crossed all boundaries… “How pitiful is the jester on the throne of the king, how foolish is the people who allowed this!”