Ok, that does not even make any kind of sense. But I’m way out of time, so have a blessed day.
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Names for Jesus as Lord
The New Testament at times ascribes divinity to Jesus (Rom 9:5; Titus 2:13; 2 Pet 1:1), and therefore His names can also be considered a name of God (Hurtado Lord Jesus Christ; Bauckham, Jesus; Harris, Jesus as God). “Jesus” itself stems from the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous), which comes from the Hebrew יֵשׁוּעַ (yeshua’), meaning “salvation.” A name with a comparable connotation is Emmanuel, meaning “God is with us” (עִמָּנוּאֵל, immanu’el; Matt 1:23; Isa 7:14). The Johannine texts also speak of Jesus as God (John 20:28) and Lord (Kyrios; Lincoln “God’s Name“; Roekema, “Jesus”). The term Kyrios is used for Jesus in 1 Cor 11:23 and 11:32. In addition, the early Christian creed “Jesus is Lord” (ὁ κύριος Ἰησοῦς, ho kyrios Iēsous) found in Paul’s letters suggests an allusion to Kyrios also (especially the early creedal statement Maranatha, meaning “Our Lord Come” in 1 Cor 16:22; Kelly, Early Christian Creeds).
The New Testament also ascribes divine prerogatives to Jesus. For example, He is portrayed as forgiving sins (Mark 2:1–12; Luke 7:48), being preexistent (John 1:1–18; Rom 8:3; 1 Cor 10:4; Gal 4:4; Phil 2:6), and worthy of being worshiped (John 5:22–23; Rev 5:1–14). Dunn points out that it is unclear at what time such thoughts developed about Jesus, but they are undoubtedly a part of the texts as they exist today (for critical views of this process, see Dunn, Christology; “Did the First Christians”; Ehrman, How Jesus Became God).
As with the names of God, many of Jesus’ names reveal His character or role. For example, Jesus as “the Lamb of God” points to the early understanding of His person as a sacrifice (John 1:29; Rev 12:11). Furthermore, in the New Testament the name of Jesus itself can be understood as alluding to His perceived divinity (Ruck-Schröder, Name Gottes). In this context, Jesus’ name takes on a number of technical functions:
• In Jesus’ name there is salvation, a claim that ties him directly to the saving God of the Hebrew Bible (Acts 4:12).
• At the “name of Jesus” every knee shall bow (Phil 2:10; compare Isa 45:23–24).
• The name of Jesus stands for the salvation He offers (1 Cor 6:11).
• Believers in turn bear Christ’s name (Acts 11:26), being baptized into “his name” (Acts 10:48; Hartmann, Into the Name).
• When believers act in “his name,” they participate in his authority (Acts 3:6; 1 Cor 5:4; 2 Thess 3:6, Jas 5:14; 3 John 1:7; Twelftree, In the Name of Jesus).
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Servant 1 -AMEN !! Israel as we know it as a land was not officially declared until 1948. God rose up the Gentiles to provoke the Jews to jealousy. The Jewish people indeed have a rich legacy in God, the former glory and the power of God. But sadly without Jesus, all they have is a wailing wall.
Teaching a trinity calls Jesus and Paul liars. Jesus said-The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD( John 17:3)–Paul warns all other gods are false and names only the Father as God( 1Cor 8:5-6)–When ones teachers do not match them–RUN FROM THEM. Your bibles are altered=100% fact.
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not hold to historic orthodox Christianity, @Servant1. Positions that depart from the core doctrines historically confessed by the church fall outside that orthodoxy and are generally regarded as sectarian/cults.
I also noticed that you have not addressed the arguments presented by the Trinitarians here.
J.
Wrong. Jesus Himself called Himself God several times. As Johann pointed out, we see the Word call Him God several times. Paul did indeed say there is no other God. Meaning Jesus is the only. Who is calling Jesus and Paul liars?
This is interesting. First, I already disproved this. Second? Before JW used various versions, such as the King James Version or the American Standard Version. They produced their own translation to align more closely with their specific theological views.
The most significant shift was the systematic placement of the name “Jehovah” in the New Testament. Most scholars note that the name “Jehovah” does not actually appear in any surviving ancient Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. The NWT translators inserted it 237 times.
Then you have the major revision in 2013. This is often referred to as the “Silver Bible” because of its grey cover. It was a massive overhaul of the 1984 edition, where they moved away from “Bible English” toward contemporary, conversational English. For example, “long-suffering” became "patience.
