But I did just explain the misisng night time. I just finished editing. Please reread it. Read the last 4 paragraphs.f
@Raina, I came across your post and am putting you on my daily prayer list too!
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Tillman,
I don’t know why you keep addressing your comments to Raina when I think they are meant for me.
You write - “But I did just explain the misisng night time. I just finished editing. Please reread it. Read the last 4 paragraphs.”
That’s an issue for a different topic. This topic if for those who believe in a 6th day of the week crucifixion - not a 5th day one.
Since it’s been a while, someone new looking in may know of examples.
There are some folks who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.
Yes, they’re called Christians. And they think that because it’s what the Bible explicitly says.
TheologyNerd,
re: “Yes, they’re called Christians. And they think that because it’s what the Bible explicitly says.”
How do you account for the lack of a third night?
Simple. Jesus isn’t trying to specify a literal 72 hours.
re: “Simple. Jesus isn’t trying to specify a literal 72 hours.”
But He did specify three night times. And where did I say anything about 72 hours?
Either what Jesus said agrees with what the Gospels present, or there is a contradiction.
I don’t believe there’s a contradiction. But if you insist that Jesus means literally three days (three 12 hour periods) and three nights (three 12 hour periods…hence my reference to 72 hours) then Jesus is in direct contradiction to what the Gospels tell us.
The Gospels tell us that:
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Jesus was crucified on the day before the Sabbath. Consistently speaking of this day as the day of preparation, aka the day preparing for the Sabbath. We would reckon this as Friday before sundown. This is further emphasized when some Jewish leaders asked that there not be any bodies on the Sabbath, and so the legs of the crucified were broken to expedite their death–Jesus was already dead, and a soldier confirmed this by piercing Jesus’ side with a spear. Jesus’ body was taken down off the cross, given over to Joseph of Arimathea who put Jesus’ body in his family tomb–all before sundown Friday. So that’s Day 1.
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Jesus’ body was in Joseph of Arimathea’s family tomb from before sundown Friday until just before sunrise on Sunday. We know this because we are told that early on the first day of the week the women went to visit Jesus’ tomb and the stone was rolled away. On that same day, according to St. Luke’s Gospel, Jesus came upon a couple of disciples on the road to Emmaus, and they don’t recognize Him. They tell Him “this is the third day since these things happened” i.e. Jesus’ crucifixion. And Jesus Himself said that the Messiah must suffer and on the third day rise again. So the first day of the week (aka Sunday) constitutes Day 3.
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Jesus was crucified on Friday and died and was buried before sundown. Jesus’ body laid at rest in the tomb over the course of the entire Sabbath, and sometime before sunrise on Sunday He rose from the dead. Friday (Day 1), Saturday (Day 2), Sunday (Day 3). This information is explicit and undeniable from the clean and clear presentation of all four Gospel accounts.
Jesus, literally, was in the grave for 2 nights. So if you want to say that Jesus can only mean three nights in an absolutely literal way, then we are left with only two options:
- The Gospels are right and Jesus is wrong.
- The Gospels are wrong and Jesus is right.
I, like virtually all Christians, reject both of these options. We believe Jesus and the Gospels are true. Because Jesus’ point is NOT that He would literally spend three nights in the grave, but rather He compares His burial with Jonah’s time in the belly of the fish. Three days and three nights isn’t three full 24 hour periods of daylight and nighttime. As the Gospels lay out the information for us, the three days (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday) fulfill what Jesus said.
But you can’t get a different sequence of events from the Gospels. They are actually very clear about this. Jesus died on Friday. Jesus rose on Sunday. End of debate.
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TheologyNerd,
The only issue of this topic is with regard to the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.
It is not intended to be a “debate” as you mention.
You could start a new topic if you want to discuss the day of the crucifixion.
BTW, I also, didn’t say or insist that the Messiah meant “literally three days (three 12 hour periods) and three nights (three 12 hour periods…”
@rstrats has held onto this topic for nearly a year now. What stamina!
Several times, in these 90+ interactions @rstrats has insisted that the topic remain clear and does not allow deviation. I appreciate that.
In the spirit of compliance and deference to @rstrats insistence on topic purity, I for one do not think what Jesus said was just a “common figure of speech”. As such, I am disqualified from this discussion.
KP
KPuff,
re: “In the spirit of compliance and deference to @rstrats insistence on topic purity…As such, I am disqualified from this discussion.”
Finally, someone who gets it.
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Someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
And remember, the someone new needs to be someone who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and who thinks that the “heart of the earth” is referring to the tomb and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.
TheologyNerd,
Did you ever start a new topic?