Deporting Foreign Terrorists

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The difference is that Jesus was innocent of all charges.
DJT actually did, in fact, commit crimes.

There are a lot of problems with the American justice system. But simply having one’s own personal loyalty, identity, and allegiance toward a corrupt politician (DJT) is not sufficient grounds to reject fact-based reality.

Christians are a people who are committed to truth and righteousness. At least we are supposed to be. Our conscience is supposed to be held captive to God’s Word, our loyalty is to Jesus Christ, and our lives belong to and are committed to God.

I do not wish to badmouth those who have been led astray by the false MAGA gospel; there has been a great deal of intentional social engineering, especially through social media, to deprive people of critical reasoning and thinking and strip people of conscience. I regard most who support, explicitly or implicitly, the MAGA movement as victims of ungodly and anti-Christian forces which have been at work for as long as the world has existed. The challenge every generation of Christians has had to face is Christ or Caesar, God’s kingdom or the temporal power and authorities. As the Church is a people who belong to the Kingdom, but who live and inhabit a fallen world we have to navigate a narrow path. It can be easy to succumb to the temptations of the flesh toward power, thinking that the answer to a Pagan Caesar is a Christian Caesar; and on the other hand it can be tempting to retreat from the secular and civil world or deny the importance of our own participation as Christians with a vocation as neighbors and citizens of our respective civil jurisdictions. There is always a cost to following Jesus, it is always a difficult, narrow, and uphill path that we must always struggle–all while carrying our own cross of discipleship.

None of this is easy. But we should always seek first the kingdom of God. And seeking first God’s kingdom means it is not blessed are the wealthy, blessed are the well-fed, blessed are the oligarchs; it’s blessed are the poor and poor in spirit, blessed are those that hunger, and those that hunger after justice; and blessed are those who suffer and are persecuted for the sake of following Jesus and for the sake of justice.

We are a people who are defined by the Cross of the Lamb of God. As we read in St. John’s Revelation, it is the Lamb who is seated on the throne. It is the Lamb who will judge the nations.

Our work is the work which every follower of Jesus has been tasked with: “If you love Me, do what I have commanded”. And that means when the powerful claim they have the Way, we say no, Jesus Christ is the Way. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one may know or come to the Father except through Him.

Christ Alone is the solid foundation of His Holy Church.

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a) You can read Donald Trump’s mind?
b) Any and all immigration laws.

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LOL!!! You need to better than that.

Trump is a) transparent and b) predictable.

The U.S. Constitution grants CONGRESS the authority to legislate federal immigration and citizenship laws, ensuring these laws align with constitutional principles, particularly those in the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment.

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To whomever responded to my post of 5/29: I have your posts hidden so I don’t have to read what you wrote.

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I suppose we could just let the illegal immigrants who are murderers and rapists roam our neighborhoods.

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Maybe YOUR neighborhood. As I have stated earlier, I live in New Mexico and have never seen any of these violent “illegal immigrants”. It is a xenophobic myth created by the chief white supremacist, using the same tactics as Hitler used. I thought that the US had moved beyond racism and other forms of hateful discrimination, but unfortunately Trump has brought us back to the days prior to the civil rights movement.

Any “Christian” who goes along with this hatred – WHICH IS CLEARLY IN CONFLICT WITH GOD’S WILL AND GOD’S WORD – should examine their faith.

P.S. The most recent mass murder in New Mexico was committed in Las Cruces by a white American.

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Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do and we voted him in to accomplish our desires for a safer nation and to drain the evil beasts in the swamp; I voted for him and will give him the four years to complete his oath to the nation.

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The Democrats apparently want to keep illegal immigrants who are murderers and rapists in our country, but right now, Donald Trump is president, and he is deporting them.

