Did God Order the Death of Innocent Children?

Did God Order the Death of Innocent Children?

The command in 1 Samuel 15:3 to destroy the Amalekites, including children, is deeply troubling and challenges our understanding of God’s justice and love as described in 1 John 4:16. How can such passages fit into the broader biblical narrative of mercy, grace, and redemption? Let’s discuss how these accounts shape our perception of God’s character. #BibleQuestions #GodsJustice #DifficultScriptures #1Samuel15 #FaithAndUnderstanding


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The passage in 1 Samuel 15:3, where God commands the destruction of the Amalekites, including children and infants, is one of the most challenging in the Bible. This directive raises deeply unsettling questions about God’s character, justice, and love. How do we reconcile this with the statement that “God is love” in 1 John 4:16?

How do we understand passages like 1 Samuel 15 in light of the broader biblical narrative? Can these events provide insight into God’s justice and mercy? How do they challenge our perception of Him?

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Who is it that grants life to All living things?

Who is it that has determined when All living things lives will end, that is die!

Is it not God.

What would you say to several hundred to thousands of children being left without parents, no resources, trumatised by seeing their parents killed, being left to starve or die of exposure?

Could something else have been done? Well with 20:20 hindsight yes something could, but it wasn’t.

Ultimately they experienced the fate every non christian, of what ever age, is going to experience. Death, judgement and hell.

@Fritz_Admin, in Genesis 15:16, God says to Abram, when he establishes the covenant with him, including the promise of the land, that the sinfulness of the occupiers of the land had not reached its fullness. The Canaanites had 400 years to repent of their very evil practices, because according to Leviticus 25:23, he owns the land; we don’t. People forfeit their land with their evil practices:

Lev_25:23 “The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine. For you are strangers and sojourners with me.

Gen 15:13 Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years.
Gen 15:14 But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve, and afterward they shall come out with great possessions.
Gen 15:15 As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

Instead of repenting of sacrificing their children to their gods, for example, they walled themselves up against attacks from Israel. Thus, they forfeited their lives and those of their families. Besides, any influence from them would be Israel’s downfall, as eventually happened, sadly, when they didn’t completely complete their mission as God’s agents of his justice.

Another way to ask this question might be - “Did God order that this group of innocent children would come to heaven immediately instead of living a difficult painful life as part of a wicked pagan society in this very treacherous world that tries hard to kill everybody, and then probably go to hell?”

@Who-me

“Who is it that grants life to All living things?

Who is it that has determined when All living things lives will end, that is die!

Is it not God.

What would you say to several hundred to thousands of children being left without parents, no resources, trumatised by seeing their parents killed, being left to starve or die of exposure?”

That is the best argument for legalizing abortion that I have ever seen.

Except that’s not what it is. This is an argument that acknowledges God’s sovereignty over all human lives. Your argument for legalizing abortion denies God’s sovereignty, by breaking the “thou shall not murder” commandment.

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potato patato

Thats like arguing its okay to abuse a kid if God says to. Which is what abusive Godly parents do- they say God told them to do it. They say that is what Scripture says to do..

No, it’s not like that at all, because God doesn’t tell parents to abuse their children. No “if” about it.

Have you noticed that God kills everyone, by appointment? Is that “abusive” as well?

The argument is that God is sovereign over all things, including the earthly lives of every single human person. I promise, when you get to heaven, your complaint to God won’t be “why did you take me so early?” The opposite is much more likely.

If you are referring to the fact that everyone dies…and see that as God killing people, then why tell a human to kill anyone?

But the fact is, abusers do point to Scripture and the Pastor. This has happened. Children have died because their parents went too far.

If God is telling a man to kill a village, and that makes it right to do… why would it be wrong to abuse chilsren if God said to? God did ask Abraham to kill Isaac?

Whatever God told you to do, you would do it, wouldn’t you? Without question?

To answer your first question, I think that in this case, the sins of that nation (which included every extremity of evil) made it worthy to be utterly wiped out. The Jews were prone to degradation by adopting the customs, practices, and ideologies of their surrounding neighbors. They needed to learn the fear of God, and the consequences of deserting their God.

