Did Jesus "Choose" Us? John 15:16

shalom · January 21, 2026, 7:01pm

How do you interpret John 15:16? Is this verse meant to be a message for all Christians that we were chosen to be followers of Christ or just meant for the disciples?

I’ve heard it argued both ways, depending on whether the person was supporting predestination or not. I’m personally in a place of believing that we, as humans, do not have the ability to understand the balance between predestination and free will, and I’m comfortable with that for now. But, I’m always open to learning more, so please share your thoughts and any resources your recommend on this topic!

Johann · January 21, 2026, 7:09pm

Joh_15:16 “You did not choose Me, but I chose you” There are several key grammatical items.

both verbs are aorist middle indicative - Jesus, Himself, once and for all chose them (cf. Joh_6:70; Joh_13:18; Joh_15:16; Joh_15:19)
the strong “alla” (but) adversative
the emphatic “ego” or “I” statement

Here is the balance between human response and election. Both are biblical teachings. God always initiates (cf. Joh_6:44; Joh_6:65; Joh_15:16; Joh_15:19), but humans must respond (cf. Joh_1:12; Joh_3:16; Joh_15:4; Joh_15:7; Joh_15:9). God’s dealings with mankind are always in a covenant relationship (“if. . .then”). Joh_3:16.
The verb “chosen” in this context refers to the Twelve. The term “chosen” has the connotation of “chosen for service” in the OT and only in the NT does the added concept of “chosen for salvation” come into the semantic range. NT believers are chosen for Christlikeness which is service, selflessness, and sacrifice for the Kingdom of God, the body of Christ, the corporate good. It is a clear demonstration that the self-centeredness of the Fall has been broken.
It is characteristic in John that what Jesus says regarding the Twelve has implications and applications to all believers. They represent the first fruits of discipleship, but their relationship is

unique in its eyewitness testimony (i.e., inspiration)
applicable to all believers in that Jesus’ will for them is His will for all who believe and follow

“appointed you that you would go and bear fruit and that your fruit would remain” These are three present active subjunctives: (1) go; (2) bear fruit; and (3) fruit remains (abides). Believers are on a mission (cf. Mat_28:19-20; Luk_24:46-47; Act_1:8). The theological aspect of the term “appointed” can be seen in Act_20:28; 1Co_12:28; 2Ti_1:11. It was also used of Christ’s death on believers’ behalf (cf. Joh_10:11; Joh_10:15; Joh_10:17-18; Joh_15:13).

“in My name” Believers are to reproduce Jesus’ character. This phrase is synonymous with “the will of God” in 1Jn_5:14. Love and answered prayer are linked here as in Joh_14:13-15. The Name of the Lord at Joh_14:13-14.
Joh_15:17 “This I command you , that you love one another” See note on Joh_15:12. Answered prayer is linked to love and mission!

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Calvinists have recognized this problem and have suggested that Arminians have failed to carefully exegete Jn. 12:32. Calvinists Peterson and Williams state their case as follows,

Arminian interpreters have appealed to the parallel use of the same word, draw (helko), in John 12:32 and have concluded that God draws everyone to Jesus. There Jesus says, ‘But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.’ He means that when he is crucified (see Jn. 12:33), he will bring all men to himself in salvation. “All men” here does not mean every individual, however, but Gentiles as well as Jews. We say this because of the context, in which after “some Greeks” ask to see Jesus (Jn. 12:20-22) he apparently ignores them and talks about his approaching cross (Jn. 12:23-28). But he doesn’t really ignore the Greeks; he includes them in “all men” whom he will draw by his death. Jesus thus speaks of all without distinction (e.g. all kinds of people, Greeks as well as Jews) and not all without exception (i.e. every individual). (Robert A. Peterson and Michael D. Williams, Why I Am Not An Arminian, pp. 166, 167)

I have no problem with their consideration of John 12:20-22, nor with their statement that he includes the Greeks in “all men”. The part I take issue with is their conclusion that when Jesus says “all men” he means only “all without distinction” or “all kinds of people”. This is a conclusion that Peterson and Williams have read into the passage based on the necessities of their Calvinist theology. There is no exegetical justification for reading “all men” as “some men” from among “all men” in this passage. It makes just as much sense to say that because Jesus’ drawing power would go out to “all men” (without exception), that the Gentiles of Jn. 12:20-22 could then rest assured that they too would have access to the gift of God’s salvation. To say that the presence of Greeks in vss. 20-22 necessitates that Jn. 12:32 must be understood in a restrictive sense is a huge leap in logic, and a conclusion which the un-biased reader of Scripture would likely never come to on his or her own. Lets break their argument down to see how sound it is.