While not fully gender-neutral, they adjusted certain terms. For instance, “fatherless boy” was often changed to “orphan” or “fatherless child” to be more inclusive. Some verses were rephrased to clarify their specific doctrines. For example, in John 1:1, they maintain the rendering “the Word was a god” (lower case ‘g’), which distinguishes Jesus from Almighty God, which is completely incorrect. So you may want to rethink hanging your argument on the idea that the Bible was altered. That was proven wrong by the vast amounts of documentation discovered.
Before 1947, the oldest complete Hebrew manuscript of the Old Testament was the Masoretic Text, dating to around 1000 AD. These scrolls, found in the Qumran caves, date from 250 BC to 68 AD. When scholars compared the Dead Sea Scrolls to the Masoretic Text (produced 1,000 years later), they were stunned. The texts were nearly identical. For example, the Great Isaiah Scroll matched the modern version with over 95% accuracy; the remaining 5% consisted primarily of minor spelling variations and “slips of the pen” that did not change any meaning or doctrine. You have the Rylands Library Papyrus, which was discovered in Egypt in 1920. This tiny fragment of the Gospel of John is dated to approximately 125–150 AD. Because it dates to within just a few decades of the original Gospel of John’s likely date of composition, it serves as a “time bridge.” It proves that the New Testament was already circulating far and wide very early on and that the text we have today matches what was being read in the 2nd century. We also have the “Great Uncials” (4th Century AD). Two massive, nearly complete Greek Bibles survive from the 4th century: Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. These provide a full look at the Bible as it existed shortly after the Roman Empire legalized Christianity. While they contain minor regional variations (textual variants), they confirm that the structure and content of the Bible have remained consistent for over 1,700 years.
I would go on, but I doubt you would even care. Even in the face of the evidence and truth, you seem to have already made up your mind.
Peter
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You continue to believe those in darkness-Israel NEVER served the true God as a trinity, because he is not. Trinitys tell you they did. they live in darkness.
Says the one living in delusion. You have been refuted at every step, proven wrong time and time again. At this point, you are only repeating yourself.
*Pat-Pat*
Good parrot!
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Then explain to all why your religions outright refuse to put Gods name back where he wants it and Jesus wants it in over 7000 places? All who live now to do Jesus’ Fathers will want his name in his bible. Its been proven the name belongs=Every spot of OT where GOD or LORD is and over 200 spots in NT where OT spots are quoted. Thus in light of Jesus’ important truth in the Lords prayer where he shows his Fathers name is the #1 issue for all involved. The divine name kjv( 2015) put Gods name back. I have the 3 sources they used that proves where it belongs. Satan wants it kept out. Religions in darkness wants it kept out. They give support to satans will over Jesus’ Fathers will( Matt 7:21) on that important matter-Why-They are religions of darkness.
Do you understand history? Not a dig, simply asking. The removal wasn’t a modern conspiracy; it started centuries before Jesus was born.
Ancient Jewish tradition developed a deep “reverence” for the name. To avoid even the possibility of taking God’s name in vain, aka breaking the Third Commandment, they stopped pronouncing it altogether.
Whenever a reader came across YHWH, they would say Adonai (Lord) instead. When the Hebrew Bible was translated into Greek around 200 BC, the translators followed this tradition and replaced YHWH with the Greek word Kyrios (Lord).
Why do modern “religions” continue to keep it out? Most modern Bible committees (NIV, ESV, NASB, KJV) use a tradition-based justification that many people, like yourself, find frustrating. They argue that because the New Testament writers (and Jesus himself, when quoting the Old Testament in Greek) used “Lord,” they should follow that pattern.
Most Bibles use a code. If you see “LORD” in all capital letters, it is the translators admitting, “The name YHWH is actually here in the Hebrew, but we changed it to ‘Lord’ to match tradition.” Because ancient Hebrew didn’t use vowels, scholars debate whether it should be pronounced Yahweh or Jehovah. Some committees argue that since we aren’t 100% sure of the original pronunciation, “Lord” is a safer title.
Did Jesus want it there? The Argument for the Name: In the “Lord’s Prayer,” Jesus says, “Hallowed be thy name.” You are claiming, I think, that by using the name you cannot hallow or make holy, a name if you refuse to use it or if you hide it behind a title like “Lord.”
Conversely, others point out that in the New Testament, Jesus almost exclusively refers to God as Abba (Father). Jesus was shifting the relationship from a formal, name-based one to a familial one.