All kinds of people do all kinds of sins and blame God for that. They are wrong for doing that.

Your speculations make me wonder if we’re talking about the same God. They seem like idle speculations to me.

Well, to amswer your first answer, why didn’t God do it Hinself like with Sodom and Gomorah?

And to answer your second answer, I am merely following where reason takes us and has in fact taken some believers that believed they were obeying God

And third, you don’t really know so you really can’t say without being rude..

Well I don’t mean to be rude. I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from. I get “trusting God but not trusting people.” I right there with you. But my not trusting people doesnt diminish my trust for God.

Like I said, using the armies of Israel to execute His will is an object lesson for the nation of Israel. they were prone to forgetting who their God is who delivered them from Egyptian bondage. And it was an object lesson that struck fear into the hearts of the other surrounding nations.

And again, lot’s of people have wrong beliefs about God. It’s a non sequitur, and therefore illogical and unreasonable to try to tie that to God’s actual commandments.

But is that your line of reason or is that what God said in Scripture

My point- anyone can receive a messenger from God who says to go do anything. That messenger could be an angel of light that visits in the night.

What wouldn’t God tell you to do?

Most people believe its perfectly acceptable to punish your children when they misbehave. But when cult leaders take a church children become targets in the Name of God.

It’s what God says in scripture. It doesn’t sound like your “messenger” comes from God.

You are saying that some people take God’s name in vain, and do sinful things. That doesn’t result in an appropriate indictment of God’s word, or God Himself.

Its not an indictment.

It is a call to be better.

Again, how do you tell if a messenger is from God? If they argue that to spare the rod is to spoil the child, which is Scripture. And then they say to you, “Parent, your child has sinned and brings punishment upon us from God. You must bare the rod until they confess of their sins.

And that child is beaten to death.

Was that God’s Will?

Similar things to this happen in Churches that proclaim God’s Name, twisting the Scriptures you trust. Don’t you think its worth knowing the line you wont cross now before you fall into the grip of a wolf in sheep’s clotting?

Proverbs 13:24

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is dilligent to discipline him.

@Fritzpw_Admin & friends

This is a question that is difficult to address. It poses a paradox that is difficult to even partially unravel, and specifically difficult to formulate a cogent response that is unlikely to be misunderstood or marginalized. The whole context of First Samuel 15 passage is of utmost importance if we are to even begin to approach the rationale of God for ordering such an extreme command. I’m sure entire books could be written addressing this question within its context, and might, even then, only provide unsatisfactory answers.

The question poses this paradox: God who is “Holy”, is the personification of “Love”, and only does “good”, commands Israel to perform an action that by all standards seems unholy, unloving, and un-good. We have discussed a similar paradox in the “Why Did God Create Satan” thread. The paradox erects a strong fence between two contrasting realities, and we find ourselves sitting on top of the fence because to jump to one side requires us to denounce that which is on the other side.

I realize at the onset that it is an unsatisfying answer to simply say, “We may be incapable of fully understanding God or His actions.” While that may be true, and one may assent to the idea, it really provides no resolution to the paradox. We seek for a resolution that tears down the fence, and apathetic resignation does not do that for us. In fact, easy resignation leaves an odor of uneasiness, and fear upon our soul; a queasy, unsettled feeling of persistent incredulity; “If The loving God can do this incredible thing to the Amalekites, without apparent justification, what incredible thing might He do to me?”

We find ourselves gazing into the discomforting abyss, trying to comprehend the incomprehensible; we are trying to understand the mysteries of an ocean by scooping up a bowl full of water near the shore, or to comprehend the vast unexplored firmament by studying the air inside a balloon.

For we know only partially and so we can speak of God only partially. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which only partial will yield to fullness.