Jesus says he will draw “all men” to himself (Jn. 12:32).
This statement is likely a response to the presence of Greeks who are requesting to see Jesus (Jn. 12:20-22).
Therefore, when Jesus says “all men” he means “some men” from among “all men” (Jews and Gentiles).

It doesn’t take too much intelligence to see that 3) does not necessarily follow from 1) and 2).

The Arminian position could be stated as follows,

The conclusion to the first syllogism seems forced and artificial, while the second takes the Biblical data at face value and still accounts for the presence of Greeks which may have provoked Jesus’ statement. Robert E. Picirilli gives us a helpful and relevant exegetical reminder in Grace, Faith, Free Will,

Since salvation itself is involved, this demands a careful response rather than a dogmatic one, especially given that I am already familiar with the opposing position in this “debate” and am not speaking from ignorance.

J.

Johann · January 21, 2026, 7:49pm

All of us who handle God’s Word do well to remember that we do not honor Him with our interpretive ingenuity but with submission to what He says. To say, even to show, that a given statement can be interpreted in a certain way does us no credit at all. The question is always not what the words can mean but what they do mean, here. (pg. 137)

“will draw all men to Me” This may be an allusion to YHWH’s covenant love for Israel in Jer_31:3 which, of course, is the passage on “the new covenant” (cf. Jer_31:31-34). God woos people by His love for and actions toward them. This same metaphorical use of this term is in Joh_6:44 and explained in Joh_6:65.
Here the “all” is the universal invitation and promise of redemption (cf. Gen_3:15; Gen_12:3; Exo_19:5; Isa_2:2-4; Joh_1:9; Joh_1:12; Joh_1:29; Joh_3:16; Joh_4:42; Joh_10:16; 1Ti_2:4; 1Ti_4:10; Tit_2:11; 2Pe_3:9; 1Jn_2:2; 1Jn_4:14)!
There is a significant variant in this phrase. The “all” can be masculine, which would be translated “all men” and is found in the ancient Greek manuscripts P75 (VID), אi2, B, L, and W, while the neuter, which would be translated “all things,” is found in P66 and א. If it is the NEUTER it would speak of the cosmic redemption of Christ similar to Col_1:16-17, which would probably reflect the Gnostic heresy so evident in 1 John. The UBS4 gives the masculine a “B” rating (almost certain).

Joh 12:32 And I, κἀγὼ when ἐὰν I am lifted up ὑψωθῶ from ἐκ the τῆς earth, γῆς, will draw ἑλκύσω all [men] πάντας to πρὸς Myself.” ἐμαυτόν.

all (pas - πᾶς) all, every (thing, one), whole; always
all; in the singular the whole, entire, usually when the substantive has the article, Mt. 6:29; 8:32; Acts 19:26; every, only with an anarthrous substantive, Mt. 3:10; 4:4; plural all, Mt. 1:17, and frequently ; πάντα, in all respects, Acts 20:35 1Cor. 9:25; 10:33; 11:2; by a Hebraism, a negative with πᾶς is sometimes equivalent to οὐδεις or μηδεις, Mt. 24:22; Lk. 1:37; Acts 10:14 Rom. 3:20 1Cor. 1:29 Eph. 4:29
(Occurs 6438 times in the Bible.) , (Adjective Accusative Plural Masculine)
NET notes.

Second, textual critics overwhelmingly judge πάντας to be the original reading, not because it is theologically safer, but because it explains the rise of the neuter reading more plausibly than the reverse. Scribes familiar with Johannine cosmic language, especially “all things” elsewhere in John, could easily assimilate the phrase, whereas a change from neuter to masculine without contextual pressure is less likely.

Even if one granted the neuter reading hypothetically, it would not automatically support universalism, nor would the masculine reading automatically restrict the scope to a subset of humanity. Greek masculine plurals regularly function generically, and John’s immediate context already includes Greeks seeking Jesus in John 12:20–21, signaling humanity beyond Israel.

J.

JennyLynne · January 22, 2026, 9:58am

John 15:16 says, “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit…” In context, Jesus is speaking directly to His disciples. But that doesn’t mean the truth doesn’t extend beyond them. Many principles Jesus spoke to the Twelve have echoes throughout the New Testament for all believers….especially those about being called, sent, and fruitful.