You are right to feel that “Lord” is an inaccurate substitute for a personal name. A title is not a name. There are actually several modern translations that have “put the name back,” such as yours, The New World Translation (NWT): Uses “Jehovah” in both the Old and New Testaments.
The Legacy Standard Bible (LSB): Uses “Yahweh” in the Old Testament, and the World English Bible (WEB): Uses “Yahweh.” Another thing that bothers me is that most people have no idea that Jesus’s actual name is “Yeshua.” Should we go back and replace it with such?
Peter
The bible teaches Gods name-YHVH(Jehovah) must be praised, called upon, shared, etc. And the righteous run to that name as a strong tower.
There is no point in continuing this converstation. You are more interested in the delusions of your man-made religion and do not seem to really learn or debate. You ask, I and others answer with scriptures to back it up. You deflect, ignore, and change what you are saying when proven incorrect.
God bless. I hope you come to learn the truth one day before it is too late. May I suggest you start following the Creator and stop following man?
Peter
You all best study Jesus carefully. Tell us all How does God have a God? Tell us all-1Cor 15:24-280 How God is in subjection to his God and Father?
Hey JW... I only have this to say.
BAH!!!
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The answer is simple. We follow the Guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Let’s look at a few Scriptures.
Deuteronomy 10:18-19: “He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the foreigner residing among you, giving them food and clothing. And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt.”
Jeremiah 7: 2-8 “‘Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah who come through these gates to worship the Lord. 3 This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Reform your ways and your actions, and I will let you live in this place. 4 Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!” 5 If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, 6 if you do not oppress the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, 7 then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your ancestors for ever and ever. 8 But look, you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless.
Leviticus 25: 23-24: 23 The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you reside in my land as foreigners and strangers. 24 Throughout the land that you hold as a possession, you must provide for the redemption of the land.
The current Nation of Israel does not own the land. The land belongs to God. And God decides who will inhabit the land. And God does not approve of injustice or innocent blood being slain.
Those who practice evil on the land will be thrown out. Regardless of heritage and blood line. And if the practice of evil becomes great enough, the land itself may even be laid waste.
The current Nation of Israel used the evil action of an evil organization, Hammas, to justify and commit genocide, and this does not fly with God. Evil does not justify Evil. And if these Nations do not learn to make peace, in the Name of Christ, it would only take a few nuclear bombs exchanged between them to decimate the land completely as Scripture says God will do.
The answer is not to rally behind either side but to fill the land with the Holy Spirit. Before a greater count of life is lost.
And just to be clear, I do not personally consider every Jew or every Muslim to be guilty of the same atrocities being done against their fellow man and God, nor do I count everyone as participants or accessories to the evil being done in the Name of God by a few in the same Faith or Bloodline.
But in the current scenario, the consequences of Eye for an Eye, retaliatory, vengeful behavior is that everyone dies. It is better for all of those people, innocent families, to flee until Peace is obtained and this madness ends..
They must choose Christ over Barabas this time, and in so doing, redeem the land by pursuing that Way, that Path, forward. The Path that Saves Souls and Preserves Lives. Embodied by Mercy, Forgiveness, Grace, Kindness, Justice, and LOVE. And all such things of God.
But who will go to them and say, repent of this vengeful behavior? Forgive your enemies and be free of this fate of mutual destruction? Who will say to the children, it is time to come home? Who?
Here is what Jesus told them–Your Father is the devil. They were apostates when Jesus came, and are to this day. All who reject the Messiah have 0 chance.
I need to leave you with the obvious. God does not have a God; God is God, Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But since you do not address any responses with scripture or anything other than deflecting, accusing, and changing the subject, you are not going to learn anything.
Live and learn the truth, my friend, the Truth will set you free.
Peter
One of the most taught truths in the bible= The Father is Jesus’ God–John 20:17, Rev 3:12-2Cor 1:3, Eph 1:3, Col 1:3–1Pet 1:3–Psalm 45:7–1Cor 15:24-28
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As he does not engage in anything but deflecting, accusing, changing the subject, what does that tell you? He is only interested in spreading his false doctrine. It’s what they do. Distract and detract. He isn’t here to learn, just to sew his lies.
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Wellll, That’s just His nature. Jesus washed His Disciples feet. (I don’t know anyone I would do that for). He’s a very humble God and it’s because He is humble and sacrificial that the Father gave Him full Godship?
Jesus calls the Father, God.
John 20:17
**17 **Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.