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I thought that the US had moved beyond racism and other forms of hateful discrimination,

An objective and honest reading of American history, including contemporary events of the past 50 years, along with the lived experiences of racial minorities and women all would indicate that the US has never moved beyond these things. There have been substantial improvements made, but it is always a steep-inclined uphill fight. The nation which emerged with the promise of equality and liberty toward all people has never lived up to that aspiration. In one sense, we should honestly recognize that in this fallen world the grand ideals of freedom, justice, and mercy are never fully attainable because human beings are fallen, sinful, and we corrupt everything we do and aspire to do. At the same time we should never stop the fight and the struggle toward a healthy, free, and just society in which people can flourish.

The Church’s social mission is always one of human flourishing; to be salt and light, to speak truth to power, as we bear the prophetic mantle in which we speak and act toward justice and righteousness for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, the weak, the poor, the hungry, the outcast, and the stranger. The mission of God’s People in the world has ever and always been to be a light among the nations. And we can live into our vocation as resident aliens of our home nations and communities by taking Jesus seriously as He calls us to these things; and in so doing we demonstrate our allegiance to the Kingdom and Lordship of Jesus Christ, for our citizenship is of the kingdom, a citizenship we live out in the world by taking up our cross.

Which means that the Church will always, if she is faithful to her Lord, be at odds with the powers and principalities on some level. Whether imperial Rome under Nero or Diocletian, or here in the United States which claims freedom of religion and religious expression for all people.

Dr. King spoke wisely, prophetically, and biblically when he said that the Church can never be master of the State nor servant of the State, but must be the conscience and critic of the State.

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What about those who are here legally and who have done nothing but contribute their time, resources, and energy to their neighbors and communities?

Surely you aren’t unaware that many who have been deprived of their Constitutional right of due process and stolen away and deported have been here legally and have committed no crime. How is that defensible?

Christians have a moral duty and obligation as servants and disciples of Jesus Christ to be on the side of the oppressed and deprived of justice; we do not advocate for injustice, we speak of justice, truth, and righteousness. We are a people who, bearing the Cross of Jesus, are armed with truth and righteousness and peace.

Political party preferences are irrelevant when it comes to our high calling to the Lordship of Jesus, which means being servant toward our neighbors in love. It is not to flag, country, or tribe that our bodies, hearts, and minds ultimately belong, but to Jesus Christ. The United States, like all great empires, might come and go, but the kingdom of Jesus Christ is forever. So as Christians in America our greatest act of patriotic service to our nation is to lift high the Cross of Jesus, and we do that not by putting crosses on state buildings or building monuments of the Decalogue, but by obeying Jesus as He commands us to live out our faith in truth and love toward our neighbor–whether our neighbor is an American citizen, a foreign tourist, a documented immigrant, or even an undocumented “illegal” immigrant.

Surely you don’t believe that each and every human person who is here, without citizenship, whether legal or illegal, is a “murderer and rapist” do you? That would be an entirely bonkers opinion to hold without any merit. It would also be an objectively un-Christian opinion to hold.

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Excellent, excellent post!!! Thanks so much for writing this! It’s very sad that some people have completely forgotten the basis of our faith and prefer the hateful propaganda spewed by Donald Trump.

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Benny, anecdote isn’t argument.

You say you haven’t seen violent illegal immigrants in New Mexico—fine. But that’s like saying hurricanes don’t exist because it hasn’t rained in your backyard. Other communities have a very different reality, and ignoring their suffering because it doesn’t happen on your street corner isn’t compassion—it’s willful blindness.

Calling concern for border security “xenophobic” or “white supremacy” is not only lazy—it’s slander. Hitler comparisons? That’s not debate. That’s desperation.

Trump didn’t invent illegal immigration or border crime. And he didn’t invent the laws he’s enforcing. Want to criticize his tone? Fair. But don’t confuse tone with tyranny.

As for your accusation against Christians who support immigration enforcement: be careful. “Judge not” (Matthew 7:1) doesn’t mean turn off discernment, but it does mean don’t pretend you can see someone’s heart or faith just because you disagree with their politics.

Love your neighbor? Yes. But love doesn’t mean open borders, lawlessness, or pretending danger doesn’t exist just because it doesn’t knock on your door.