But, I do agree with you in that there is a mystery to God’s sovereignty and our human responsibility.

Ephesians 1:4–5 says “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will”

And Romans 10:13 says that “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

It’s all true, even if we can’t fully resolve them.

For me, John 15:16 is less about free will and more about remembering who initiates salvation. When we came to Christ, it was not by our wisdom or goodness…It was His grace.

Who-me · January 22, 2026, 3:04pm

God chose the Israelite to be his people, they did not chose him, equally we were chosen by God, we did not chose him.

A slave to sin and the devil has no choice over who his master is.

We were rescued by Jesus.

Johann · January 22, 2026, 5:00pm

Guess you missed these verses and can give you the context, just ask @Who-me

Deuteronomy 30. 19
“I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing therefore choose life”
The verb “choose” is an imperative addressed to Israel, grounding covenant loyalty in a commanded human response to God.

Joshua 24 .15
“Choose you this day whom ye will serve”
Again a direct imperative, covenantal, binary, and addressed to real people expected to act.

Isaiah 1. 18 to 20
“Come now and let us reason together” followed by conditional consequences tied to willingness and obedience
Imperatival and volitional language dominates the passage.

Isaiah 55. 1 to 7
“Come,” “seek,” “call,” “forsake,” “return”
All imperatives, all directed to the hearer, all assuming the ability and responsibility to respond to God’s gracious offer.

Ezekiel 18. 30 to 32
“Repent, and turn yourselves”
God explicitly denies pleasure in death and commands turning, not passive waiting.

Now the New Testament, where the imperatives multiply rather than disappear.

Matthew 4. 17
“Repent”
Present active imperative, first word of Jesus’ public preaching, not a suggestion, not a description.

Matthew 11. 28
“Come unto me”
Imperative invitation grounded in Christ’s authority and messianic identity.

Matthew 16. 24
“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me”
All imperatival forms, all volitional, all costly, none optional.

Mark 1. 15
“Repent and believe in the gospel”
Two coordinated imperatives, making it very hard to argue that belief is never commanded.

John 3. 16 to 18 is often cited devotionally, but John 3. 36 is explicit
“He that believeth not the Son shall not see life”
The believing is assumed as a moral obligation, not a passive occurrence.

John 5. 40
“You are not willing to come to me that you may have life”
Jesus explicitly locates the problem in human unwillingness, not divine silence.

John 6. 29
“This is the work of God, that you believe”
Believing is commanded, even if enabled by God.

John 7. 37
“If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink”
Imperative appeal to the will.

Acts 2. 38
“Repent”
Imperative, public, apostolic, addressed to convicted hearers.

Acts 16. 31
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ”
Imperative response to the question “What must I do to be saved,” which Scripture does not correct as a wrong question.

Acts 17. 30
“God now commands all people everywhere to repent”
Command, universal scope, no theological loopholes.

Romans 10. 9 to 13
Confession and belief are presented as required responses, not automatic effects, grounded in the resurrection of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5. 20
“We beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God”
Imperatival appeal flowing directly from the cross and resurrection context of reconciliation.

Hebrews 3. 7 to 15
“Do not harden your hearts”
Imperative warning grounded in present response to God’s voice.

Hebrews 12. 25
“See that you do not refuse Him who is speaking”
Again, refusal is treated as a real possibility with real responsibility.

Revelation 22. 17
“Let the one who wishes take the water of life freely”
Final biblical invitation, still addressing human will at the very end of the canon.

What all of these texts share is this: God commands response, Christ commands allegiance, repentance and faith are imperatives, and the cross and resurrection form the objective ground that makes these commands meaningful rather than cruel.

Scripture never treats choosing God as autonomous self salvation, but it absolutely treats refusal as culpable, which only makes sense if response is genuinely commanded.

I am not on the “reformed theology” side, more Arminian.