It’s like, when I was a child, then I only spoke as a child, I only understood as a child, I only thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away those childish ways. For now, we see only our own face, as in a mirror, and that only dimly, but when the perfect comes, then we will see Him face to face. Now I only know in part, but then I shall know fully, just as I also am known fully.
1 Corinthians 13:9-12 (paraphrase)

Addressing this paradox, we also know we must avoid projecting human values onto a Holy God; it is unwise to say: “why wouldn’t God just …X…Y…Z…” as if to imply, “If I were in charge, I would have done things differently”, or “if I were omniscient I would have avoided this problem altogether”. Going down this path is a fool’s errand; these are unrighteous thoughts:

Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 55:7-8

Part of our answer surely lies in David’s psalm;

The earth is the LORD’S, and all its fullness, The world and those who dwell therein. Psalm 24:1

This psalm depicts God’s earth in much the same way one would view his own garden. The owner of the garden has the responsibility of cultivating some plants, and eliminating others, and if, rather than using a hoe, or herbicides, the Gardener chooses to use good plants to strangle the life out of invasive weeds, it is His genius. But people are not plants, people are bearers of the glorious image of the Gardener. As such, we hold that all are created equal, and endowed by their creator certain unalienable rights, among them the right to life. Yet, even a good gardener, who created good plants has the obligation to rid the garden of mutated plants that have become noxious weeds, harmful weeds He knows are injurious to the health of the garden, weeds that mar the image of the Gardener.

I am no longer teetering on the fence of indecision. I have planted both feet on the side that says: “God is always “Holy”, God is pure “Love”, and God only does “good”. Therefore, every decision or command of his is Holy, loving, and good. I forsake my unrighteous thoughts, I accept my limited capacity to understand His holiness, and I fully yield to obey His every command, even it I do not understand His thought or His ways.

"Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.

John 6:68

Isaiah 5:1-2 A Poetic Paraphrase

Come let me sing; let me sing a sad song
to the one whom I love, of his quandary.
On a choice fertile hill with soil black as coal
He measured and staked a fair boundary.

He cleared all the stones and tilled perfect rows
to nurture His choicest of vines.
Then deep in the middle he built a strong tower
and placed a sound press for His wines.

The sun and rain nourished the vines,
but the wind blew in pollen defiled.
The clusters emerged, the fruit took their color
but the grapes were not good but sore wild.

I offer this POV as my unsatisfactory contribution.

KP

Powerfully stated, @KPuff You have spoken well, for truly “the Rock, His work is perfect, for all His ways are justice” (Deuteronomy 32:4). I stand with you in confessing that the Lord is holy, loving, and good in all His judgments, and like Peter I also say, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life” (John 6:68).

J.

Interesting question.
To give a basic outline:
Korah rebelled against Moses, and the leading men and others accused Moses and Aaron of self-exaltation.
Now in Num 16:22-24:
Moses raised a crucial question before the Lord:
”If one man sinned, will the Lord’s anger be on all the congregation?”
The Lord’s answer was clear:
”Withdraw from around Korah’s company”
In other words, the Lord’s answer was “No”.
Now, I know I’m not answering the question directly, I’m just building up the tension.
Now, one may think, “What about Korah’s sons? How are they guilty?”
Korah’s sons were not guilty because of their father’s sin, for they did not perish with him, as we see in Num 26:11
Moses’ question, the Lord’s answer and the longevity of Korah’s sons refute the false doctrine of Original sin. This evil doctrine teaches that Adam’s offspring (all mankind) are guilty before God because of their father’s transgression. This teaching is false, because each man is guilty before God for his own transgression.**
So, I will return after 2-3 hrs. Sorry for the wait.

@Pater15, children are not innocent from birth. They are born as sinners. I know from experience as an 82-year-old with three grown children, four grown grandchildren, and two great-grandchildren. Children are born self-centered wanting attention and demanding that their needs be met.

More importantly, the Bible has some things to say about the subject, specifically David and Paul:

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

Thus, we are stillborn spiritually by being dead to God and need to be taught that God is center of our universe, not ourselves.

@Bruce_Leiter

i have to ask, are you the Grandpa they want to visit?