P.S. One white American committing a crime doesn’t erase border-related violence, cartel crime, or national security threats. We can care about all of it at the same time. That’s called justice—not selective outrage.

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We can’t just allow anybody to enter out country. There have to be rules. People who have entered our country by breaking those rules have to accept the possibility they will be deported.

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What about the people who follow the rules? Should they be black-bagged and sent to a gulag? Because that is happening.

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There ARE rules! Of course, rules are violated all the time by many, many people, not just immigrants. One of the major rule violators is Donald Trump. Never forget that he has been convicted of 34 felonies and sexual assault. He must also abide by the laws as President, including habeas corpus. He cannot simply deport people to (cruel) foreign prisons (not even in their country of origin) and violate the existing laws. That seems to be something he is very good at!

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@Benny

Count your blessings. Spend some time here in South Africa, where there are virtually no borders, a government leaning toward Marxist ideologies, over 140 race-based laws targeting white citizens, and rampant violent crime. It puts things in sobering perspective.

No joke.

Johann.

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34 “felonies” for an alleged hush money payment. Can you look me square in the eyes and say that isn’t lawfare?

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There are no quotation marks here. Donald Trump was convicted of 34 separate felonies in a New York State court of law.

And there is nothing “alleged” about it. He was given a fair trial and found guilty of all charges. That is the way the judicial system works.

If people can’t deal with the fact that Donald Trump is not above the law, that a jury found him GUILTY on ALL counts, then something is really wrong with them.

P.S. The title of this thread is “Deporting Foreign Terrorists”. It is not the thread to discuss Donald Trump’s convictions.

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If Trump operates within the structure of US law, then he (actually his agency) has the right to deport people who are in the US illegally.

He does NOT have the right to round up people and deport them to a foreign prison without following the law, particularly the legal principle of habeas corpus which requires the government to justify the reasons for holding a person, ensuring protection against unlawful confinement or other punishment.

Should Trump Have Been Allowed to Enforce Mass Deportations?
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Benny, let’s give credit where it’s due: this time, you’re not crying wolf—you’re pointing at a real problem. Trump’s recent deportation moves, particularly involving El Salvador’s CECOT prison, are drawing serious legal heat—and for good reason.

Here’s the raw truth: Trump’s administration has been using the Alien Enemies Act of 1798—yes, dusted off from the John Adams era—to classify certain migrants as “threats” and ship them off to El Salvador’s mega-prison. Over 260 individuals, many of them Venezuelans, were sent there. The catch? More than half had no criminal convictions on U.S. soil. Just allegations of gang ties, no hearings, no charges, no due process.

Let’s park there: no due process. That’s where this entire thing goes from “strong on borders” to “weak on justice.”

And yes, the courts have taken notice. A federal judge just ruled these deportations unlawful, because they violated the principle of habeas corpus—that little constitutional gem which says the government can’t just throw people into cells (foreign or domestic) without showing cause and giving them a chance to contest it.

So no, this isn’t routine deportation. It’s constitutional corner-cutting. And I won’t defend that. You can be tough on illegal immigration without becoming lawless yourself.

Now, don’t get it twisted: I still believe borders are biblical (Acts 17:26). I still believe the state has the God-given authority to enforce immigration law (Romans 13). But how you wield that authority matters. When government steps outside the lines of justice, we don’t applaud—we call it out.

That’s what biblical conservatism is: not blind loyalty to any man, but unwavering loyalty to the rule of law under God.

So Benny, you’ve finally hit a nerve worth hitting. But remember this: if you only care about due process when Trump’s in office, but stayed silent when Biden let millions cross with zero vetting and record cartel trafficking, then you’re not defending justice—you’re just flipping jerseys.

I’ll keep calling it straight—even if I stand alone. Even if I’m ignored. Because the truth? It doesn’t flinch.

—Sincere Seeker. Scripturally savage. Here for the Truth.