Eph. 1:4 – “He chose us” is an AORIST MIDDLE INDICATIVE which emphasized the subject’s decisive choice. This verse focuses on the Father’s choice before time (i.e., “before the Foundation of the World”). God’s choice must not be understood in the Islamic sense of determinism nor in the ultra Calvinistic sense of “God chooses some versus God did not choose others,” but in a covenantal sense ( SPECIAL TOPIC: COVENANT).
God promised to redeem fallen mankind (cf. Gen. 3:15; see SPECIAL TOPIC: YHWH’S ETERNAL REDEMPTIVE PLAN). God called and chose Abraham to choose all humans. God Himself elected all persons who would exercise faith in Christ (cf. John 1:12; 3:15-16; 4:42; 12:32; 1 Tim. 2:4; Titus 2:11; 2 Pet. 3:9; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). God always takes the initiative in salvation (cf. John 6:37,39,44,65; 17:2,6,9,24), but humans must respond in repentance, faith, obedience, and perseverance.
This text (Eph. 1:4) and Rom. 8:28-30; 9:1-33 are the main NT texts for the doctrine of predestination emphasized by Augustine and Calvin. God chose believers not only to salvation (justification) but also to sanctification (cf. Eph. 1:4; 2:10; Col. 1:12)! This could relate to
our position in Christ (cf. 2 Cor. 5:21)
God’s desire to reproduce His character in His children (cf. Eph. 2:10; Rom. 8:28-29; Gal. 4:19; 1 Thess. 4:3). God’s will for His children is both heaven one day and Christlikeness now!

Paradoxical, isn’t it?

J.

Johann · January 22, 2026, 6:14pm

Well done brother @Brakes

Shalom to you and family.

Mark 8 34 to 35
“Whosoever will come after me…”
Explicit appeal to the will in following Christ.

Luke 9 24
“For whosoever will save his life shall lose it…”
Parallel universal warning.

Luke 12 8
“Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men…”
Again, universal call to allegiance.

John 1 12
“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God.”
Johannine equivalent to whosoever language, defined by reception.

John 3 15
“That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
Directly tied to the lifting up of the Son, cross centered.

John 3 16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Grounded in divine love, executed in giving, received by belief.

John 4 13 to 14
“Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again… but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst.”
Universal invitation contrasted with universal need.

John 6 37
“Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
Functional equivalent, open ended, promise backed by Christ’s authority.

John 11 26
“And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.”
Resurrection life language, explicitly Christological.

Acts 2 21
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Joel applied christologically after the resurrection.

Acts 10 43
“To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”
Peter speaking to Gentiles, intentionally universal.

Romans 9 33
“And whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
Isaiah read through Christ.

Romans 10 11
“For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”

Romans 10 13
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Paul explicitly universalizes the gospel call.

Galatians 3 26
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”
Pauline whosoever logic without the word.

1 Timothy 2 4
“Who will have all men to be saved…”
Divine salvific will stated plainly.

Hebrews 2 9
“That he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
Universal provision language grounded in the cross.

Revelation 22 17
“And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”
Final canonical invitation, post resurrection, no narrowing clauses, no footnotes.

What matters is this.

Every single whosoever text is grounded in something God has already done, election does not cancel invitation, sovereignty does not erase command, and grace never eliminates responsibility. The cross makes the offer real. The resurrection guarantees it is not hollow.

J.

Brakes · January 22, 2026, 6:18pm

As believers, we are chosen to represent Christ throughout our lives. John 15:16 tells us, “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit — fruit that will last — and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.”

We are chosen because of God’s deep love for us. With the election of God, He has chosen us to take His Name out to the people across the world (Matthew 28:18-20). In addition to spreading His name across the world, we are also chosen to bear fruit for God.

This type of fruit is not fruit that you consume, but rather the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Since God has chosen us and dearly loves us, we should extend the same love to others. Believers are representatives of Christ to the lost world.

We are to shine His light to the world as Jesus tells us,

“You are the light of the world*. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead, they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven”* (Matthew 5:14-16).

God has chosen us to help others come to know Him.

When we become believers, God wants us to help others know Him by showing His love in our actions and sharing the gospel. If you are reading this today, know that God chose you and He dearly loves you.

Even if the world rejects us or we don’t get chosen by someone we admire, God still chooses us and loves us each time. We don’t have to look a certain way or act a certain way in order for God to love us.

The world tells us we must look a certain way or accomplish great feats in our lives in order to be chosen and loved. It doesn’t matter what we look like or what we accomplish in order for God to choose and love us.

Even if you have a bad past, know that God still loves you and chooses you. Paul had a horrific past of persecuting Christians, yet God chose Paul to take His name to the world (Acts 9:15).

In the same way, God chooses us despite our past and He makes us new creations in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). Thus, God chooses us, but we must choose Him too by placing faith in Christ.

Johann · January 22, 2026, 6:24pm

Preach it brother!

J.